Shark

[beautox]

wasn't the biggest fan of the trade looks worse with how bassit is developing plus the depth in semien and phegley and lets not forget Ravelo. Lets get the QO and move on. we need a C 3b and move beyond laroche. looking forward to what we might have in our youth.

[StrangeSox]

Dude, there is no chance of this happening. Scouts love the arm, someone will give up the pick for him a multi-year deal.

 

[AlSoxfan]

Well I for one was pretty happy with the trade for Shark. I was fooled. Of all the games, he should of been up for this game. I'm very disappointed. Thing is he'll go somewhere and be the pitcher we thought he should be for another team next yr. I guess thats White Sox luck. In any case bye bye, I'd much rather take a chance with someone else. A scary thought...I don't think he's worth the QO and might believe this himself and except the offer. 16 mil. is not chump change and would be a 6 mil. dollar raise.

[LittleHurt05]

Put another star on the Kenny Williams era

[greg775]

Now is the time to sign him. Buy low

Ugh. Hope you are kidding. He's average at best. Somebody will sign him for HUGE bucks in the offseason, though. He's got the name.

 

Why oh why did the Sox not trade him when he was on that roll earlier in the season? They could have gotten so much for him. So scared to make a trade.

[spiderman]

Why should anyone expect Shark to now be interested in signing a long-term deal with the White Sox before entering free agency?

[harkness99]

at the time of the trade deadline he wasn't really doing that great and I'm guessing we weren't getting offered enough.

[LDF]

at the time of the trade deadline he wasn't really doing that great and I'm guessing we weren't getting offered enough.

 

i wouldn't know about that. i think it was too late to get anything of what they thought he was worth.

[Bigsoxhurt35]

They needed to trade Shark in late June/early July for anything good. They waited, team had a mirage 7 game winning streak and there were better option than shark on the market. This wasn't played well but well get the comp pick.

[caulfield12]

If Shark continues to pitch this poorly and ends up with a 5.2-5.4ish ERA, you're taking a no longer inconsideradable risk that he not only ends up back on the Sox for $16 million, but he soaks up the payroll dollars we need to spend on a hitter and he also ends up blocking the progress of the young starting pitchers we'll need to be ready for Opening Day, 2017.

[Sox Fan In Husker Land]

at the time of the trade deadline he wasn't really doing that great and I'm guessing we weren't getting offered enough.

 

He was doing fine just prior to the trade deadline. In his 10 starts prior to the trade deadline he had gone at least 7 innings in every one. In his last 9 starts he had the following line: 68 IP, 54 H, 12 BB, 21 R, 2.78 ERA, 0.97 WHIP, 48 K, 4:1 K:BB, 6.35 K/9. In 3 of his last 5 starts prior to the deadline he went at least 7 2/3 IP and gave up 4 or less Hits and 1 ER or less. He is a very streaky pitcher it seems. Last June prior to being traded to the A's his June looked like this: 1-3 5.45 ERA, 33 IP, 40 H, 20 ER.

 

I will agree with you on the maybe we weren't offered enough, so we said no thanks. I do think some other GM will try to sign him this offseason and we should get a comp pick. If you were Samardzija would you take a 1 year deal at $15 and hope you have a great season or a 4 year deal at $52 total. I know I would take the 4 year deal. If that happens I have no issue that we kept him around if we didn't like the potential return for him as a rental. Is that comp pick worth more than what we gave up to the A's though?

[shysocks]

Is that comp pick worth more than what we gave up to the A's though?

No. Seems like it's worth more than what a team would have given us at the deadline though.

 

[oldsox]

wasn't the biggest fan of the trade looks worse with how bassit is developing plus the depth in semien and phegley and lets not forget Ravelo. Lets get the QO and move on. we need a C 3b and move beyond laroche. looking forward to what we might have in our youth.

But, we got Ynoa. Hahn held out for him.

[LDF]

He was doing fine just prior to the trade deadline. In his 10 starts prior to the trade deadline he had gone at least 7 innings in every one. In his last 9 starts he had the following line: 68 IP, 54 H, 12 BB, 21 R, 2.78 ERA, 0.97 WHIP, 48 K, 4:1 K:BB, 6.35 K/9. In 3 of his last 5 starts prior to the deadline he went at least 7 2/3 IP and gave up 4 or less Hits and 1 ER or less. He is a very streaky pitcher it seems. Last June prior to being traded to the A's his June looked like this: 1-3 5.45 ERA, 33 IP, 40 H, 20 ER.

 

I will agree with you on the maybe we weren't offered enough, so we said no thanks. I do think some other GM will try to sign him this offseason and we should get a comp pick. If you were Samardzija would you take a 1 year deal at $15 and hope you have a great season or a 4 year deal at $52 total. I know I would take the 4 year deal. If that happens I have no issue that we kept him around if we didn't like the potential return for him as a rental. Is that comp pick worth more than what we gave up to the A's though?

 

the question would any of this be discussed if shark help the team make the playoff???

 

i never liked the trade b/c of Bassitt. there were a couple of us that discussed it and felt the same way. but we were not trying to be negative.

 

now the first bold, this one will never be fully explained, but i still think there was a division in the FO on whether to make the run or see.... just my hunch.

[Balta1701]

There is one more possibility I have yet to see considered. Since it would be bad for the White Sox, you could even count this as a prediction, because it would fit with everything else that has happened with this trade.

 

The White Sox offer Samardzija a Qualifying Offer and he turns it down under the logic expressed in this thread. Teams with pitching needs and money snatch up Price, Cueto, and other guys who don't have draft pick compensation attached to them, teams with pitching needs but less money look elsewhere to guys who weren't good enough to be offered a QO.

 

Samardzija sits there unsigned in January. A couple teams call but nothing serious. Teams have spent their money. No team goes crazy like the Padres did this year in trying to sign big names.

 

Training camp starts, Samardzija is unsigned, teams have filled out their rosters. The White Sox toss him a small offer just in case he wants to accept it. Maybe he does and we blow another year of EJ's career blocked, maybe he doesn't. If he doesn't, he sits there unsigned through training camp.

 

No major injuries happen that force anyone to call. On IIRC June 1, draft pick compensation expires for guys who were offered QOs but remained unsigned. Teams now consider Jeff Samardzija a possible trade deadline addition and he remains unsigned until after June 1 when he finally gets a small deal to finish out the year.

 

The draft pick compensation that people have been telling me would be so great for the last 9 months...never appears. Rick Hahn's failure is complete.

[3GamesToLove]

Not so much a rant on Shark, but...

 

Remember when media, Sox fans, and the organization itself was lauding Samardzija as a second ace and everyone was talking about the Sale/Shark combo, completely ignoring that Jose Quintana is a much better and more reliable pitcher?

 

Quintana gets no love. I can count on one hand the number of jerseys/shirseys I've seen at the park aside from my own. Saw plenty of "one year of control" Samardzija shirts...

[LDF]

There is one more possibility I have yet to see considered. Since it would be bad for the White Sox, you could even count this as a prediction, because it would fit with everything else that has happened with this trade.

 

The White Sox offer Samardzija a Qualifying Offer and he turns it down under the logic expressed in this thread. Teams with pitching needs and money snatch up Price, Cueto, and other guys who don't have draft pick compensation attached to them, teams with pitching needs but less money look elsewhere to guys who weren't good enough to be offered a QO.

 

Samardzija sits there unsigned in January. A couple teams call but nothing serious. Teams have spent their money. No team goes crazy like the Padres did this year in trying to sign big names.

 

Training camp starts, Samardzija is unsigned, teams have filled out their rosters. The White Sox toss him a small offer just in case he wants to accept it. Maybe he does and we blow another year of EJ's career blocked, maybe he doesn't. If he doesn't, he sits there unsigned through training camp.

 

No major injuries happen that force anyone to call. On IIRC June 1, draft pick compensation expires for guys who were offered QOs but remained unsigned. Teams now consider Jeff Samardzija a possible trade deadline addition and he remains unsigned until after June 1 when he finally gets a small deal to finish out the year.

 

The draft pick compensation that people have been telling me would be so great for the last 9 months...never appears. Rick Hahn's failure is complete.

 

re.... bold, i would rewrite that to say the sox FO. b/c no matter what, what ever happens in an possible trade, still has to go thru KW and then the owners.

 

now, he is a question, is the shark who pitched this yr the same pitcher who built up his value as a pitcher?????

 

 

[Balta1701]

now, he is a question, is the shark who pitched this yr the same pitcher who built up his value as a pitcher?????

No. His strikeout rate has fallen massively from great to barely above average. He has continued improving his walk rate throughout his career and he's walking as few of people as ever, but he is no longer a solid strikeout pitcher. Therefore, people are hitting him, sometimes they're hitting him hard, and there's a generally weak defense behind him so he's getting constantly hammered.

 

He's not obviously unlucky on HR balls, he's not obviously unlucky on giving up hits, he just has switched from being a pitcher who was above average with strikeouts to an average strikeout pitcher.

[LDF]

No. His strikeout rate has fallen massively from great to barely above average. He has continued improving his walk rate throughout his career and he's walking as few of people as ever, but he is no longer a solid strikeout pitcher. Therefore, people are hitting him, sometimes they're hitting him hard, and there's a generally weak defense behind him so he's getting constantly hammered.

 

He's not obviously unlucky on HR balls, he's not obviously unlucky on giving up hits, he just has switched from being a pitcher who was above average with strikeouts to an average strikeout pitcher.

 

here is my last question, i got to go,

 

but can shark rebuild his skills and that will be a investment for a team who needs pitchers. either way, another yr on a QO is still a good gamble.

[Jose Abreu]

Come on, guys... you can hate on Samardzija, but it really wasn't a bad trade. We'll see how Ravelo does, but as for the others... there was no place for Bassitt on this team, Phegley is a backup, and Semien has been the worst defensive player in baseball.

[Jose Abreu]

Not so much a rant on Shark, but...

 

Remember when media, Sox fans, and the organization itself was lauding Samardzija as a second ace and everyone was talking about the Sale/Shark combo, completely ignoring that Jose Quintana is a much better and more reliable pitcher?

 

Quintana gets no love. I can count on one hand the number of jerseys/shirseys I've seen at the park aside from my own. Saw plenty of "one year of control" Samardzija shirts...

Agreed. I still think he should have been the Opening Day starter.

[Balta1701]

here is my last question, i got to go,

 

but can shark rebuild his skills and that will be a investment for a team who needs pitchers. either way, another yr on a QO is still a good gamble.

Possibly. His fastball velocity is still there, so right now there's no obvious reason why his strikeout ability has declined since his control still seems to be there.

 

However, I sure wouldn't gamble a multi year deal on this guy and give up a draft pick if I were a GM.

[Balta1701]

Come on, guys... you can hate on Samardzija, but it really wasn't a bad trade. We'll see how Ravelo does, but as for the others... there was no place for Bassitt on this team, Phegley is a backup, and Semien has been the worst defensive player in baseball.

And the end result is going to be...we paid $9 million for him this season, the A's paid $1.5 million, the A's will have those guys for 4-5 more years, and we will keep seeing comments here about how the White Sox minor leagues has no depth while wondering how that could possibly have happened.

 

The White Sox have called up several players this year from their minors and just by having them be non-terrible, they've helped this team to winning streaks (Tyler, Trayce). Depth can be nice too. Counting the draft picks...we gave up 6 players from our minor leagues for the privilege of the 2015 season and we'll be lucky to get 1 back next summer.

[elrockinMT]

He'll wind up in St.Louis and be good for 4 months. That is my call.

 

 

The return has to be worth it, but I can see it happening. I think if he isnt traded we just about have to give him a qualifying offer so as not to lose everything we invested. Now saying that just ponder this for a moment... what happens if all of sudden Shark turns it on and pitches like an ace for the rst of the season? He had a real good stretch and does pitch deep into game usually. Teams like his arm. Maybe the Sox still do.

[Lip Man 1]

And the end result is going to be...we paid $9 million for him this season, the A's paid $1.5 million, the A's will have those guys for 4-5 more years, and we will keep seeing comments here about how the White Sox minor leagues has no depth while wondering how that could possibly have happened.

 

The White Sox have called up several players this year from their minors and just by having them be non-terrible, they've helped this team to winning streaks (Tyler, Trayce). Depth can be nice too. Counting the draft picks...we gave up 6 players from our minor leagues for the privilege of the 2015 season and we'll be lucky to get 1 back next summer.

 

That's what happens when you have that "go for it" attitude (right Kenny??????) LOL.

 

Mark