Jose Abreu Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (Boogua @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 08:05 PM) I would group the Heat with the Bulls. McRoberts and Bosh back along with a full offseason with guys like Whiteside and Dragic. Justice Winslow was a steal also. I think the Heat will be pretty good, but their bench is awful compared to ours and Cleveland's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 08:44 PM) I think the Heat will be pretty good, but their bench is awful compared to ours and Cleveland's. Strongly disagree. Last year their bench was awful, this year it's pretty nice. With the problems the Bulls will have defensively, I actually like the Heat and Bucks more. Just for the record, keeping Noah at C would still equal the same defensive problems, that guy is done. Dragic Wade Deng Bosh Whiteside Green McRoberts Winslow Anderson Chalmers Bucks are really long defensively and they use their defense to create their offense. They kinda remind me of the 90s Bulls teams in terms of length Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 07:46 AM) They should have gone before Thibs. We will see. It is really hard to take much out of preseason games, especially when they aren't playing with their entire roster, but it is interesting J G Buckets plays 37 minutes on Monday night then 32 on Tuesday in games that don't count, and not a word about the Mayor running his players into the ground. Thank you. I said it when Thibs was fired and they did nothing in the offseason. By simply firing Thibs and hiring Hoiberg, you are flat out saying, Thibs was the only problem and not roster makeup. If Hoiberg doesn't make it farther, then the target is on your back because you have consistently done nothing to fill the holes, in 12 years you have yet to make a trade which netted you useful talent back, you haven't been able to sign a big time free agent (which means that flexibility bulls*** you keep touting is just that, BS) and you have the same core from 2008 Gibson, Noah, Hinrich, Rose. In the end, they have not taken any risks and the only trades they have done is for cap purposes. I don't know how they've gotten a pass this long, especially Paxson. And it's not like his last few drafts have been great. Edited October 22, 2015 by nitetrain8601 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 11:35 PM) Strongly disagree. Last year their bench was awful, this year it's pretty nice. With the problems the Bulls will have defensively, I actually like the Heat and Bucks more. Just for the record, keeping Noah at C would still equal the same defensive problems, that guy is done. Dragic Wade Deng Bosh Whiteside Green McRoberts Winslow Anderson Chalmers Bucks are really long defensively and they use their defense to create their offense. They kinda remind me of the 90s Bulls teams in terms of length To your last sentence, yes, I like the Bucks too. But come on... that Heat bench is not good at all. Chalmers is trash, Birdman is bad, Winslow is unproven, McRoberts is ok, Green is ok... not even comparable to Brooks/Moore/McDermott/Gibson/Noah. The Bulls, barring major injuries, will definitely be a top-4 seed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 11:40 PM) Thank you. I said it when Thibs was fired and they did nothing in the offseason. By simply firing Thibs and hiring Hoiberg, you are flat out saying, Thibs was the only problem and not roster makeup. If Hoiberg doesn't make it farther, then the target is on your back because you have consistently done nothing to fill the holes, in 12 years you have yet to make a trade which netted you useful talent back, you haven't been able to sign a big time free agent (which means that flexibility bulls*** you keep touting is just that, BS) and you have the same core from 2008 Gibson, Noah, Hinrich, Rose. In the end, they have not taken any risks and the only trades they have done is for cap purposes. I don't know how they've gotten a pass this long, especially Paxson. And it's not like his last few drafts have been great. Nikola? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 07:02 AM) Nikola? Butler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 The Bulls need to waive Kirk Hinrich already. The dude has been washed up for years, yet he still has a roster spot. He's the Bulls equivalent of John Danks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (Mike F. @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 08:15 AM) The Bulls need to waive Kirk Hinrich already. The dude has been washed up for years, yet he still has a roster spot. He's the Bulls equivalent of John Danks. I thought the addition of Hoiberg would cut his minutes significantly. Meaning, no more 20+ minute games from him, but we'll see. I'd like Moore to get his minutes, and I think that's what will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (Mike F. @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 08:15 AM) The Bulls need to waive Kirk Hinrich already. The dude has been washed up for years, yet he still has a roster spot. He's the Bulls equivalent of John Danks. IF Rose could stay healthy, they wouldn't keep bringing back the crutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Gibson wasn't really "core" until 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 08:47 AM) I thought the addition of Hoiberg would cut his minutes significantly. Meaning, no more 20+ minute games from him, but we'll see. I'd like Moore to get his minutes, and I think that's what will happen. I'd much rather have Aaron Brooks or Moore play than Hinrich. Hell, I'd prefer D.J. Augustin to him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 11:40 PM) Thank you. I said it when Thibs was fired and they did nothing in the offseason. By simply firing Thibs and hiring Hoiberg, you are flat out saying, Thibs was the only problem and not roster makeup. If Hoiberg doesn't make it farther, then the target is on your back because you have consistently done nothing to fill the holes, in 12 years you have yet to make a trade which netted you useful talent back, you haven't been able to sign a big time free agent (which means that flexibility bulls*** you keep touting is just that, BS) and you have the same core from 2008 Gibson, Noah, Hinrich, Rose. In the end, they have not taken any risks and the only trades they have done is for cap purposes. I don't know how they've gotten a pass this long, especially Paxson. And it's not like his last few drafts have been great. I'm sorry, but this is kinda laughable. GarPax have been pretty embarrassing at times with their decisions about coaches and player health (if you can pin that on them, which I don't really), but drafting and roster make-up is not one of them. They've earned A's in my book for basically every year. Gibson, Mirotic and Butler were all absolute steals. They "missed" on James Johnson (mid 1st round) and Teague (28th/29th?). They're able to find guys in the late 20's that can play and produce. That's not easy. Thibs needed to go. Plain and simple. They needed a new voice in the locker room. X's and O's don't matter if the players stop listening (and his X's and O's on offense were s***). And rumors were that several players were done with Thibs and wanted him gone. That shouldn't dictate what the Bulls do, necessarily, but it's not a glowing endorsement either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 10:53 AM) I'm sorry, but this is kinda laughable. GarPax have been pretty embarrassing at times with their decisions about coaches and player health (if you can pin that on them, which I don't really), but drafting and roster make-up is not one of them. They've earned A's in my book for basically every year. Gibson, Mirotic and Butler were all absolute steals. They "missed" on James Johnson (mid 1st round) and Teague (28th/29th?). They're able to find guys in the late 20's that can play and produce. That's not easy. Thibs needed to go. Plain and simple. They needed a new voice in the locker room. X's and O's don't matter if the players stop listening (and his X's and O's on offense were s***). And rumors were that several players were done with Thibs and wanted him gone. That shouldn't dictate what the Bulls do, necessarily, but it's not a glowing endorsement either. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 11:53 AM) They "missed" on James Johnson (mid 1st round) and Teague (28th/29th?). They traded Johnson to Toronto for the right to draft Norris Cole who was traded to Minnesota then Miami. That Minnesota deal was gaining the rights to the #23 pic (Mirotic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 670 The Score @670TheScore 2h2 hours ago Derrick Rose hopes to play limited minutes in Bulls' preseason finale tomorrow night: http://cbsloc.al/1jD523W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 K.C. Johnson @KCJHoop Rose, on if he still has double vision at times: "I'm seeing two of you right now." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 04:25 PM) K.C. Johnson @KCJHoop Rose, on if he still has double vision at times: "I'm seeing two of you right now." I seriously hope he's joking this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 In that whole article, I actually thought Rose's quotes were as good as I've heard in years. He seemed pretty on point and in general everything was as if he had a PR guy helping him or he decided he was going to start "caring" what people thought again. Rumor is he just got so tired of all the people questioning him that he decided he just didn't care anymore and wasn't going to put in the effort at these things. I suppose to an extent I can understand that sentiment given how much heat he took for things which only he really knows (in regards to how good he felt and whether he was ready to play, etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 10:53 AM) I'm sorry, but this is kinda laughable. GarPax have been pretty embarrassing at times with their decisions about coaches and player health (if you can pin that on them, which I don't really), but drafting and roster make-up is not one of them. They've earned A's in my book for basically every year. Gibson, Mirotic and Butler were all absolute steals. They "missed" on James Johnson (mid 1st round) and Teague (28th/29th?). They're able to find guys in the late 20's that can play and produce. That's not easy. Thibs needed to go. Plain and simple. They needed a new voice in the locker room. X's and O's don't matter if the players stop listening (and his X's and O's on offense were s***). And rumors were that several players were done with Thibs and wanted him gone. That shouldn't dictate what the Bulls do, necessarily, but it's not a glowing endorsement either. Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 09:26 PM) I agree with basically all of this, but the entire front office could have been let go over Tyrus Thomas/LaMarcus Aldridge. Just want to be fair. Jury's still out on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 10:26 PM) I agree with basically all of this, but the entire front office could have been let go over Tyrus Thomas/LaMarcus Aldridge. Just want to be fair. Basically, it allowed them to move up to get Doug McDermott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Rose's eye looks bad. Not sure it worth playing but you gotta see if he can with it and the mask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxsoxsoxsox Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 23, 2015 -> 07:15 PM) Rose's eye looks bad. Not sure it worth playing but you gotta see if he can with it and the mask. I don't want him to have double vision when he goes to his son's graduation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Oct 23, 2015 -> 08:18 PM) I don't want him to have double vision when he goes to his son's graduation If he plays much longer he will be a crosseyed hunchback with a limp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Dead horse beaten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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