Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I think Fred Hoiberg is fine honestly. It was time to move on from Thibs but this is a very flawed roster. These guys just don't look like they enjoy playing with each other and the pieces just don't fit. Gasol and Noah are both in walk years. Taj and Rose are up after next year. I really wish they would tear it all down and move what they can but they are so stubborn and will never do it. It's frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Don't really see how Hoiberg is "fine". The offense is just pitiful now with the same roster, and that's compared to Thibs, who wasn't exactly an offensive mastermind himself. The roster is flawed, but it's always been that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Aside from giving more time to Mcdermott (which, with Dunleavy injured, would have likely happened with Thibs anyway), can anyone point to any criticism of Thibs that Hoiberg has "corrected". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 10:04 AM) Aside from giving more time to Mcdermott (which, with Dunleavy injured, would have likely happened with Thibs anyway), can anyone point to any criticism of Thibs that Hoiberg has "corrected". I think he is playing guys a little less and giving people a little more rest but otherwise they basically look like the same team (just worse on offense) that they were under Thibs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 09:18 AM) I think he is playing guys a little less and giving people a little more rest but otherwise they basically look like the same team (just worse on offense) that they were under Thibs. Are they worse on offense? I know defensively they are worse for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 10:37 AM) Are they worse on offense? I know defensively they are worse for sure. Way worse offensively than they were last year and their offensive efficiency right now is lower than any year under Thibs, even years where he didn't have Rose at all and Butler wasn't a start yet. They were actually 11th in the NBA in offensive efficiency last year with an offensive rating of 107.5. This year they rank 27th right now. They have actually been better on defense so far this year than they were last year though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Also, I'd like to look at offensive stats from november and december from last year. The bulls offense looked really great until McD went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 08:57 AM) Don't really see how Hoiberg is "fine". The offense is just pitiful now with the same roster, and that's compared to Thibs, who wasn't exactly an offensive mastermind himself. The roster is flawed, but it's always been that way. They don't have like any players that fit what he wants to do offensively. Bottom line is, regardless of the coach, this team isn't a contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I think they should just tear it down and let Hoiberg been in charge of everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 08:08 AM) GarPax need t be considered the Executives of the Year in the NBA. Their clear vision that the reason the Bulls were falling short was a guy many were fooled into believing was a good coach was really incredible. Who would have thought bringing back an almost identical roster would result in so much better results just by swapping out a coach who fooled people into believing he had a clue? He ran Jimmy Butler into the ground. The Mayor has him playing an entire minute less per game now. That will probably extend his effectiveness in his career at least a few seasons. God bless GarPax. They have it all figured out. Agreed. I'm glad Gar Forman's lenghtly head coach search narrowing it down to "the only person on the planet who respects Gar Forman" and hiring him has made such incredible differences in the play of the Chicago Bulls. But hey, at least the players love Hoiberg since he doesn't hold anyone accountable. Rose looooooooooooooooves him so much. Oh man, the dark, sad days of 20-win basketball are not too far away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 10:08 AM) They don't have like any players that fit what he wants to do offensively. Bottom line is, regardless of the coach, this team isn't a contender. Which is the sign of a great coach, forcing players into an offensive scheme that doesn't work for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 11:01 AM) Which is the sign of a great coach, forcing players into an offensive scheme that doesn't work for them. Maybe they should fire him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 11:08 AM) They don't have like any players that fit what he wants to do offensively. Bottom line is, regardless of the coach, this team isn't a contender. What players does he need to fit his offense? This roster isn't a title contender and it is not an amazing offensive roster but there is no way they should be as bad as they are on that end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 IMO they need to try benching Rose and letting him dominate 2nd units. This team plays 100% better when Butler is the alpha dog and carries the team. When Rose is in, Butler becomes passive. Gasol has regressed this year. His defense has been atrocious. Noah still isn't an offensive threat (other than with the pass). Taj isn't a 30/min a night type of player. Snell is terrible. Niko is pretty average if he isn't hitting shots. The only bright spot is McBuckets gets more and more legit each game. I'm not sure why he isn't averaging more minutes. He played 26 last night. Why isn't he over 30 consistently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 11:20 AM) What players does he need to fit his offense? This roster isn't a title contender and it is not an amazing offensive roster but there is no way they should be as bad as they are on that end. I absolutely agree but honestly, who cares? This roster has needed a huge overhaul forever and it never happens. Until that happens we're stuck and just to be clear, I'm not ready to give up on Fred after 20 games but he's certainly been bad so far. Edit: yeesh, that post was all over the place. Edited December 10, 2015 by Rowand44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 12:29 PM) I absolutely agree but honestly, who cares? This roster has needed a huge overhaul forever and it never happens. Until that happens we're stuck and just to be clear, I'm not ready to give up on Fred after 20 games but he's certainly been bad so far. Edit: yeesh, that post was all over the place. I'm not giving up on Hoiberg yet either. I've just been pointing out that the offensive bump we were sold that we would see hasn't been there at all and the offense looks worse than it did under Thibs. Edited December 10, 2015 by whitesoxfan99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gooch Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 On the radio today, a caller called in to 670 and compared Hoiberg to Trestman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 We're not even running his offense. Opening tip-off, vs Cleveland, the first few plays were easily identifiable as a new offense. They've really strayed away from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 04:59 PM) We're not even running his offense. Opening tip-off, vs Cleveland, the first few plays were easily identifiable as a new offense. They've really strayed away from that. The players said they wanted to run plays from last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 05:13 PM) The players said they wanted to run plays from last year. Well that's just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (The Gooch @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 04:30 PM) On the radio today, a caller called in to 670 and compared Hoiberg to Trestman. He is nowhere near that level. It is the GarPax arrogance that chaps my ass. They act like they have done their job putting together a championship roster, and pin the lack of a trophy on the coach. Then prop up the Mayor as the savior, when they bring back the same roster except Nazr is gone and Portis gets to sit on the bench and watch games. And the results are the same or worse. This isn't a roster getting used to playing with each other. Coaching obviously wasn't the problem, and it probably isn't a problem now. You need the horses,a nod they are so afraid to change it up even when it is obvious they are short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Clippers are a mess like us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (Brian @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 09:06 PM) Clippers are a mess like us. Their bench is f***ing awful and Mbah A Moute may be the worst starter in the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Ugh hoiberg But I just can't get behind wanting to "blow it up" when these players and this team as currently constructed can and should get to the conference finals at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 05:13 PM) The players said they wanted to run plays from last year. Where was that? I saw where they said they liked the freedom of this years system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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