Iwritecode Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Aug 13, 2015 -> 09:56 PM) Once the ump said he was out the play was over so there is no way they can overturn that. Did the umps or MLB make a statement about this? I think that's where my confusion is coming from. Either the play should have been overturned or it shouldn't have been review-able in the first place. Yet neither one happened. Unless the decision from NY was that the play couldn't be overturned because the ump called the play dead and took the ball from Flowers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 08:14 AM) I think that's where my confusion is coming from. Either the play should have been overturned or it shouldn't have been review-able in the first place. Yet neither one happened. Unless the decision from NY was that the play couldn't be overturned because the ump called the play dead and took the ball from Flowers? I guess if you really want to stretch it, a case could be made it was inconclusive he tagged him, but that is really a stretch. Guys get called out all the time, yet the review reverses calls. Maybe that one is different, because it caused Flowers not to throw. But what if there were 2 out a man at first and they go to second for the force play while the batter falls down out of the box. The guy isn't on second when the force is called, there still was plenty of time to throw to first but since they called him out they don't bother. Replay shows he missed the bag. Is he still out or are both runners safe? I really think when Flowers was changing the ball and the umpire gave him a new one, that changed everything. I may be wrong. I do hope Flowers just throws it to 1B if that ever happens again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Why wouldn't Mike try to mess with the pitcher a bit if he could? That's not Bush league, it's just smart imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 09:29 AM) Why wouldn't Mike try to mess with the pitcher a bit if he could? That's not Bush league, it's just smart imo. Yeah I didn't understand that. If Robertson yelled, I need a couple of throws, the umpire would have moved him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 08:29 AM) Why wouldn't Mike try to mess with the pitcher a bit if he could? That's not Bush league, it's just smart imo. No one said it wasn't smart. But it is Bush League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 07:25 AM) I do hope Flowers just throws it to 1B if that ever happens again. You're asking a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 02:29 PM) Why wouldn't Mike try to mess with the pitcher a bit if he could? That's not Bush league, it's just smart imo. i 100% agree with you. it's a smart move. there are many moves like that is part of the game. to find a way to take the momentum away from the other team. as someone mention, it falls on both the pitcher and the manager to ask for the extra pitches for a warm up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 09:25 AM) I do hope Flowers just throws it to 1B if that ever happens again. So you want Flowers to throw to 1B after the runner has been called out and the play is dead? That doesn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 08:49 AM) So you want Flowers to throw to 1B after the runner has been called out and the play is dead? That doesn't make sense. No but if there is any reason for him to be uncertain about it, for instance, if the ball bounced and he is not sure he made the tag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (oldsox @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 09:54 AM) No one said it wasn't smart. But it is Bush League. So when is it ok for a manager to argue and when is it not ok? Mike was doing his job, that's not bush league to me. If he was out of line then the ump should have ran him, that's on the umpire, not on Scioscia. But it's baseball and some player is always crying about some type of unwritten rule. Edited August 14, 2015 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asindc Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 12:08 PM) So when is it ok for a manager to argue and when is it not ok? Mike was doing his job, that's not bush league to me. If he was out of line then the ump should have ran him, that's on the umpire, not on Scioscia. But it's baseball and some player is always crying about some type of unwritten rule. While I think unwritten rules are for the most part silly, this is not such a case. Scoscia (sp?) was breaking a written official rule at the time. It's like saying a player is invoking a unwritten rule when he complains that a player pushed him off the base he was standing on and then tagged him and the umpire called him out (happened to Tim Raines in the 93 ALCS against Toronto). Edited August 14, 2015 by asindc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 11:49 AM) So you want Flowers to throw to 1B after the runner has been called out and the play is dead? That doesn't make sense. In the era of replay...it's like keeping the tag on the guy at 2b after he has already slid just in case he comes off the bag. Over-do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 11:08 AM) So when is it ok for a manager to argue and when is it not ok? Mike was doing his job, that's not bush league to me. If he was out of line then the ump should have ran him, that's on the umpire, not on Scioscia. But it's baseball and some player is always crying about some type of unwritten rule. Mike came out after the final decision was made. So go back to the dugout and do your job. Ump should have run him, agreed. He was out there just to be a nuisance. That makes it Bush. I was hoping Flowers would pinch his head off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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