Bigsoxhurt35 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 We fought back which was nice. Just more of the same bs miscues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 what a horses*** way to end a game, but that's laz diaz for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 Got his pitch on 2-1 and fouled it off. Ballgame. 10-11 since the AS break and they continue proving me right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 f*** Laz Diaz just insert yourself as the star you ahole . MF'er been calling balls strikes on the other side of the plate all night now calls one to end the game on the other side . Damn plate was 24 inches wide tonight with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Cooper has not done a good job with the starting pitching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 8, 2015 -> 07:58 PM) f*** Laz Diaz just insert yourself as the star you ahole . MF'er been calling balls strikes on the other side of the plate all night now calls one to end the game on the other side . Damn plate was 24 inches wide tonight with him. That's bad for baseball. He needs fined for that garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 8, 2015 -> 07:58 PM) Cooper has not done a good job with the starting pitching. Just need to blow up the whole staff and bring in new life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 (edited) The mistakes on the basepath and mental game continue to kill this team... Soto daydreaming (Abreu homer there gives them a 5-3 lead instead of solo homer to make it 7-3 trailing), Jennings more concerned with holding Morales on than getting the hitter out, Melky clowning around all over the field, etc. Edited August 9, 2015 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I just don't get it.. If I'm Robin or Cooper or anyone I'm out there throwing down on that. No way do I just walk out the ball park on that S**** No way. That umpire is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Jose finally plays it smart and lays off a bad pitch and the umpire rings him up. Jose needs to say something.. SOMEONE needs to say something. Will it change the outcome? no but that I what we do.. we just shrug and walk away. That's our energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 QUOTE (L. Ron Paultard @ Aug 8, 2015 -> 09:45 PM) Josh Phegley is playing in a zero-pressure environment and even at his peak, he's a 1-WAR player (not that S-metrics can't be useless in a smaller sample size or can capture the true suckage that is his defense... mind you) As for Avi, again you're mixing everything up. Avi wasn't rushed to the big at all. At a quick glance, Mister Garcia's problems are 2-fold: 1) aformentioned Terrible scouting. Apparently someone told Rick Hahn that Garcia is a top-flight defensive CF.... who can also steal 30 bases with ease... and has Miguel Cabrera's HOF-caliber combination of poise, early pitch-recognition, hand-eye coordination & batspeed. I feel sorry for Hahn, haha. 2) And even with limited upside, Avi could still hit 20-25 HR in the majors because of his natural strength & an all-field line-drive swing. Which is what seem to happen before he tore his shoulder at age 22. When he came back, his mechanics were different. Still got off to a good start in 2015, including an impressive oppo HR against David Price no less. Sure he still needed to learn a lot in terms of plate-discipline & how to "think along with the pitcher".... but he was trending in a positive direction at 23 yo. Then everyone, including the media and fans began to whine how Avi need to pull more of those majestic Gio Stanton type HR to LF. Evidently Garcia took heed. And has been in pull-n-uppercut loopy off-balance swing mode for a couple of months. Numbers tanked big-time. Sure some responsibility is on Avi himself, got greedy, got out of his element. Avi Garcia's mechanics have changed? No one who has watched 2 games of White Sox baseball since 2013 would say that. he's 100% the exact same player he was in 2013 and 2014. He flips the ball constantly the other way. Pitchers aren't used to that from guys who come up so it took a while for his scouting report to get out, but he doesn't pull the ball and therefore he can be beat as long as you don't give him the pitch high and away. His batting average will always stay positive, but it will be a completely empty batting average. Opposite field HR are all he can do - he deserves no credit for those if he's not pulling the ball. He has no way to exploit his own power using his approach. He's the exact same player he was in August 2013 when he piled up bloop hits to right field. He wasn't rushed, but counting on him to contribute as a 23 year old was as dumb as trading away Phegley because he wasn't ready right now or counting on Rodon as a rookie. It's baseball stupid. The same people who said that Avi Garcia is a MLB center fielder said that Josh Phegley could not learn to hit big league pitching or field big league pitching. You indict them for calling Avi a CF and then assume they're right about Phegley being a failure when he's already outperforming what you say he could do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 QUOTE (harkness @ Aug 8, 2015 -> 07:00 PM) I just don't get it.. If I'm Robin or Cooper or anyone I'm out there throwing down on that. No way do I just walk out the ball park on that S**** No way. That umpire is a joke. I'd have to agree since my previous post I sounded like a pissed offed manager going after the ump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 8, 2015 -> 09:03 PM) I'd have to agree since my previous post I sounded like a pissed offed manager going after the ump. It wouldn't change the outcome... but it's one of the many things that drives me crazy about Robin and the rest of them. They just bend over and take it.. Edited August 9, 2015 by harkness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 That ump just wanted the f*** out of there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Ron Paultard Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 8, 2015 -> 08:38 PM) And the end result of the thinking that "We must compete this year and we can't field a below .500 team multiple years in a row" is going to be 4 years below .500 in a row and a team that isn't nearly competitive the next year wihtout a huge FA splurge, again. Because we must compete every year, we've been uncompetitive 3 years in a row. You can't tell me "This team can't afford to be uncompetitive 2 years in a row" when they've been an utter failure 4 of 5 years. They're going to be worse next year in attendance because the foolish fans that bought into the 2015 BS are going to be even more angry because of the 2015 failure. They bought into this bullcrap and the team took advantage of them - how on Earth do we expect them to repeat that mistake next year? We're now going to be in Cleveland Indians attendance territory because we took the people who were interested and flicked them off with the 2015 season. Balta, White Sox while they are technically profitable.... are in big-big trouble overall. You know it and I know it, so why pretend otherwise? We are not the Cubs (thank Allah!), we are not the pre-2004 Red Sox. It's the Land of Bad Options, as it were. I understand that nuance is like cryptonite to an average sports fan, but you seem way smarter than that. You know that even smart GM make bad gambles; you know that things don't work even under ideal circumstances in elite organizations like the St. Louis Cardinals ---- let alone, in a lose-lose situation that a White Sox GM often finds himself in (look back at history going back to 19th century, FCOL) It's either/or, black and white proposition. Multiple seemingly conflicting things can be true at the same time. Was Rick Hahn justified in having hopes for 2015? Almost unanimously baseball experts deemed "yes". I agree. Should Rick Hahn be blamed for this impending disaster regardless of good intentions & solid reasoning? Also yes. Is Rick Hahn alone to blame? Hell no! Kenny's interferring ass should have been gone ages ago. Same for Buddy Bell clown. Same for Doug Laumann, Dwaybe ShaFfer good old-boy "lifer" types sitting on their fat asses. Same for Robin and Mark Parent atrocious excuses for major-league coaches. Same for Todd Steverson who took a team with a fluky 2014 April offensive miracle and managed to only a year later to make it a HISTORICALLY bad offense drawing comparisons with 1964 NY Mets, ZOMG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 QUOTE (harkness @ Aug 8, 2015 -> 07:04 PM) It wouldn't change the outcome... but it's one of the many things that drives me crazy about Robin and the rest of them. They just bend over and take it.. Yea when you're pissed off about how your own team plays might as well take it out on the ump who was as crappy as the Sox were. At least shows your guys you give a damn about them. Inspire them, lead them , let them know you're not going to take s*** laying down and you 100% have their backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 8, 2015 -> 08:08 PM) Yea when you're pissed off about how your own team plays might as well take it out on the ump who was as crappy as the Sox were. At least shows your guys you give a damn about them. Inspire them, lead them , let them know you're not going to take s*** laying down and you 100% have their backs. That's not in Robins nature. Won't help this team. They're pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 (edited) I seriously grab Abreu and say come with me this guy owes you an apology... don't say anything just come with me. I would have then demanded he apologize only with a lot of swear words... the umpire would prob just walk away but I would berate him.. Just to show my guy I'm going to stand up for him. Edited August 9, 2015 by harkness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 told my buddy about Laz Diaz and he went off on how bad he is.. and my buddy is a giants fan. This guy sucks a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 4.31 starting pitcher ERA. Not good. Royals are a little worse, but they do everything better than the Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I believe Laz was the worst rated ump last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 My only thought is that Robin thinks being nice to the umpires means they will give you more calls... I've watched enough Tom Izzo to know that it doesn't work that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 9, 2015 -> 03:14 AM) 4.31 starting pitcher ERA. Not good. Royals are a little worse, but they do everything better than the Sox. For a team that's supposed to be built around their starting pitching, it's been a total flop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Ron Paultard Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 8, 2015 -> 09:03 PM) Avi Garcia's mechanics have changed? No one who has watched 2 games of White Sox baseball since 2013 would say that. he's 100% the exact same player he was in 2013 and 2014. He flips the ball constantly the other way. Pitchers aren't used to that from guys who come up so it took a while for his scouting report to get out, but he doesn't pull the ball and therefore he can be beat as long as you don't give him the pitch high and away. His batting average will always stay positive, but it will be a completely empty batting average. Opposite field HR are all he can do - he deserves no credit for those if he's not pulling the ball. He has no way to exploit his own power using his approach. He's the exact same player he was in August 2013 when he piled up bloop hits to right field. He wasn't rushed, but counting on him to contribute as a 23 year old was as dumb as trading away Phegley because he wasn't ready right now or counting on Rodon as a rookie. It's baseball stupid. The same people who said that Avi Garcia is a MLB center fielder said that Josh Phegley could not learn to hit big league pitching or field big league pitching. You indict them for calling Avi a CF and then assume they're right about Phegley being a failure when he's already outperforming what you say he could do. Not so much the mechanics or the batting stance, but the APPROACH itself. He is getting blown away on 88 mph fastballs that he used to hit to RF because his stance is now stiff; his timing & confidence have gone to s***; there is a pronounced hitch, then his head comes off the ball when it's barely half-way to home plate + the plane of the swing is less level. If you notice, on some swings it looks like Avi doesn't even start his swing until the ball already hits the catcher's mitt. Incidentally, Gordon Beckham has had that problem for years, as have many other flame-outs. It's a subtle difference, but in a sport where famously less than 50 milliseconds are the difference between a HR and just a loud out.... any unnatural hitch or hesitation or change in swing plane ---- and boom, you fail. Perhaps you are not sure what you are looking for in a swing. I OTOH, am pretty sure. Avi Garcia at his best, doesn't just slap the ball to opposite field, but he effortless drives the ball. The operating logic by Sox scouts was that one he completely filled out through his early-mid 20s' + built up sufficient knowledge of opposing pitchers to be able to "sit" on pitches ala every elite slugger knows how to "zone" the ball..... then we would see Avi truly blossom into Miguel Cabrera Lite. And since there are enough hangers thrown in a course of a long baseball season by bad-to-mediocre pitchers, Garcia would still be able to turn on enough of them to become a 30 HR guy ----- even without having elite kind of reaction-time/batspeed. We may laugh at the logic now, but it wasn't entirely baseless at the time. Hell, now that Avi has been thoroughly humbled by reality, he may go back to a shorter, more level stroke, and keeps his head on the ball all the way through. Again, his natural strength is such that he can hit 20+ HR with his eyes closed if only he could make consistent contact again. Then again, same things were said about Viciedo, who had a more explosive swing, so easier said than done, LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Aug 8, 2015 -> 07:11 PM) That's not in Robins nature. Won't help this team. They're pathetic. I'm not sure it's in Robin's nature or not. He may be laid back socially but sports is a different animal and your personality should be fiercely competitive on this level. I was always more of a jerk playing sports than I was in the normal world. Couldn't stand losing period. I'd probably be worse if I made a living at it . Maybe Robin just hasn't gone from cilvilian life and into the war zone very effectively . He's had lots of time to make that adjustment though so he really shouldn't be there any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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