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QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Aug 30, 2015 -> 10:12 PM)
Still need more patience with Avi. He's still learning and it's his first full season. This team isn't going anywhere so let's just wait and see how he progresses to end the year and in spring training. Let he and Trayce battle it out. Competitions good.

 

I was watching MLB network a week or 2 ago and they were comparing Marlon Byrd's old stance to his new one. The older stance one they showed looked like Avi. Byrd was on his last legs then changed his stance either because of age or performance issues. Googling some of Byrd's highlights it seems as if he's altered his stance a few time. He used to have an open stance like LaRoche and a high knee lift , bat high slightly behind his head farther back. Now he's more like Rios ,stance not open at all with front leg pointed toward the pitcher, hands lower , bat straight up so less load to his swing, high knee lift gone.

 

He's done a good job because he was released a few years ago and now has been quite valuable.

 

My point being it's the end of the season and Avi should fool around with his stance and hand positioning , leg kick , etc. and see how it feels to him. I know his main issue is probably pitch recognition but if he could get a longer look at the ball, lessen his load, and keep his hands through the zone longer he may improve as Byrd did.

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QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 11:46 PM)
I was watching MLB network a week or 2 ago and they were comparing Marlon Byrd's old stance to his new one. The older stance one they showed looked like Avi. Byrd was on his last legs then changed his stance either because of age or performance issues. Googling some of Byrd's highlights it seems as if he's altered his stance a few time. He used to have an open stance like LaRoche and a high knee lift , bat high slightly behind his head farther back. Now he's more like Rios ,stance not open at all with front leg pointed toward the pitcher, hands lower , bat straight up so less load to his swing, high knee lift gone.

 

He's done a good job because he was released a few years ago and now has been quite valuable.

 

My point being it's the end of the season and Avi should fool around with his stance and hand positioning , leg kick , etc. and see how it feels to him. I know his main issue is probably pitch recognition but if he could get a longer look at the ball, lessen his load, and keep his hands through the zone longer he may improve as Byrd did.

 

I think Stevenson did just as I suggested to Avi.

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It's Adam Laroche now and it's not close.

A successful season would redeem him from the most hated to merely afterthought, but if they suck this year I think you're right. I feel a deep, primal hatred for LaRoche that I usually only reserve Cubs or talentless Twins players who kill the Sox.

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QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Mar 21, 2016 -> 09:23 AM)
For me it will always be Jaime Navarro.

Same with me. There are plenty of guys I hated as players because they really sucked, but this is the one guy I would actually boo. His attitude was atrocious. He actually cried about run support in a game he gave up 9 runs.

 

He is a AAA pitching coach right now. He is actually one of the last guys I would have thought would have been a coach in pro ball.

 

Schueler actually got Eldred and Valentin for him and John Snyder. One of the greatest trades in team history.

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Yep, still Navarro for me. I still remember when Karim Garcia went yard off Navarro and cleared the roof in old Tiger Stadium.

 

I forget who said it, I think it's was a sports writer, but they said something along the lines of how the Sox needed to bring a U-haul on road trips to carry Navarro's ERA. :lol:

 

I'm going to see if I can find that.

 

Edit: found it. Steve Rosenbloom....

 

BIG DEAL?

 

The Mets believe that starter Al Leiter will be out for another five weeks because of a knee injury, so they're calling around for pitching, including Juan Guzman of Toronto.

 

Think the Mets could be suckered into taking Wipe Sox starter Jaime Navarro the way they got hosed into taking Cubs reliever Mel Rojas last year?

 

Here's the deal: The Mets pay for Navarro's plane ticket and the Sox pop for the U-Haul to move his ERA.

 

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-07...ent-fiesta-bowl

 

:lolhitting

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 21, 2016 -> 02:34 PM)
Same with me. There are plenty of guys I hated as players because they really sucked, but this is the one guy I would actually boo. His attitude was atrocious. He actually cried about run support in a game he gave up 9 runs.

 

He is a AAA pitching coach right now. He is actually one of the last guys I would have thought would have been a coach in pro ball.

as bad as navarro was, so was clayton. no sat with him in st for meal, he had the whole table for him self, he was rude and forget about the games after 9-11.... that for me, incensed me. refusing to come out and stand at attention for the memorial. instead he sat in the dugout.

 

read bjmarte comments

 

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/lofiversion/....php?t1888.html

 

i wish i could find the newspaper article on the story.

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QUOTE (iWin4Ron @ Mar 21, 2016 -> 03:20 PM)
Nothing wrong with not standing for 9/11, but if none of his teammates sat with him for Lunch, that's pretty sad (unless he wanted it that way).

 

wait a minute, i can understand freedom if choice, but this was an agreement that the whole mbl unions wanted a combine unity of standing for the 1st game back after the 9/11 incident.

 

and there was clayton in the dugout while both teams players where standing for the memorial done by mlb for the victims of 9/11.

 

and you are ok with this????

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QUOTE (LDF @ Mar 21, 2016 -> 08:25 AM)
there are several.... but the main one is royce clayton.

 

Yep. I'd give Nick Swisher an honorable mention as well.

 

Given that the Sox turned Navarro into Jose Valentin, I'd say that LaRoche may be the Sox's worst free agent signing in my lifetime.

 

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QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Mar 21, 2016 -> 10:24 PM)
Yep. I'd give Nick Swisher an honorable mention as well.

 

Given that the Sox turned Navarro into Jose Valentin, I'd say that LaRoche may be the Sox's worst free agent signing in my lifetime.

 

performance wise, AL was bad, but he was never a bad teammate..... he was a bad employee to the sox org, but i am taking this idea of worst player, as in bad teammate.

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