Bananarchy Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 08:26 AM) i wonder if i can add ozzie's kids this this post. "Most hated mouthpiece of an active manager" Edited August 31, 2015 by AustinIllini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 08:06 PM) "Most hated mouthpiece of an active manager" now that is funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Aug 30, 2015 -> 10:12 PM) Still need more patience with Avi. He's still learning and it's his first full season. This team isn't going anywhere so let's just wait and see how he progresses to end the year and in spring training. Let he and Trayce battle it out. Competitions good. I was watching MLB network a week or 2 ago and they were comparing Marlon Byrd's old stance to his new one. The older stance one they showed looked like Avi. Byrd was on his last legs then changed his stance either because of age or performance issues. Googling some of Byrd's highlights it seems as if he's altered his stance a few time. He used to have an open stance like LaRoche and a high knee lift , bat high slightly behind his head farther back. Now he's more like Rios ,stance not open at all with front leg pointed toward the pitcher, hands lower , bat straight up so less load to his swing, high knee lift gone. He's done a good job because he was released a few years ago and now has been quite valuable. My point being it's the end of the season and Avi should fool around with his stance and hand positioning , leg kick , etc. and see how it feels to him. I know his main issue is probably pitch recognition but if he could get a longer look at the ball, lessen his load, and keep his hands through the zone longer he may improve as Byrd did. Edited September 1, 2015 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 It's Adam Laroche now and it's not close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 I really haven't hated any of them. The most disappointed and frustrated I was with any played was Billy Botch. But his off the field ;performance made him "likable". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 20, 2016 Author Share Posted March 20, 2016 I don't know that anyone will pass Jaime Navarro, but Adam LaRoche's handling of this situation has definitely put him in the discussion. I was OK with his taking a stance, but the larger mess this turned into with each stage has really done some damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Nick Swisher and it isn't even close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 11:46 PM) I was watching MLB network a week or 2 ago and they were comparing Marlon Byrd's old stance to his new one. The older stance one they showed looked like Avi. Byrd was on his last legs then changed his stance either because of age or performance issues. Googling some of Byrd's highlights it seems as if he's altered his stance a few time. He used to have an open stance like LaRoche and a high knee lift , bat high slightly behind his head farther back. Now he's more like Rios ,stance not open at all with front leg pointed toward the pitcher, hands lower , bat straight up so less load to his swing, high knee lift gone. He's done a good job because he was released a few years ago and now has been quite valuable. My point being it's the end of the season and Avi should fool around with his stance and hand positioning , leg kick , etc. and see how it feels to him. I know his main issue is probably pitch recognition but if he could get a longer look at the ball, lessen his load, and keep his hands through the zone longer he may improve as Byrd did. I think Stevenson did just as I suggested to Avi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Ron Santo, when he was with the White Sox in 1974. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 It's Adam Laroche now and it's not close. A successful season would redeem him from the most hated to merely afterthought, but if they suck this year I think you're right. I feel a deep, primal hatred for LaRoche that I usually only reserve Cubs or talentless Twins players who kill the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Ken Williams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Mar 20, 2016 -> 07:57 PM) Ken Williams Yeah, sorry. Just like I can't ever hate Ozzie, I can't ever hate Kenny. Without them, no 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 21, 2016 -> 02:22 AM) Yeah, sorry. Just like I can't ever hate Ozzie, I can't ever hate Kenny. Without them, no 2005. I was joking. I actually like Kenny more after all this LaRoche crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 For me it will always be Jaime Navarro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Mar 21, 2016 -> 02:23 PM) For me it will always be Jaime Navarro. there are several.... but the main one is royce clayton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Mar 21, 2016 -> 09:23 AM) For me it will always be Jaime Navarro. For anyone who would say LaRoche now, the one different between these guys is that LaRoche's friends all went to bat for him. Navarro's teammates all f***ing hated the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Mar 21, 2016 -> 09:23 AM) For me it will always be Jaime Navarro. Same with me. There are plenty of guys I hated as players because they really sucked, but this is the one guy I would actually boo. His attitude was atrocious. He actually cried about run support in a game he gave up 9 runs. He is a AAA pitching coach right now. He is actually one of the last guys I would have thought would have been a coach in pro ball. Schueler actually got Eldred and Valentin for him and John Snyder. One of the greatest trades in team history. Edited March 21, 2016 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) Yep, still Navarro for me. I still remember when Karim Garcia went yard off Navarro and cleared the roof in old Tiger Stadium. I forget who said it, I think it's was a sports writer, but they said something along the lines of how the Sox needed to bring a U-haul on road trips to carry Navarro's ERA. I'm going to see if I can find that. Edit: found it. Steve Rosenbloom.... BIG DEAL? The Mets believe that starter Al Leiter will be out for another five weeks because of a knee injury, so they're calling around for pitching, including Juan Guzman of Toronto. Think the Mets could be suckered into taking Wipe Sox starter Jaime Navarro the way they got hosed into taking Cubs reliever Mel Rojas last year? Here's the deal: The Mets pay for Navarro's plane ticket and the Sox pop for the U-Haul to move his ERA. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-07...ent-fiesta-bowl Edited March 21, 2016 by BlackSox13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 21, 2016 -> 02:34 PM) Same with me. There are plenty of guys I hated as players because they really sucked, but this is the one guy I would actually boo. His attitude was atrocious. He actually cried about run support in a game he gave up 9 runs. He is a AAA pitching coach right now. He is actually one of the last guys I would have thought would have been a coach in pro ball. as bad as navarro was, so was clayton. no sat with him in st for meal, he had the whole table for him self, he was rude and forget about the games after 9-11.... that for me, incensed me. refusing to come out and stand at attention for the memorial. instead he sat in the dugout. read bjmarte comments http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/lofiversion/....php?t1888.html i wish i could find the newspaper article on the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Nothing wrong with not standing for 9/11, but if none of his teammates sat with him for Lunch, that's pretty sad (unless he wanted it that way). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 QUOTE (iWin4Ron @ Mar 21, 2016 -> 03:20 PM) Nothing wrong with not standing for 9/11, but if none of his teammates sat with him for Lunch, that's pretty sad (unless he wanted it that way). wait a minute, i can understand freedom if choice, but this was an agreement that the whole mbl unions wanted a combine unity of standing for the 1st game back after the 9/11 incident. and there was clayton in the dugout while both teams players where standing for the memorial done by mlb for the victims of 9/11. and you are ok with this???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 and you are ok with this???? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Jack29 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 QUOTE (LDF @ Mar 21, 2016 -> 08:25 AM) there are several.... but the main one is royce clayton. Yep. I'd give Nick Swisher an honorable mention as well. Given that the Sox turned Navarro into Jose Valentin, I'd say that LaRoche may be the Sox's worst free agent signing in my lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Mar 21, 2016 -> 10:24 PM) Yep. I'd give Nick Swisher an honorable mention as well. Given that the Sox turned Navarro into Jose Valentin, I'd say that LaRoche may be the Sox's worst free agent signing in my lifetime. performance wise, AL was bad, but he was never a bad teammate..... he was a bad employee to the sox org, but i am taking this idea of worst player, as in bad teammate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckweaver Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 In this conversation, David Wells is the only guy I put on the big club. All the rest (and there are many) are but farmhands to that major league asshat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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