BigEdWalsh Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 06:04 AM) Will Ohman is another guy who was a considerable jackass. I've heard from a good source of mine he was a terrible teammate. Ohman definitely deserves a nod. I hated Santo but really liked Kessinger. I thought I'd chime in on the hating guys for their performance issue. If you think about it in all your years of White Sox fandom there's always guys and always will be who cause you to groan when they come to bat or are brought in to pitch. Worse yet, when they predictably fail. But that's an entirely different kind of hate than the hate for a guy who's a horse's ass, despicable person, bad clubhouse guy/teammate, rude to fans, etc. It's two very different kinds of hate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 08:44 AM) That season was amazing but I still have to give the greatest season ever nod to The Big Hurt's 1994. Hard to say how he would have finished without the strike but its real hard to beat a .353/.487/.729 slash line. Belle '98 - .328/.399/.655/1.055, 113 R, 200 H, 48 2B, 49 HR, 152 RBI, 81 BB, 84 K, 165 wRC+, 7.1 fWAR in 163 games Thomas '94 - .353/.487/.729/1.217, 106 R, 141 H, 34 2B, 38 HR, 101 RBI, 109 BB, 61 K, 205 wRC+, 7.0 fWAR in 113 games Thomas '94 pace - .353/.487/.729/1.217, 152 R, 202 H, 49 2B, 54 HR, 145 RBI, 156 BB, 87 K, 205 wRC+, 10.0 fWAR I didn't count the 94 season because of the strike but yea Frank certainly had another 6 or 7 seasons to rival what Belle did in 98. Probably the only reason I gave it to Belle was total bases . He had 200 hits that year and 99 of them were either doubles, triples, or HR. 399 TB is very high and despite Franks greatness in many seasons the most he ever had was 364. Plus Belle played all 163 games that year. Never hurt or rested ,in the lineup every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 09:57 PM) <!--quoteo(post=3227150:date=Aug 25, 2015 -> 11:41 PM:name=greg775)-->QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 11:41 PM) <!--quotec-->Do the fans despise him and boo him? I thought he was kind of the fill in guy who saves the day when Rose is hurt, etc. fans might start to despise him for staying on too long... booing and hating this? nope I love Kirk. He might be past his prime but I still love him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Adam Dunn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlSoxfan Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 11:26 AM) I have no personal stories, but I guess he's just an unrepentant a-hole. There was a story about him taking a foul tip off his nether regions when he was with the Giants, and kneeing the trainer in the groin when he came over to help. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-02...new-sox-enraged That's really the only concrete thing I know of. The rest of baseball's fanbases hitting him just seems to be a snowball thing. "It was once determined that we should not like this guy, so let's dislike him. And of course he headbutted Michael Barrett's fist that one time. Thanks..kinda funny but not really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 11:26 AM) I have no personal stories, but I guess he's just an unrepentant a-hole. There was a story about him taking a foul tip off his nether regions when he was with the Giants, and kneeing the trainer in the groin when he came over to help. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-02...new-sox-enraged That's really the only concrete thing I know of. The rest of baseball's fanbases hitting him just seems to be a snowball thing. "It was once determined that we should not like this guy, so let's dislike him. And of course he headbutted Michael Barrett's fist that one time. It's funny that for a guy that's supposedly so hated by teammates, there are no stories reported in all these years except for a couple during his one year in San Francisco. He was with the Sox for eight full seasons yet no incidents were ever reported by former teammates after he left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Am I the first to mention D'Angelo Jimenez? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Is it safe to say Joey Belle was the meanest person in Sox history? Or is there anybody else rivaling him? Seems like he was a pretty big prick especially judging the one story about him calling one of the Soxtalk members a xxxxxx for taking his pic in spring training. That's pretty bad. I can see why some dont wanna sign autographs, but a picture? Cmon Joey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (shysocks @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 06:47 AM) And again. Dunn, for example, should not make anybody's list, because as disappointed as one might have been with his performance, he never complained. He never made excuses or pointed the finger at anybody else or took it out on teammates (like that d***head David Wells did). I would have to agree but when a big money acquisition for a key role like a middle of the lineup bat doesn't produce as expected it really sucks because it handicaps everything for that 4 year period since the Sox were basically stuck with him and the end result is a team that won't win anything for that 4 years. Hate is definitely too strong a word for it but if you love winning baseball you end up hating everything that Dunn represented , a big money failure that prevented the Sox from doing much of anything to win. Edited August 27, 2015 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 10:35 AM) I would have to agree but when a big money acquisition for a key role like a middle of the lineup doesn't produce as expected it really sucks because it handicaps everything for that 4 year period since the Sox were basically stuck with him and the end result is a team that won't win anything for that 4 years. Hate is definitely too strong a word for but if you love winning baseball you end up hating everything that Dunn represented , a big money failure that prevented the Sox from doing much of anything to win. It was 4 years $56 million. Not terribly huge money. Sox act like a small market team in this instance though. Teams have way worse contracts than Dunn's ever was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 08:37 AM) It was 4 years $56 million. Not terribly huge money. Sox act like a small market team in this instance though. Teams have way worse contracts than Dunn's ever was. Yea you're right but it might as well be $100M because it is the Sox we're talking about here and they will do everything they can to try and recoup that money by playing the guy . Same thing with LaRoche . Everyone and their brother knew he should be platooned but somehow some way the Sox didnt anticipate that and it left a gaping hole in the middle of the lineup against left handers. You just can't win with such a huge hole in such a key spot yet come hell or high water the Sox want to squeeze every ounce of production or lack of production for the money they are paying him at the expense of playing winning baseball. Edited August 27, 2015 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 09:48 AM) Yea you're right but it might as well be $100M because it is the Sox we're talking about here and they will do everything they can to try and recoup that money by playing the guy . Same thing with LaRoche . Everyone and their brother knew he should be platooned but somehow some way the Sox didnt anticipate that and it left a gaping hole in the middle of the lineup against left handers. You just can't win with such a huge hole in such a key spot yet come hell or high water the Sox want to squeeze every ounce of production or lack of production for the money they are paying him at the expense of playing winning baseball. Which is the same reason they won't fire Ventura. He's got a contract through next year. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwritecode Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 10:48 AM) Yea you're right but it might as well be $100M because it is the Sox we're talking about here and they will do everything they can to try and recoup that money by playing the guy . Same thing with LaRoche . Everyone and their brother knew he should be platooned but somehow some way the Sox didnt anticipate that and it left a gaping hole in the middle of the lineup against left handers. You just can't win with such a huge hole in such a key spot yet come hell or high water the Sox want to squeeze every ounce of production or lack of production for the money they are paying him at the expense of playing winning baseball. I caught a few minutes of Rongey on the post-game last night and he was saying exactly this. Ugh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 24, 2015 -> 08:27 PM) Without a doubt. He is one of the most hated players in the league by teammates. There is a reason that he needs to travel from team to team. He is truly one of the most dislikable people you've ever met. In Baseball he is on par with Bonds and sheffield. "Everybody hates A.J. His team mates just hate him a little less" - Ozzie lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Rob Mackowiak. Now, I might have to be upset for how we was positioned, but what a disappointment. Navarro would still get my first vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 11:41 PM) Is it safe to say Joey Belle was the meanest person in Sox history? Or is there anybody else rivaling him? Seems like he was a pretty big prick especially judging the one story about him calling one of the Soxtalk members a xxxxxx for taking his pic in spring training. That's pretty bad. I can see why some dont wanna sign autographs, but a picture? Cmon Joey. Ask steff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 24, 2015 -> 08:27 PM) Without a doubt. He is one of the most hated players in the league by teammates. There is a reason that he needs to travel from team to team. He is truly one of the most dislikable people you've ever met. In Baseball he is on par with Bonds and sheffield. He spent 8 years in Chicago. And he was only traded from the twins to make room for mauer, the local boy who just happens to be the #1 pick in the draft. And after he left the sox, can you really blame a team for giving a guy a one year deal when he's 37? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 2015 White Sox Organization Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Avisail Garcia - rapidly moving up the list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I've been thinking about this topic for a few days now. I remember when Sox traded for Larry Doby, can't remember when, sometime in early 60's I believe. Anyway, he got off to a bad start, and he was booed big time. It was pretty ugly, actually. He had his unique reaction to the booing. Obviously, the slump ended and he played pretty well, and he was embraced, sort of. I'm not saying he was the most hated in Sox history, not even close, but Doby received some pretty intense booing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 QUOTE (bjm676 @ Aug 30, 2015 -> 04:00 PM) Avisail Garcia - rapidly moving up the list Oh just stop. It's his first full season. He's not even on the list yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 01:27 PM) Adam Dunn The problem with a guy like Dunn or Linebrink was they were genuinely good people. Belle was a jerk. He was the one of the few post strike players who still acted like the fans were garbage. Edited August 31, 2015 by AustinIllini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Still need more patience with Avi. He's still learning and it's his first full season. This team isn't going anywhere so let's just wait and see how he progresses to end the year and in spring training. Let he and Trayce battle it out. Competitions good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 i wonder if i can add ozzie's kids this this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 QUOTE (oldsox @ Aug 30, 2015 -> 04:28 PM) I've been thinking about this topic for a few days now. I remember when Sox traded for Larry Doby, can't remember when, sometime in early 60's I believe. Anyway, he got off to a bad start, and he was booed big time. It was pretty ugly, actually. He had his unique reaction to the booing. Obviously, the slump ended and he played pretty well, and he was embraced, sort of. I'm not saying he was the most hated in Sox history, not even close, but Doby received some pretty intense booing. The Sox made the deal for Doby in the 1950's. Specifically October 1955. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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