SCCWS Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 22, 2015 -> 10:56 AM) Add Erik Johnson to the list. Assuming we lose Shark, we're most likely counting on Johnson to fill the #4 spot next year. It would be nice to give him an extended look in a lost season and be a bit more confident in counting on him for 2016. I agree as well but the production in September is still tainted by the level of play of some teams. Boston comes into Chicago this week and they have unlaoded their AAA roster into the majors. You will certainly need a scorecard. I have been pushing for a few months that the White Sox should trade Q to Boston for one of the young catchers ( Swihart), one of the young outfielders (Bradley) + a young pitcher. But w Dombrowski's arrival, I think that ship has sailed. Rumors are he will go after Price in the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 24, 2015 -> 02:37 PM) Quintana will be dealt. The problem is we usually trade or let go the wrong guy. Look at Santiago. Look at Mark Buehrle. Look at McCarthy before he got hurt. In the offseason maybe they could package Q and Danks and Micah, make somebody take Johnny's salary and we get one Puig and Ethier in return. I think the obvious trade is for Ethier and Puig. The question is what do we give up? I say Q, Danks and Micah. Rick Hahn should be fired if he offered Q and Micah for Ethier or Puig. The Dodgers are the ones sending more pieces for Q. Sox won the Eaton trade so far. They won the McCarthy trade. They definitively won the first Peavy trade. They can still win the second Peavy trade. It was Buerhle vs. Sale for a rotation spot. They won Youkilis. They somehow might have won the second Teahen trade. They somehow won the Edwin Jackson trade. Shark might be the biggest blemish so far, but we won't know in regards to that for awhile. What if they get a stud with the comp pick? What if they keep Shark and then trade an expendable EJ for a good piece? Plus, what Sox prospect has gone on to be a stud after being traded other than Gio? QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 24, 2015 -> 02:47 PM) In 2 years, Santiago has a 2.1 WAR with the Angels. In 2 years, Eaton has a 4.9 WAR with the Sox. Stop it. This is according to fangraphs QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 24, 2015 -> 02:50 PM) The comment was made on this post about signing MB for nostalgia's sake. I beg to differ as I think it's his history and continued performance. I would sign him in a heartbeat, but I do not believe he will be signed by the Sox. Our loss I'm talking about the people who want to trade Q to clear a spot for Mark, then give up a draft pick. Or allocating resources elsewhere. The Sox have a young, cost-controlled trio of two elite lefties and another in the making. They have a stable of talented, right handed arms coming up. I'd rather put money towards the offense than getting rid of one Sale-Q-Rodon and giving up a pick for Mark. If they somehow clear Danks, then yes, sign Buehrle. If they trade Quintana for a haul, sign Buehrle. But don't sign Buehrle for the sake of signing Buehrle, which many want to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Quinarvy, i would sign MB in a heartbeat, not unless he has a QO, is asking for 13 mil and esp if he wants a 3 yr contract. now with Q.... i am lost and i will wait until the season is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 24, 2015 -> 02:37 PM) Quintana will be dealt. The problem is we usually trade or let go the wrong guy. Look at Santiago. Look at Mark Buehrle. Look at McCarthy before he got hurt. In the offseason maybe they could package Q and Danks and Micah, make somebody take Johnny's salary and we get one Puig and Ethier in return. I think the obvious trade is for Ethier and Puig. The question is what do we give up? I say Q, Danks and Micah. Hector Santiago was NOT the wrong guy. 2.91 ERA against a 4.12 FIP. There are guys that beat FIP, but they're guys that induce weak contact and limit homers. Hector Santiago and he's NOT one of them -- he's got an unrealistic 83% LOB rate and a .256 BABIP. Dude is going to come crashing down to Earth. Besides, who was the "right" guy to trade then? Which of our other pitchers would you have moved instead (that would have actually been enough to net Eaton)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I dont feel that Q is going to have near the value on the trade market that some here expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 24, 2015 -> 04:20 PM) Quinarvy, i would sign MB in a heartbeat, not unless he has a QO, is asking for 13 mil and esp if he wants a 3 yr contract. now with Q.... i am lost and i will wait until the season is over. I agree, his pitching is not going to degrade as quickly as a lot of other guys in the league and he could be a guy that is productive into his 40's. If receives a QO, I would not be interested, but on the open market I would do a three year deal with him especially with Danks contract rolling off the books after next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Trading Quintana is all speculation at this point... I don't know why some of you think it's 100% going to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 24, 2015 -> 04:56 PM) Trading Quintana is all speculation at this point... I don't know why some of you think it's 100% going to happen I agree. I'm of the opinion that we have a pretty big stash of quality minor leaguers now. I know it's not a sexy list and won't make the top 100s...but I think other GMs would like a lot of our guys. We have some serious bullets to fire if we want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 There is all kinds of free agent pitching available next offseason. Position players (especially C, 3B) are going to be very difficult to acquire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 QUOTE (GREEDY @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 01:47 AM) There is all kinds of free agent pitching available next offseason. Position players (especially C, 3B) are going to be very difficult to acquire. there are going to be some interesting names esp in pitching. some of the teams, i feel, would not give a QO of, lets say 16 mil. but for the long haul, the sox have no choice but to trade for some help. esp in since there is really no help coming in those positions. btw, hahn did try to address one position but that went to hell and a hand basket, davidson at 3b. this is what i have been saying, only trading for 1 player. this is a perfect example...... that 1 player was to save the team and be a future player at 3b for a long time. it didn't work. why did they not get a 2nd player just to make sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 01:52 AM) If the White Sox dip into FA market, I hope it's a #3/#4 starter who doesn't have any compensation attached. Position players are baaaad this offseason. Pitchers I'd be interested in that could come pretty cheap: Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Doug Fister Hitters wise, I'd definitely go after Jason Heyward or Justin Upton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 08:51 AM) Pitchers I'd be interested in that could come pretty cheap: Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Doug Fister Hitters wise, I'd definitely go after Jason Heyward or Justin Upton I would not go after Upton or Heyward. Not in the business of giving up draft picks anymore. I'd like Fister though on a decent deal. Hopefully, they could move Danks' final year and go with Sale, Quintana, Fister, Rodon, and Erik Johnson. Would be a nice rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 09:01 AM) I would not go after Upton or Heyward. Not in the business of giving up draft picks anymore. I'd like Fister though on a decent deal. Hopefully, they could move Danks' final year and go with Sale, Quintana, Fister, Rodon, and Erik Johnson. Would be a nice rotation. If we get a top 10 pick which would protect that first round pick, I definitely go after Upton or Heyward. If not, then I would not do it. I would give up the 2nd round pick because Sox will get a comp pick for Jeff as well. Adding Heyward or Upton doesnt block anyone from the minors, the moves improves this team greatly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Even with a protected pick I would steer clear of Upton and Heyward. Those are by far the best FA hitters so there will be plenty of teams interested which could very well turn into bidding wars. I know the SOX need hitting but it would take some financial creativity to land one of those bats. For some reason I'm doubtful the Sox spend the kind of money Upton and Heyward will get. Not trying to s*** on the idea, just not getting my hopes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 02:52 PM) Even with a protected pick I would steer clear of Upton and Heyward. Those are by far the best FA hitters so there will be plenty of teams interested which could very well turn into bidding wars. I know the SOX need hitting but it would take some financial creativity to land one of those bats. For some reason I'm doubtful the Sox spend the kind of money Upton and Heyward will get. Not trying to s*** on the idea, just not getting my hopes up. you made an excellent point. the money of a panda ..... forget about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 10:02 AM) you made an excellent point. the money of a panda ..... forget about it. This is the money Panda is making right now. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...shtml#contracts I cringe at the thought of the asking prices of Upton and Heyward this winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 03:14 PM) This is the money Panda is making right now. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...shtml#contracts I cringe at the thought of the asking prices of Upton and Heyward this winter. 17 mil per..... man i was glad then and i am more-so for loosing out in signing him. i really hate to be the kill joy here ...... but i can't wait to see who gets the QO's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 (edited) I was a fan of the Smard. trade but seeing an ERA hitting close to 5.00 and all the homers he gives up is getting a bit old. If he sticks with the Sox I just hope this year was an anomaly Edited August 25, 2015 by elrockinMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 01:05 PM) I want Latos + compensation for Samardzija > Samardzija. I wonder if Latos would be willing to take a 1 year deal to up his value because he will only be 28 next season. Then, have a rotation of Sale, Quintana, Latos, Rodon, Danks/Johnson. Sign Heyward. Trade Montas, Micah, Hawkins, Davidson, and Danish for Seager and Taylor or Longoria and McGee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coco1997 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 24, 2015 -> 04:06 PM) The Sox have a young, cost-controlled trio of two elite lefties and another in the making. They have a stable of talented, right handed arms coming up. I'd rather put money towards the offense than getting rid of one Sale-Q-Rodon and giving up a pick for Mark. If they somehow clear Danks, then yes, sign Buehrle. If they trade Quintana for a haul, sign Buehrle. But don't sign Buehrle for the sake of signing Buehrle, which many want to do. Except that this organization has failed in that regard over the past decade or so. Who was the last free agent hitter the Sox brought in who wasn't a total bust? The verdict is still out on Melky. Juan Pierre? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 02:23 PM) I wonder if Latos would be willing to take a 1 year deal to up his value because he will only be 28 next season. Then, have a rotation of Sale, Quintana, Latos, Rodon, Danks/Johnson. Sign Heyward. Trade Montas, Micah, Hawkins, Davidson, and Danish for Seager and Taylor or Longoria and McGee. Yes. Plenty of pieces to get deals like that done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 04:23 PM) Yes. Plenty of pieces to get deals like that done. Exactly. Sign a stop gap for Fulmer in Latos to build his value up, sign Heyward (only if 1st round pick is protected), trade those prospects I mentioned for a 3B like Longoria, Seager, Frazier, and find someone to take on LaRoche or eat the money. Only 1 year left, preferably an NL team. Sale, Quintana, Latos, Rodon, Danks/Johnson CF Eaton LF Cabrera 1B Abreu 3B Longoria/Seager/Frazier RF Heyward DH Garcia SS Ramirez (Option picked up, call up Anderson later in year) C Flowers 2B Sanchez Soto, Shuck, Saladino, and FA on the bench Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 07:23 PM) I wonder if Latos would be willing to take a 1 year deal to up his value because he will only be 28 next season. Then, have a rotation of Sale, Quintana, Latos, Rodon, Danks/Johnson. Sign Heyward. Trade Montas, Micah, Hawkins, Davidson, and Danish for Seager and Taylor or Longoria and McGee. i am really sorry .... i really tried very hard not to make this post. but if you were the dodgers, would you make that trade??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 05:27 PM) i am really sorry .... i really tried very hard not to make this post. but if you were the dodgers, would you make that trade??? Sorry, I should of clarified. Kyle Seager and Chris Taylor from the Mariners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 10:30 PM) Sorry, I should of clarified. Kyle Seager and Chris Taylor from the Mariners. my bad and many thanks for the nice way of correcting me. peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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