fathom Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 06:37 PM) With Sanchez coming around, if Anderson can rake at SS, I'd be more than happy with Saladino-Anderson-Sanchez with Micah DHing. Not nearly enough power in that lineup for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 01:33 PM) Just did some checking to make sure what a 5 dWAR 3b would be. Brooks Robinson had 1 season where he put up a 4.5 dWAR at third. Manny Machado did it once over there. The highest dWAR season ever recorded by Baseball Reference is Andrelton Simmons with a 5.4 dWAR season at short. Basically, if Tyler could do that for 1 season, it would rank among the top 10 defensive seasons in history regardless of position. If you are expecting him to do that every year....Brooks Robinson couldn't do that. So even if he fielded at half that pace, but improved his stick to somewhere just under what he was doing in the minors, you have have a very good 3B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 01:48 PM) Not nearly enough power in that lineup for me Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 01:48 PM) Not nearly enough power in that lineup for me Yeah same, that's pretty ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 01:45 PM) Where are you seeing his WAR is 0.9? 0.4 according to Fangraphs Looking at the fangraphs chart for 3B, Tyler is already up to 21st overall in their defensive rating stat, in his 30ish games. Overall he is tied for 33rd in WAR. He is tied with Lawrie. He is ahead of guys such as Alex Guerreo, Nick Castellanos, Yasmany Tomas, and Pablo Sandoval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I think Saladino is going to make an excellent utility player and a solid late inning defensive replacement. No shame in that, nothing wrong with it. That's always a valuable piece on a team. But starting? Especially at 3rd base which is a power / home run / big RBI position...can't see it. Sanchez should be an adequate / solid second baseman. Anderson may be a pretty good shortstop...we'll have to see. As far as Johnson, until he shows he can actually stay healthy it's all a moot point with him. (Or a moo point, the point of view of a cow as Joey said on "Friends...") LOL. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 02:29 PM) I think Saladino is going to make an excellent utility player and a solid late inning defensive replacement. No shame in that, nothing wrong with it. That's always a valuable piece on a team. But starting? Especially at 3rd base which is a power / home run / big RBI position...can't see it. Sanchez should be an adequate / solid second baseman. Anderson may be a pretty good shortstop...we'll have to see. As far as Johnson, until he shows he can actually stay healthy it's all a moot point with him. (Or a moo point, the point of view of a cow as Joey said on "Friends...") LOL. Mark Pretty much agree with this. Saladino has proven he's an excellent defender at 3B but his bat won't play as a starter. If he can play 2B and SS adequately he's the 2016 utility IF, and he's a step up from Garcia and Boni IMO. Sanchez should be able to hit 260/300/370 next year and with his defense that's about 1.5 to 2.5 WAR. I"ll take that. Johnson needs to stay healthy and prove he can play any sort of adequate defense somewhere. Anderson looks like Alexei 2.0 IMO. Never gonna be patient but could threaten a 300 average key will be obviously can he translate his tools to above average defense and baserunning as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 03:53 PM) Pretty much agree with this. Saladino has proven he's an excellent defender at 3B but his bat won't play as a starter. If he can play 2B and SS adequately he's the 2016 utility IF, and he's a step up from Garcia and Boni IMO. Will his bat play as a starter if he's an average to above average defensive SS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 02:56 PM) Will his bat play as a starter if he's an average to above average defensive SS? I dunno but the Sox should probably find out in the next 40 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 03:59 PM) I dunno but the Sox should probably find out in the next 40 games. Unfortunately....I wouldn't have confidence either way based on a 40 game sample as a rookie, and you know that Alexei is going to play every day as well as i do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
credescrew24 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 All of a sudden this became a Tyler thread.... Anywho if anyone is heading to the BigÅ let me know... Or I'll be the dude rock'n Sox logos tatted on my right calf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 02:29 PM) I think Saladino is going to make an excellent utility player and a solid late inning defensive replacement. No shame in that, nothing wrong with it. That's always a valuable piece on a team. But starting? Especially at 3rd base which is a power / home run / big RBI position...can't see it. Sanchez should be an adequate / solid second baseman. Anderson may be a pretty good shortstop...we'll have to see. As far as Johnson, until he shows he can actually stay healthy it's all a moot point with him. (Or a moo point, the point of view of a cow as Joey said on "Friends...") LOL. Mark 3B maybe used to be a big time power / home runs / big RBI position, but it really isn't anymore. Sure, it'd be great to have an elite 3B, but there are very few. There are about 5 really good ones (Donaldson, Machado, Arenado, Frazier, Seager), a few good ones that are getting old (Beltre and Longoria) and some solid guys and promising kids (Carpenter and Bryant). After that it is pretty meh. You can get away with a 3B without a ton of power, but you probably need to have it elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) Thompson batting 5th. Sox https://twitter.com/CSNHayes/status/633408383169642496 Angels https://twitter.com/AnaheimSports1/status/633404393686110212 Edited August 17, 2015 by flavum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 04:57 PM) https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/633396874012024832 Thompson batting 5th. That should be interesting having 2 third basemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 04:49 PM) 3B maybe used to be a big time power / home runs / big RBI position, but it really isn't anymore. Sure, it'd be great to have an elite 3B, but there are very few. There are about 5 really good ones (Donaldson, Machado, Arenado, Frazier, Seager), a few good ones that are getting old (Beltre and Longoria) and some solid guys and promising kids (Carpenter and Bryant). After that it is pretty meh. You can get away with a 3B without a ton of power, but you probably need to have it elsewhere. League wide, 3b has the 3rd highest OPS out of any position. It's comparable to the DH in the average lineup in that stat. 1b is the strongest, RF is slightly ahead, then 3b, DH, and so on. With an above average offensive 1b, we could probably survive with a below average 3b if we got solid contributions out of the RF and DH slots. We should have an above average CF, but at SS and 2b we've been below average and LF and C we've been at best average. If we had an average RF and DH, we'd have ~4 positions with average production, 2 positions above average, and 3 that are below average. That still wouldn't be a great lineup but it wouldn't be bottom of the league. RF and DH have been no where near average and the player producing offense at the catcher's spot is a FA at the end of the year, which could shift that position back to below average. We need offense somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 The mistake some are making is assuming that the very limited sample of offensive numbers we have from Saladino are very informative. That first callup usually generates some really strange hitting numbers at some point in time. I would especially shy away from assuming we know if he's this bad or this good in terms of overall production. If he hits well or badly for a week it will drastically change his season numbers. With that said, some of the same goes for the defense. He's clearly good over there, but we don't have good evidence that he's really something like one of the few best defensive 3B in the game. There's lot to be encouraged about, though, because regardless of the statistics the eye test tells us that he's at least an above average defender over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 06:13 PM) The mistake some are making is assuming that the very limited sample of offensive numbers we have from Saladino are very informative. That first callup usually generates some really strange hitting numbers at some point in time. I would especially shy away from assuming we know if he's this bad or this good in terms of overall production. If he hits well or badly for a week it will drastically change his season numbers. With that said, some of the same goes for the defense. He's clearly good over there, but we don't have good evidence that he's really something like one of the few best defensive 3B in the game. There's lot to be encouraged about, though, because regardless of the statistics the eye test tells us that he's at least an above average defender over there. We have his entire MiLB career and scouting reports to go off. He'll be lucky to ever hit anymore than 250/320/380. He seems to have some patience but he also tends to fall behind in counts because nobody is afraid of starting him with strike one. Saladino is a nice story and I"m glad he's proven he can play a very good 3B but I don't think he's anything other than a utility bench guy long term, at least on the next Sox playoff team. They aren't good enough elswewhere to carry his bat at 3B right now. Things can change but until other positions start to carry more weight (2B, catcher, SS, RF) they should look for a hitter at 3B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 02:37 PM) With Sanchez coming around, if Anderson can rake at SS, I'd be more than happy with Saladino-Anderson-Sanchez with Micah DHing. I think that lineup would be fine for Charlotte next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 QUOTE (SCCWS @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 06:57 PM) I think that lineup would be fine for Charlotte next year. I never said it'd be for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 11:45 AM) Where are you seeing his WAR is 0.9? 0.4 according to Fangraphs Baseball ref. They have a picture list of the top 12 Sox producers by WAR . Put you cursor over the pic for Saladino ,he is 8th. http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2015.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Rodon 1st Sox rookie since Jason Bere in 1993 to have 2 games of 10 or more K's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 07:02 PM) Baseball ref. They have a picture list of the top 12 Sox producers by WAR . Put you cursor over the pic for Saladino ,he is 8th. http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2015.shtml It's all dWAR, which is like the neutrino IMO. It might exist, but who knows where the hell to look. I'm convinced he's a solid defender. I'm not convinced that over a full season he's a 4.0 dWAR player. That's like 3-5 guys in the entire league at any given time. Looking over that list though some impressive turnarounds. Of course, you don't get credit for returning from historically awful after 80 odd games. Keep playing Trayce and Shuck see if there's something there. f*** La Roche he can sit and cash his checks and help out with the faith night. Edited August 18, 2015 by chitownsportsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 These late games suck. Luckily, I've got raw to keep me busy until 905 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Anyone think his D would be better than Sanchez' at 2b? I think his bat will play out the same (more power/speed) when it's all said and done and he definitely has a bigger arm/range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 08:48 PM) Anyone think his D would be better than Sanchez' at 2b? I think his bat will play out the same (more power/speed) when it's all said and done and he definitely has a bigger arm/range. Not even close. Sanchez is pretty close to GG worthy at second base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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