GGajewski18 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Tommy Viola @Tommy_the_V 2h2 hours ago .@KnightsBaseball's Matt Davidson named Best Defensive 3B in the IL by @BaseballAmerica. #congrats This is pretty encouraging reviews, especially from BA. Even though he struggles with contact, if he can still bring power and is good defensively, does he a September call up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Considering they called up Saladino to play 3B instead, I'd say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 06:05 PM) Tommy Viola @Tommy_the_V 2h2 hours ago .@KnightsBaseball's Matt Davidson named Best Defensive 3B in the IL by @BaseballAmerica. #congrats This is pretty encouraging reviews, especially from BA. Even though he struggles with contact, if he can still bring power and is good defensively, does he a September call up? I'd say no because he still can't hit. He does not deserve to be a call up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Wow, he's been in a tailspin offensively. Just a month or so ago he was having a productive season in spite of still-alarming strikeout numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Would we take the kind of numbers from Sanchez in AAA that we are getting from Sanchez? If Davidson truly is a really good defensive 3B all the sudden, and that's all Sanchez is (defense), then wouldn't you prefer Sanchez to be able to drop 20-25 HR a season while playing superb defense? I think the problem is that we are all trained to think of Sanchez as a defense first guy, and any offense is a plus. But maybe we should be seeing Davidson the same way now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 buddy bell was on white sox weekly with Rongey and it pretty much sounds as though the organization has all but given up on him. Next thing bell said they may try to just completely tear his swing down and start all over, essentially a Hail Mary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 QUOTE (daa84 @ Aug 16, 2015 -> 03:14 PM) buddy bell was on white sox weekly with Rongey and it pretty much sounds as though the organization has all but given up on him. Next thing bell said they may try to just completely tear his swing down and start all over, essentially a Hail Mary Maybe the Sox should tear down the player development personnel and start all over, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Aug 16, 2015 -> 09:43 PM) Maybe the Sox should tear down the player development personnel and start all over, too. And their scouting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 16, 2015 -> 03:44 PM) And their scouting they seem to do well with pitching. Maybe they should keep the current ones for pitching and hire new specialists for hitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 16, 2015 -> 10:01 PM) they seem to do well with pitching. Maybe they should keep the current ones for pitching and hire new specialists for hitting. agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Aug 16, 2015 -> 03:43 PM) Maybe the Sox should tear down the player development personnel and start all over, too. It is getting better. Don't forget we have three complete White Sox products added to the roster this year who are contributing, two from the draft, and one from Latin America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 How old was Crede when he came up hitting in the low .200's but had a great glove? I dont know enough about Davidson to say he is anything close to Crede but he sounds like he is somewhat on the same path as Joe was? Could be totally wrong I admit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 12:59 PM) How old was Crede when he came up hitting in the low .200's but had a great glove? I dont know enough about Davidson to say he is anything close to Crede but he sounds like he is somewhat on the same path as Joe was? Could be totally wrong I admit. Joe always carried a pretty high batting average and was a two time MVP in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I thought he was pretty much a butcher over there. Somewhat encouraging news, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 01:09 PM) Joe always carried a pretty high batting average and was a two time MVP in the minors. Yeah I was just looking over his stats. Joe was at least in the .250+ range throughout his minor league career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Crede was exciting because he was an offensive prospect. Davidson is not Joe Crede. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) If he were even a AAAA hitter, sure whu not? He's cozy again with Mendoza in his 3rd go around in hitters' paradises. Earlier, I'd compared him to the Kub's Olt. He's not even that. Huge scouting failure, and symptomatic of the love affair with BP power displays. Sure hope that's been purged. (can JR purge anything?) We probably would have given up our farm for Gallo, who's going to be a bust. Yeah, I'm surly. Edited August 17, 2015 by Stan Bahnsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Can't believe you'd let the kid play like absolute dogs*** for two straight years before even considering making big changes to his swing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 18, 2015 -> 12:36 AM) Can't believe you'd let the kid play like absolute dogs*** for two straight years before even considering making big changes to his swing He is just a bad hitter. I doubt anyone has ever turned it around to be a productive MLB player after hitting as poorly as he has the last two years repeating AAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 06:44 PM) He is just a bad hitter. I doubt anyone has ever turned it around to be a productive MLB player after hitting as poorly as he has the last two years repeating AAA. He showed alot of flashes in Arizona's system though. It's amazing how bad he looks now compared to his AA + AAA + brief big league stint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 07:44 PM) He is just a bad hitter. I doubt anyone has ever turned it around to be a productive MLB player after hitting as poorly as he has the last two years repeating AAA. Something did change when he got traded to us, though. He was flawed when we got him to be sure, but he regressed majorly while repeating a level and in ways that aren't league dependent (contact rate). When we traded for him, there was no good reason to think he wouldn't stick as a major league player, even if there were reasonable doubts as to whether he'd be a long-term starting caliber player. I don't know if he's got some mental stuff going as some suggested, or he's had some sort of physical regression, or he just caught some of the White Sox black magic that makes perfectly okay players forget how to hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I could possibly see him up since as of now, we only have one backup IF. Garcia probably gets called up Sept 1 along with Micah though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 06:36 PM) Can't believe you'd let the kid play like absolute dogs*** for two straight years before even considering making big changes to his swing I am guessing that is more like Davidson not wanting to change his swing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 06:36 PM) Can't believe you'd let the kid play like absolute dogs*** for two straight years before even considering making big changes to his swing This isn't accurate. I can tell you without a doubt that he had a different approach and swing early this year, versus 2014. Saw it myself, talked with him about it, talked with a scout about it. At least in May anyway, he was aiming RCF, had changed his hands in his stance and stride, changed his location in the box. And it occasionally flashed success, but now he's either slid back into bad habits, and/or pitchers have the book on him and he can't adjust. Changes were made. They haven't worked. Happens a lot, sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 18, 2015 -> 09:04 AM) This isn't accurate. I can tell you without a doubt that he had a different approach and swing early this year, versus 2014. Saw it myself, talked with him about it, talked with a scout about it. At least in May anyway, he was aiming RCF, had changed his hands in his stance and stride, changed his location in the box. And it occasionally flashed success, but now he's either slid back into bad habits, and/or pitchers have the book on him and he can't adjust. Changes were made. They haven't worked. Happens a lot, sadly. Glad to hear they were working with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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