Brian Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 I think the Bulls are so far below other Chicago teams, they don't even belong in a front office rankings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 QUOTE (ozzfest @ Mar 27, 2016 -> 01:41 AM) I got absolutely demolished on this board for posting my Chicago Front Office Rankings. I put the Bulls FO last behind the Blackhawks, Cubs, Bears, and Sox. Those rankings look pretty accurate now don't they? Also, I wonder where all the people are who were hating on my "The Bulls' biggest problem is John Paxson and Gar Forman" thread. The Paxson apologists have nothing else to say. Out of excuses for a mediocre player who made a couple of clutch shots riding the coattails of the greatest of all time. 15+ years of mediocre/garbage basketball. Can't wait for White Sox baseball to start up in a few weeks... You got blasted because you kept repeating the same stupid bulls*** and bumping your thread so you could repeat it again. Nobody cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share Posted March 27, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Mar 26, 2016 -> 06:02 PM) Bulls literally have 0 excuse of losing tonight. Vucevic, Oladipo, and ilyasova are not playing tonight. Also, Orlando on the 2nd half of a back to back lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 27, 2016 -> 10:02 AM) You got blasted because you kept repeating the same stupid bulls*** and bumping your thread so you could repeat it again. Nobody cares You know, like posting it again now, for example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 So I gotta go for this after the last week: There is zero reason why Fred Hoiberg should coach the Chicago Bulls next fall. He may be a better coach than this, he may be a better coach elsewhere, he could turn into the next Pop somewhere else and I will still think that dropping him now is the right call. As he was the handpicked choice of management, if removing management is necessary to accomplish this step, then I am similarly ok with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 27, 2016 -> 01:04 PM) So I gotta go for this after the last week: There is zero reason why Fred Hoiberg should coach the Chicago Bulls next fall. He may be a better coach than this, he may be a better coach elsewhere, he could turn into the next Pop somewhere else and I will still think that dropping him now is the right call. As he was the handpicked choice of management, if removing management is necessary to accomplish this step, then I am similarly ok with that. Dumping guys 1 year into a 5 year contract doesn't happen very often. The CSN beat guy, I think is name is Vincent Goodwill, is pretty blunt for a beat guy. He told Garfien when they were 22-12 that storm clouds were developing and he wouldn't be surprised if they didn't make the playoffs. He was on Sportstalk Live a couple of weeks ago and said the Bulls players simply don't like playing with each other. Last night's game had to be about as embarrassing as any since they became relevant again. But missing the playoffs may cause change. Yeah, they laid down at the end of the series vs. the Cavs last year, but they were going to lose that anyway. Not making the playoffs causes a lot of cash not to flow into the Bulls' bank accounts. I would imagine there will be a sacrificial lamb. Not Hoiberg, they owe him too much money. Not Pax, he's the Bulls KW. Logic says Gar , which he deserves. Someone is going to pay, but they have to adjust the roster significantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 I agree with balta but also agree with Dick, there is simply no way that Hoiberg will be fired one year in. They aren't gonna be paying three head coaches at once next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 27, 2016 -> 01:22 PM) Dumping guys 1 year into a 5 year contract doesn't happen very often. The CSN beat guy, I think is name is Vincent Goodwill, is pretty blunt for a beat guy. He told Garfien when they were 22-12 that storm clouds were developing and he wouldn't be surprised if they didn't make the playoffs. He was on Sportstalk Live a couple of weeks ago and said the Bulls players simply don't like playing with each other. Last night's game had to be about as embarrassing as any since they became relevant again. But missing the playoffs may cause change. Yeah, they laid down at the end of the series vs. the Cavs last year, but they were going to lose that anyway. Not making the playoffs causes a lot of cash not to flow into the Bulls' bank accounts. I would imagine there will be a sacrificial lamb. Not Hoiberg, they owe him too much money. Not Pax, he's the Bulls KW. Logic says Gar , which he deserves. Someone is going to pay, but they have to adjust the roster significantly. I agree with everything here. Goodwill is pretty good on the Bulls beat because he is so honest, it's refreshing. If GarPax is somehow back next year, he needs to blow it up. Like Dick said, these players don't like playing with each other and that is so evident. Rose and Butler can't play with each other, and I don't think Butler likes to play with Gasol. It's all a huge cluster f***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Think there's a decent chance Gasol bolts to somewhere such as the Clippers in the off-season now also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Mar 27, 2016 -> 05:04 PM) Think there's a decent chance Gasol bolts to somewhere such as the Clippers in the off-season now also. The Bulls will have plenty of cap space to work with as long as they don't do anything as silly as signing Gasol for part of it, but as of right now I can no longer convince myself that even Durant turns this team into a title contender. And there's seemingly no way they'll work to turn Rose or Taj or Mirotic into additional players or draft picks, they'll go sign someone like Gasol to be that "last piece", then patch over the rest with low salary signings that occasionally are good or ok but don't make the difference. That's their way, the conservative way - never rebuild, no steps back. Then Mirotic, Taj, and Rose will all hit FA and they'll be left with a barren roster because they keep insisting they're competitive when they no longer are. That last line sounds darn familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 the bulls fo needs to blow up the team last yr, that being said, i hope they will do it this yr. bring in new players and start the rebuild. can't do anything with rose's contract. now i am wondering if the players as a group, lost faith in the coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 One thing is obvious. A significant number of players have quit on this season. You have one of two choices. You can blame management, or you can blame the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxsoxsoxsox Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 27, 2016 -> 01:22 PM) Dumping guys 1 year into a 5 year contract doesn't happen very often. Bulls players simply don't like playing with each other. Someone is going to pay, but they have to adjust the roster significantly. can they fire the hitting coach? I wonder if they'll try and move Jimmy Buckets in the off season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 27, 2016 -> 04:38 PM) One thing is obvious. A significant number of players have quit on this season. You have one of two choices. You can blame management, or you can blame the players. I'll blame the management who thought their roster had no holes and double downed on the roster by firing the last coach for a rookie college coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Mar 27, 2016 -> 04:39 PM) can they fire the hitting coach? I wonder if they'll try and move Jimmy Buckets in the off season I think you keep Butler and Rose. You revamp the entire frontcourt though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Mar 27, 2016 -> 09:07 PM) I think you keep Butler and Rose. You revamp the entire frontcourt though. Rose and Butler are the problem. They don't like each other, and they don't play well on the court together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Mar 28, 2016 -> 07:35 AM) Rose and Butler are the problem. They don't like each other, and they don't play well on the court together. Yea your pretty much picking one or the other. Jimmy is better on both sides (as well as better knees) but Rose is still the superstar player when healthy and actually fits Hoiberg's style/system better. Depends if the Bulls ride with Hoiberg long term. Guys like McDermott, Mirotic and Portis for example fit his system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Mar 28, 2016 -> 01:42 PM) Yea your pretty much picking one or the other. Jimmy is better on both sides (as well as better knees) but Rose is still the superstar player when healthy and actually fits Hoiberg's style/system better. Depends if the Bulls ride with Hoiberg long term. Guys like McDermott, Mirotic and Portis for example fit his system. my question, i guess it is rhetorical in a sense, but i can't see bulter dealing with each other. so can they co-exist going forward??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 that isnt rhetorical, thats a pretty straightforward question. I believe they can co-exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 28, 2016 -> 03:13 PM) that isnt rhetorical, thats a pretty straightforward question. I believe they can co-exist well you may be right, i was at an impasse, b/c i thought this was discussed in the past before. but as i see it, as the season is nearing an end, at least for me, i can't see them co-existing. too strong of both personality conflicting. lets me honest, it would need to take a coach like p. jackson or thibs to ride shot gun .... and i don't see the current manager capable of doing that right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Mar 28, 2016 -> 08:42 AM) Yea your pretty much picking one or the other. Jimmy is better on both sides (as well as better knees) but Rose is still the superstar player when healthy and actually fits Hoiberg's style/system better. Depends if the Bulls ride with Hoiberg long term. Guys like McDermott, Mirotic and Portis for example fit his system. I wonder if they'd re-visit a Butler for Oladipo deal in the off-season. Oladipo would probably fit better in Hoiberg's up-tempo offense, and his jump shot has steadily improved from season to season. That said, Orlando has played much more up-tempo as well in the 2nd half of the season also. It's appealing for Orlando because Oladipo probably wants max, and Butler's on a 5/95 deal from memory. Would Chicago do say Butler for Oladipo and the 8th pick in the upcoming draft I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Mar 28, 2016 -> 05:44 PM) I wonder if they'd re-visit a Butler for Oladipo deal in the off-season. Oladipo would probably fit better in Hoiberg's up-tempo offense, and his jump shot has steadily improved from season to season. That said, Orlando has played much more up-tempo as well in the 2nd half of the season also. It's appealing for Orlando because Oladipo probably wants max, and Butler's on a 5/95 deal from memory. Would Chicago do say Butler for Oladipo and the 8th pick in the upcoming draft I wonder? for me, i would rather trade rose than bulter, but the thing is that contract. so in my opinion, i am ready to accept a full rebuild after next yr. that is when rose, taj contract are over. might as well see what assets are wanted by other teams who may want to trade something of real value. whether that is a good young player, or a series of draft picks. it is painful to think about this, but what can we as fans expect in the future of the bulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 QUOTE (LDF @ Mar 28, 2016 -> 01:00 PM) for me, i would rather trade rose than bulter, but the thing is that contract. so in my opinion, i am ready to accept a full rebuild after next yr. that is when rose, taj contract are over. might as well see what assets are wanted by other teams who may want to trade something of real value. whether that is a good young player, or a series of draft picks. it is painful to think about this, but what can we as fans expect in the future of the bulls. Nobody else will want Rose for his contract price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 28, 2016 -> 07:15 PM) Nobody else will want Rose for his contract price. and i am in total agreement. so more or less, the other player to trade for assets will be bulter +. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 So Kyrie Irving finds out on instagram his girlfriend was cheating on him. Rough year for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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