BlackSox13 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 06:28 PM) ok, i really didn't want to mention this, but Col does not have a 3b to replace him. even in their up and coming prospects. so why would Col trade their excellent offensive 3b???? Arenado is the Rockies next Tulo so to speak and really don't see why they would trade him. I know CO is rebuilding and in need of pitching but they could easily do an extension with Arenado and keep him in CO for years beyond their speculated rebuild window. There's nothing wrong with hope but I just cannot see it happening and I'm rather outside the box in my thinking. Maybe I'm wrong. Call me close minded on the subject of Q but I find it difficult to believe the Sox would trade him. His numbers are very close to that of Lester for a whole lot less money. Q- http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...shtml#contracts Lester- http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...shtml#contracts I wonder what Q's numbers would look like if he faced the pitcher three times per game? All that said. I do realize the Sox will not fill all the positional holes via FA and no, I do not have an alternative solution to trading pitching for hitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Wow, that Thompson/Arenado connection is funny considering we've been discussing acquiring Nolan for weeks now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 06:51 PM) Colorado's system is actually pretty good, they're just really young and are a few years (2-3) from contributing. I'd send Davidson, Micah, Montas, Danish, and Hawkins for Arenado and LeMehieu. If they want Anderson, I'd think about it. There's no chance they would do that deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (Mike F. @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 07:08 PM) There's no chance they would do that deal. Seriously. I would be fuming if I was a Rockies fan and they made that trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 06:32 PM) As another poster mentioned, by trading Tulo, their window is now 2-3 years away from what they think they can contend because of the players they acquired for him. They have about 5-6 of those guys that are in that time frame. One of which is 3B Ryan McMahon who is demolishing high A ball at the age of 20. I'd send them Davidson, who will provide a stop gap until McMahon gets there, and others to get Arenado and LeMehieu Dude, Davidson has ZERO value. In fact, I'd say it's more than a 50% chance the Sox drop him from their 40 man roster this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 06:23 PM) If the Sox can somehow find a way to get Arenado without giving up Q or Rodon. I will dance around naked. Sale? QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 06:51 PM) Colorado's system is actually pretty good, they're just really young and are a few years (2-3) from contributing. I'd send Davidson, Micah, Montas, Danish, and Hawkins for Arenado and LeMehieu. If they want Anderson, I'd think about it. The Rockies laugh at that and hangup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 06:56 PM) Arenado is the Rockies next Tulo so to speak and really don't see why they would trade him. I know CO is rebuilding and in need of pitching but they could easily do an extension with Arenado and keep him in CO for years beyond their speculated rebuild window. There's nothing wrong with hope but I just cannot see it happening and I'm rather outside the box in my thinking. Maybe I'm wrong. Call me close minded on the subject of Q but I find it difficult to believe the Sox would trade him. His numbers are very close to that of Lester for a whole lot less money. Q- http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...shtml#contracts Lester- http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...shtml#contracts I wonder what Q's numbers would look like if he faced the pitcher three times per game? All that said. I do realize the Sox will not fill all the positional holes via FA and no, I do not have an alternative solution to trading pitching for hitting. Arenado has Boras as his agent, which means an extension is incredibly unlikely. Given their current situation, the Rockies should definitely consider moving him. They'll obviously get a haul for him, although it's possible they could get more by waiting another year to see if he takes that next step. Regardless, I don't see why they would want Quintana as the central piece of their return. Maybe if he's spun off as part of a three way, but the Rockies will want a plethora of prospects, as hitting on a couple could move up their contention window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Addison Reed and Matt Davidson were buds too, and they got traded for each other. I wouldn't read too much into that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 06:14 PM) Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 36m36 minutes ago Chicago, IL Interesting side note on Trayce Thompson: His best friend and more like a third brother is Colorado standout third baseman Nolan Arenado Tea leaves......TEA LEAVES Damn now ya got me mildly intrigued lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 07:37 PM) Arenado has Boras as his agent, which means an extension is incredibly unlikely. Given their current situation, the Rockies should definitely consider moving him. They'll obviously get a haul for him, although it's possible they could get more by waiting another year to see if he takes that next step. Regardless, I don't see why they would want Quintana as the central piece of their return. Maybe if he's spun off as part of a three way, but the Rockies will want a plethora of prospects, as hitting on a couple could move up their contention window. Boras for an agent is a good point but if Arenado and CO decided they wanted to work on an extension, Boras would have no choice since he works for Arenado. A few other things to consider are 1) Tulo's contract is off the books and 2) the Rockies are suspected/expected to trade CarGo in the off season which opens up alot of money for CO. Enough money to buy a few FA pitchers this winter and speed up their contention window while holding onto Arenado and their prospects as well. Don't get your hopes up Sox fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 04:49 PM) JOSE QUINTANA IS AN ACE Preach it, brotha. Sooner or later Soxtalk will catch on. Q is going nowhere. Bank it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 02:01 AM) Boras for an agent is a good point but if Arenado and CO decided they wanted to work on an extension, Boras would have no choice since he works for Arenado. A few other things to consider are 1) Tulo's contract is off the books and 2) the Rockies are suspected/expected to trade CarGo in the off season which opens up alot of money for CO. Enough money to buy a few FA pitchers this winter and speed up their contention window while holding onto Arenado and their prospects as well. Don't get your hopes up Sox fans. excellent point. i forgot about the money saved from Tulo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 12:56 AM) Arenado is the Rockies next Tulo so to speak and really don't see why they would trade him. I know CO is rebuilding and in need of pitching but they could easily do an extension with Arenado and keep him in CO for years beyond their speculated rebuild window. There's nothing wrong with hope but I just cannot see it happening and I'm rather outside the box in my thinking. Maybe I'm wrong. Call me close minded on the subject of Q but I find it difficult to believe the Sox would trade him. His numbers are very close to that of Lester for a whole lot less money. Q- http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...shtml#contracts Lester- http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...shtml#contracts I wonder what Q's numbers would look like if he faced the pitcher three times per game? All that said. I do realize the Sox will not fill all the positional holes via FA and no, I do not have an alternative solution to trading pitching for hitting. excellent point. if the sox wanted to help themselves... Q to an NL team .... that team might cough up prospects. well the sox FO has a game plan. i just hope they can do it right in the off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 10:16 PM) excellent point. i forgot about the money saved from Tulo Another financial possibility is if CO found a taker for Jose Reyes, although CO would have to send money with Reyes in a trade but it would still free up some money. He's not happy in CO, that's for sure. Reyes-"You come from a ballclub that was competing for a spot in the playoffs. And you come to a club in last place. You think about that," Reyes said of the trade that ripped him out of Toronto. "I'm at the point in my career that I want to win," Reyes said. "I say it over and over. I want to win. I don't want to spend the rest of my career on a last-place team. That's not the kind of player I feel like I am." "We'll see what happens here," he said. "But in the next couple years, I don't want to waste my time like that." http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-leag...-154920673.html Problem is with his salary and recent quotes, CO will have a hard sell on him. Maybe the Yanks would take a chance? There's potential for the Rockies to free up more money if they can get creative. I just cannot see why CO would trade Arenado since he's young enough to build a future team around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 03:45 AM) Another financial possibility is if CO found a taker for Jose Reyes, although CO would have to send money with Reyes in a trade but it would still free up some money. He's not happy in CO, that's for sure. Reyes-"You come from a ballclub that was competing for a spot in the playoffs. And you come to a club in last place. You think about that," Reyes said of the trade that ripped him out of Toronto. "I'm at the point in my career that I want to win," Reyes said. "I say it over and over. I want to win. I don't want to spend the rest of my career on a last-place team. That's not the kind of player I feel like I am." "We'll see what happens here," he said. "But in the next couple years, I don't want to waste my time like that." http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-leag...-154920673.html Problem is with his salary and recent quotes, CO will have a hard sell on him. Maybe the Yanks would take a chance? There's potential for the Rockies to free up more money if they can get creative. I just cannot see why CO would trade Arenado since he's young enough to build a future team around. this is one of those times that when does baseball is a game and when is it a business. it sucks for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 10:22 PM) excellent point. if the sox wanted to help themselves... Q to an NL team .... that team might cough up prospects. well the sox FO has a game plan. i just hope they can do it right in the off season. I don't know man, LDF you know my feelings on the idea of trading Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 04:52 AM) I don't know man, LDF you know my feelings on the idea of trading Q. just gots to be different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Rodon for Arenado straight up, who hangs up? Would you be happy with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Has anyone even bothered to check Arendo's stats away from Coors? Home: .300/338/534 103 wRC+ Away: .253/289/431 95 wRC+ Can't hit away from Coors, and at Coors can only manage a 103 wRC+ in his career. Kid is a great at third, no doubt (+60 DRS in three seasons), but we need more lumber. We already have the poor mans version of this in Saladino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 05:22 AM) Rodon for Arenado straight up, who hangs up? Would you be happy with that? a total win for Col. QUOTE (woods of ypres @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 06:22 AM) Has anyone even bothered to check Arendo's stats away from Coors? Home: .300/338/534 103 wRC+ Away: .253/289/431 95 wRC+ Can't hit away from Coors, and at Coors can only manage a 103 wRC+ in his career. Kid is a great at third, no doubt (+60 DRS in three seasons), but we need more lumber. We already have the poor mans version of this in Saladino. that should be the end of this conversation on getting Arenado. nice one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (woods of ypres @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 12:22 AM) Has anyone even bothered to check Arendo's stats away from Coors? Home: .300/338/534 103 wRC+ Away: .253/289/431 95 wRC+ Can't hit away from Coors, and at Coors can only manage a 103 wRC+ in his career. Kid is a great at third, no doubt (+60 DRS in three seasons), but we need more lumber. We already have the poor mans version of this in Saladino. No offense, but it's pretty lazy to use career stats for a third year player. Dude has a119 wRC+ on the road this year, despite an incredibly low BABIP. He's a much better hitter than you're giving him credit for. The only thing holding him back right now from being a special hitter is his BB rate. But given that's he 24, that could improve with time. Calling him Saladino is a ridiculous comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 I took a look at the 2015-2016 MLB free agent list: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/09/2016...ree-agents.html What's depressing to me is that I'm not sure the Sox could buy their way out of their present situation, even if they had infinite money. I'm not seeing how the Sox can cobble together an average lineup without trading off at least one of the young guns (Quintana, Sale, Rodon). Your best bet at this point is to try to jumpstart the club with a 1998 Astros/Mariners type trade (where the Mariners got Carlos Guillen and Freddy Garcia for Randy Johnson). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (Wedge @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 07:54 AM) I took a look at the 2015-2016 MLB free agent list: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/09/2016...ree-agents.html What's depressing to me is that I'm not sure the Sox could buy their way out of their present situation, even if they had infinite money. I'm not seeing how the Sox can cobble together an average lineup without trading off at least one of the young guns (Quintana, Sale, Rodon). Your best bet at this point is to try to jumpstart the club with a 1998 Astros/Mariners type trade (where the Mariners got Carlos Guillen and Freddy Garcia for Randy Johnson). Agreed on this. We tried to buy fixes last season and none of them hit. A smarter organization would start moving pieces for prospects. Unfortunately, we don't have that luxury and the position player drafting is mediocre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 07:59 AM) Agreed on this. We tried to buy fixes last season and none of them hit. A smarter organization would start moving pieces for prospects. Unfortunately, we don't have that luxury and the position player drafting is mediocre. Dude just no. We have restocked the farm and flipped cores all in 2 yrs without having to lose on purpose for 5 yrs. I know it doesn't feel like it right now, being 6 games under .500 or whatever, but the Sox are in an enviable position moving forward. Hang in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (woods of ypres @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 12:22 AM) Has anyone even bothered to check Arendo's stats away from Coors? Home: .300/338/534 103 wRC+ Away: .253/289/431 95 wRC+ Can't hit away from Coors, and at Coors can only manage a 103 wRC+ in his career. In 2015, his best power year, 60% of his home runs have been hit away from Coors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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