Kyyle23 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 11:26 AM) I realize the Bulls are cheap, but does Hoiberg get a 2nd year? Honestly, this is a disaster. Yes, there are injuries, but they don't even play. Someone has to lose their job for this season. Do you honestly think the front office will swallow 20M one year after they swallowed 10m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 09:28 AM) Do you honestly think the front office will swallow 20M one year after they swallowed 10m? No...but I honestly think everything about this season has been an epic disaster. Like epic. Reality is Gar will go and I am not one to push a coach out quick, but my gawd, I see nothing positive out of Hoiberg other than he's a nice guy. Nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 11:26 AM) I realize the Bulls are cheap, but does Hoiberg get a 2nd year? Honestly, this is a disaster. Yes, there are injuries, but they don't even play. Someone has to lose their job for this season. Yes Hoiberg will be back. Hopefully they will get some players that fit the system but there's a big problem. Everyone's favorite "superstar" Jimmy Butler doesn't fit what the head coach wants to do either. He's an isolation 2 Guard. I think the most likely scenario is that Gar Forman gets launched and Paxson/Reinsdorf hire a new GM. Not that it really matters but I think that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 09:35 AM) Yes Hoiberg will be back. Hopefully they will get some players that fit the system but there's a big problem. Everyone's favorite "superstar" Jimmy Butler doesn't fit what the head coach wants to do either. He's an isolation 2 Guard. I think the most likely scenario is that Gar Forman gets launched and Paxson/Reinsdorf hire a new GM. Not that it really matters but I think that happens. I figure that is the approach but I don't know that Hoiberg gets a pass after this year. He'll officially be on the hot seat in year two. I just haven't seen anything from him that makes me think he's a good coach at this point. He isn't able to hold people accountable and while Gar deserves blame I don't ignore / not put blame on Hoiberg. He is letting the inmates run the asylum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 The problem is the health is not going to get better next year. How many times the last few years have they been hoping to get everyone healthy by the playoffs? Yeah, right. They can't play 3 games in a row without someone going down, yet when the playoffs start, everything will be fine. Maybe now the injuries are worse. They knew Dunleavy would start the season hurt, and he misses 20% of the seasons anyway. Noah hasn't been healthy in a couple of years. Butler missed time last year, and it's happening again. General Soreness is General Soreness. Noah has been injured for years. Hinrich is always getting hurt. Taj has been able to play, but he usually misses 15 or so games a year, so he's due to go down. If the expectation or hope was that this team would be healthy, that is just an unrealistic expectation. Maybe 3 years ago you could have assumed as much. But coming into this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 11:36 AM) I figure that is the approach but I don't know that Hoiberg gets a pass after this year. He'll officially be on the hot seat in year two. I just haven't seen anything from him that makes me think he's a good coach at this point. He isn't able to hold people accountable and while Gar deserves blame I don't ignore / not put blame on Hoiberg. He is letting the inmates run the asylum. I don't really think much of Hoiberg as a coach if we need to trade our best player to fit his system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Gar created this asylum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 09:56 AM) I don't really think much of Hoiberg as a coach if we need to trade our best player to fit his system. Hoiberg created the issue to get walked on when he benched the teams leader and than was afraid to call out its best player to get in line and run the appropriate offensive system. Everyone is in it for themselves and the reality is, this started a year ago when Gar reportedly gave everyone the authority to start walking on Thibs (because he was a goner) and it got even worse when Hoiberg came in and failed to put things under control. At this point, a new GM absolutely has to be in here, but it is going to take new players for Hoiberg to have any chance at taking things back over (or he's going to have to do something). And I agree, you could never have expected this team to be continually healthy but this is beyond what any of us could have expected from a health perspective and the front office believed it had the depth to withstand it and it might have if they at least did something remotely interesting with the backup PG spot (instead of just bringing back Brooks). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 09:57 AM) Gar created this asylum As soon as he gave the indication that the players didn't have to listen to Thibs, he undermined everything the Bulls had built (if those reports are in fact true). The worse part in all of this is, somehow, JR will be loyal and Gar will still be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 12:03 PM) Hoiberg created the issue to get walked on when he benched the teams leader and than was afraid to call out its best player to get in line and run the appropriate offensive system. Everyone is in it for themselves and the reality is, this started a year ago when Gar reportedly gave everyone the authority to start walking on Thibs (because he was a goner) and it got even worse when Hoiberg came in and failed to put things under control. At this point, a new GM absolutely has to be in here, but it is going to take new players for Hoiberg to have any chance at taking things back over (or he's going to have to do something). And I agree, you could never have expected this team to be continually healthy but this is beyond what any of us could have expected from a health perspective and the front office believed it had the depth to withstand it and it might have if they at least did something remotely interesting with the backup PG spot (instead of just bringing back Brooks). That's a good point, and one of the reason Thibs gets as far as he does with players. Thibs would have never sold out to tell the media that he discussed noah on bench. He wouldn't have put Noah in the position to undercut his value. Jimmy would have been on bench if he wasn't doing the system. It would have never came out why, either. He never sold out players publicly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted March 2, 2016 Author Share Posted March 2, 2016 So it looks like Butler may return on Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 12:04 PM) As soon as he gave the indication that the players didn't have to listen to Thibs, he undermined everything the Bulls had built (if those reports are in fact true). The worse part in all of this is, somehow, JR will be loyal and Gar will still be here. You keep saying this, do you have proof this happened? What are you basing this on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 10:34 AM) You keep saying this, do you have proof this happened? What are you basing this on? I don't remember where it was, but DA referenced an article from someone (might have been Cowley, might have been Cowley plus someone else) a couple of pages back, but the commentary indicated Gar had and some other commentary indicated that Gar and Pax had both done so. There have been other hints / smoke around this as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I feel that rookie coaches for veteran teams usually do not end well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 10:43 AM) I feel that rookie coaches for veteran teams usually do not end well... The unfortunate thing is, I feel for Hoiberg, I think he walked into a disaster of a situation and I'd imagine if he had a time machine, he'd have handled things slightly different from the start (to put his stamp and overall control on things). If I had a time machine, I'd go back, get a JR costume and can Gar just before he could get rid of Ron Adams (and have Thibs pull Rose a minute earlier in that Philly game)...oh and of course buy some winning powerballs so that when I got back to the future, I could buy my favorite franchises and than read posts on Soxtalk about people b****ing about ownership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 12:34 PM) You keep saying this, do you have proof this happened? What are you basing this on? Cowley, Aschburner, and Seku Smith have all referred to it in various interviews(and articles, in Cowleys case) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 12:48 PM) The unfortunate thing is, I feel for Hoiberg, I think he walked into a disaster of a situation and I'd imagine if he had a time machine, he'd have handled things slightly different from the start (to put his stamp and overall control on things). If I had a time machine, I'd go back, get a JR costume and can Gar just before he could get rid of Ron Adams (and have Thibs pull Rose a minute earlier in that Philly game)...oh and of course buy some winning powerballs so that when I got back to the future, I could buy my favorite franchises and than read posts on Soxtalk about people b****ing about ownership I dont feel bad for him at all. It isnt like what happened last year and what is happening this year was a secret. He thought he could handle this and was the right guy to fix it(as did Gar), and he was wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I wouldn't mind giving Hoiberg another year. It's not like the Donovan situation where he's had a full roster, few injuries and he makes boneheaded decisions. Hoiberg just isn't getting wins and the team plays without energy. Sure, he gets part of the blame for that, but he's not the sole reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 11:11 AM) I wouldn't mind giving Hoiberg another year. It's not like the Donovan situation where he's had a full roster, few injuries and he makes boneheaded decisions. Hoiberg just isn't getting wins and the team plays without energy. Sure, he gets part of the blame for that, but he's not the sole reason. 30 years since the Bulls gave up 100 points this many times in a row. Defense isn't about talent, it is about effort and coaching. We have failed miserably in critical areas, which are damning to players on the roster, but also damning to the coach. I laughed at the Trestman comparison's earlier in the year, but its getting comical how bad things are. All I hear is players talk in soft tones, with exception of Taj. All talk, no action, 2016 Bulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 01:16 PM) 30 years since the Bulls gave up 100 points this many times in a row. Defense isn't about talent, it is about effort and coaching. We have failed miserably in critical areas, which are damning to players on the roster, but also damning to the coach. I laughed at the Trestman comparison's earlier in the year, but its getting comical how bad things are. All I hear is players talk in soft tones, with exception of Taj. All talk, no action, 2016 Bulls. I'm sure Hoiberg expected to be playing a rookie and two end of the bench guys as starters. I mean let's look at this stuff in context. It's not like he doesn't understand they suck on the defensive end. He's been complaining about it all season. But what's he to do if the Bulls don't play defense? Sub guys? With who? They have no depth. The comparison to Trestman fails because Trestman also became an embarrassment for the franchise with the way he handled a lot of the day to day things as well as big roster things (like benching Cutler). I've watched a lot of the Bulls games this season and I've never really seen Hoiberg do any of those things. I fully supported his pre-season idea of sending Noah to the bench. What else has their been besides some little things here or there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 01:11 PM) I wouldn't mind giving Hoiberg another year. It's not like the Donovan situation where he's had a full roster, few injuries and he makes boneheaded decisions. Hoiberg just isn't getting wins and the team plays without energy. Sure, he gets part of the blame for that, but he's not the sole reason. F*ck that. Fire his ass, murder Paxson, and let's get some folks in here who didn't recently graduate from Clown College. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 01:38 PM) F*ck that. Fire his ass, murder Paxson, and let's get some folks in here who didn't recently graduate from Clown College. Name some replacements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Jenks of "what is the coach supposed to do?" reminded me that there are very few actually good basketball coaches, and it's very frustrating we let one get away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 01:41 PM) Name some replacements. Not my job. But I can damn-well tell you there's guys out there who can/should do a better job for the CHICAGO f*cking BULLS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 01:46 PM) Jenks of "what is the coach supposed to do?" reminded me that there are very few actually good basketball coaches, and it's very frustrating we let one get away shoved one out the door in favor of a man who's never achieved anyone's pet project. fixed to explain the GGOTB "Gar Grip on the Bulls". F*ck this s*** team. AND THEN THEY HAD THE AUDACITY TO REJECT A DEAL THAT WOULD HAVE GUARANTEED THEM SACRAMENTO'S PICK TO KEEP BUILDING BLOCK, 36-YEAR OLD PAU AROUND. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxsoxsoxsox Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) TAJ out HAMMY (Bairstow starting LOL) Mirotic still 1-2 weeks away JIMMAY could return Saturday or Monday Snell fined for missing team flight to Orlando lol per KCJohnson Edited March 3, 2016 by buhbuhburrrrlz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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