harkness99 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 This team regresses down the stretch year after year... A manager and coaching staff that can't win it its own division. What a horrible and utter failure of an experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 QUOTE (harkness @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 10:49 PM) This team regresses down the stretch year after year... A manager and coaching staff that can't win it its own division. What a horrible and utter failure of an experiment. The kids better start playing or I will completely tune out. Oh yea, and RV can be fired tomorrow!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) Regarding your post ... I know baseball can't be compared to the real world, but there are gads of White Sox employees behind the scenes involved trying to make a living here ... and failing. Can you believe the White Sox higher ups were dumb enough to believe this team would be able to vie for a one-game wildcard thus made NO MOVES at the break? In the real world, this is unacceptable and so many people are fired. For instance ... the projection was totally incorrect. Whether it was Hahn, Kenny, Robin ... unless it was Jerry (which it could have been), heads should roll. The Sox had a lot of bodies that could have been dealt for some valuable pieces. Just the fact they probably could have gotten rid of last winter's acquisitions and failed to pull the trigger on trades is unacceptable. We should right now be like Detroit, starting a rebuild without Melky, LaRoche, Robertson, Duke. Those 4 guys could have been dealt and think of the $$$ it woulda freed to try for better players. As far as your main point in your post, just as the Ozzie era pretty much had to end, this Robin era has to end. You all get mad at me for repeating myself, but nobody seems to address my comment. How in the hell can we expect to avoid a season-opening sweep against whatever Central Division team we open with next year and how in the hell can we expect to avoid the same pattern of s***tiness (bad performance on road; bad performance in all divisional games, only a so-so performance at home) under Robin and his staff?? The White Sox utter failure the last 2 seasons means the whole coaching staff and most of the front office needs to go. Now will it magically improve the White Sox? Probably not, but we know one thing: The pattern has been set in stone and this regime won't be able to change the discourse. Who is with me: FIRE EVERYBODY (staff and most of the everyday players). -- p.s. If they hire Dave Martinez or Alomar or Bell, I am going to puke. As far as GM ... Dombrowski was available. Now he's not. Edited September 3, 2015 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Sucking under Ventura in September is a staple of his tenure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 10:57 PM) Regarding your post ... I know baseball can't be compared to the real world, but there are gads of White Sox employees behind the scenes involved trying to make a living here ... and failing. Can you believe the White Sox higher ups were dumb enough to believe this team would be able to vie for a one-game wildcard thus made NO MOVES at the break? In the real world, this is unacceptable and so many people are fired. For instance ... the projection was totally incorrect. Whether it was Hahn, Kenny, Robin ... unless it was Jerry (which it could have been), heads should roll. The Sox had a lot of bodies that could have been dealt for some valuable pieces. Just the fact they probably could have gotten rid of last winter's acquisitions and failed to pull the trigger on trades is unacceptable. We should right now be like Detroit, starting a rebuild without Melky, LaRoche, Robertson, Duke. Those 4 guys could have been dealt and think of the $$$ it woulda freed to try for better players. As far as your main point in your post, just as the Ozzie era pretty much had to end, this Robin era has to end. You all get mad at me for repeating myself, but nobody seems to address my comment. How in the hell can we expect to avoid a season-opening sweep against whatever Central Division team we open with next year and how in the hell can we expect to avoid the same pattern of s***tiness (bad performance on road; bad performance in all divisional games, only a so-so performance at home) under Robin and his staff?? The White Sox utter failure the last 2 seasons means the whole coaching staff and most of the front office needs to go. Now will it magically improve the White Sox? Probably not, but we know one thing: The pattern has been set in stone and this regime won't be able to change the discourse. Who is with me: FIRE EVERYBODY (staff and most of the everyday players). Lol, fire the players. I think you've been listening to too much trump Edited September 3, 2015 by ron883 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Man when did half the posts on this board just become complaining? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 11:02 PM) Man when did half the posts on this board just become complaining? When my team is this bad and it appears there is no hope it is hard not to complain!! Edited September 3, 2015 by Saufley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Really wanted the team to be .500 this year, thought that would give me some excitement of a wild card race late into the season. But outside of about 6 weeks of nice baseball, man. In some ways I'm very optimistic about this team, but putting it all together just seems so impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 11:18 PM) Really wanted the team to be .500 this year, thought that would give me some excitement of a wild card race late into the season. But outside of about 6 weeks of nice baseball, man. In some ways I'm very optimistic about this team, but putting it all together just seems so impossible. Firing Ventura and KW will be a good start. They are Trestman and Emery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 03:20 AM) It is what it is. Ventura doesn't even bother managing. Saladino batting first was a telltale sign. Last season he batted f***ing Jordan Danks in the number one spot. Jordan f***ing Danks! He loves Saladino. That's apparent. Probably because despite his deficiencies he does try to move runners and go the other way. QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 04:02 AM) Man when did half the posts on this board just become complaining? ??? What else can we do? There's really nothing positive to discuss because of the continuing losing ways (patterns as well) of this team. It's a broken record. We could discuss Eaton's second half being good. But his arm is so damn weak. We could discuss Saladino and Sanchez being bright spots, but they've reverted back to being utility player prospects at best. We could discuss Trayce being great. We could discuss Sale's strikeouts I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 This place wouldn't complain so much if we had a good team. Everyone's tired of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 11:02 PM) Man when did half the posts on this board just become complaining? It's been going on for a bit now and I understand losing will do that but I hear where you're coming from. It's just better to turn and walk away rather than get caught up in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 05:23 AM) This place wouldn't complain so much if we had a good team. Everyone's tired of it. The only complaining that I think is stupid is the other night Avi hit a home run into the second deck and somebody said, "blind squirrel." I mean complaining after something good is dumb. I mean as much as I hate Melky, when the Sox were hot and he had several multi-hit games I at least credited him for that. Overall you have to complain because this team blows but I don't like complaints after somebody does something good. Like if Flowers goes 3-4 somebody will say, "Great, now Robin will keep playing him." Stuff like that is just bad. I'm not crazy about Eaton, either, but I have to give him credit for his average continuing to go up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 This team has a pretty kick ass pitching staff. I don't think people step back enough and take into account how woefully devoid of offensive talent this team is. It's easy to lay blame on a manager (I do too) but sober up and lay blame where it deserves to be: the front office. This offense is HISTORICALLY BAD and that is not an exaggeration. We are watching one of the worst offensive teams in the history of this franchise, one of the oldest franchises in all of baseball. If the position players were absolute studs on defense then you can scrape and claw your way into winning low scoring games but they're not. They're adequate, at best. If you think Robin Ventura is responsible for the poor offense then make your case. I think he's a player's manager who's laid back but I don't know what you say to an Adam LaRoche to make him hit the ball. I just don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 11:02 PM) Man when did half the posts on this board just become complaining? Any message board... of any team... in any sport that has 4 bad seasons in a row like this... You will find complaining/despair. We can't really change it but we can celebrate success... and lament disappointment Welcome to the interwebs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 10:57 PM) Regarding your post ... I know baseball can't be compared to the real world, but there are gads of White Sox employees behind the scenes involved trying to make a living here ... and failing. Can you believe the White Sox higher ups were dumb enough to believe this team would be able to vie for a one-game wildcard thus made NO MOVES at the break? In the real world, this is unacceptable and so many people are fired. For instance ... the projection was totally incorrect. Whether it was Hahn, Kenny, Robin ... unless it was Jerry (which it could have been), heads should roll. The Sox had a lot of bodies that could have been dealt for some valuable pieces. Just the fact they probably could have gotten rid of last winter's acquisitions and failed to pull the trigger on trades is unacceptable. We should right now be like Detroit, starting a rebuild without Melky, LaRoche, Robertson, Duke. Those 4 guys could have been dealt and think of the $$$ it woulda freed to try for better players. As far as your main point in your post, just as the Ozzie era pretty much had to end, this Robin era has to end. You all get mad at me for repeating myself, but nobody seems to address my comment. How in the hell can we expect to avoid a season-opening sweep against whatever Central Division team we open with next year and how in the hell can we expect to avoid the same pattern of s***tiness (bad performance on road; bad performance in all divisional games, only a so-so performance at home) under Robin and his staff?? The White Sox utter failure the last 2 seasons means the whole coaching staff and most of the front office needs to go. Now will it magically improve the White Sox? Probably not, but we know one thing: The pattern has been set in stone and this regime won't be able to change the discourse. Who is with me: FIRE EVERYBODY (staff and most of the everyday players). -- p.s. If they hire Dave Martinez or Alomar or Bell, I am going to puke. As far as GM ... Dombrowski was available. Now he's not. Detroit traded players who had expiring contracts and no compensation picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 02:06 AM) Detroit traded players who had expiring contracts and no compensation picks. We kept Shark, who very well may leave us without compensation. Sure, you'll say we weren't being overwhelmed with offers, the FO thought they were in contention, OR it was bad luck that he wet the bed post deadline; but that's too damn bad. Its their own fault for not trading him, they cannot afford to make ANY mistakes and that is a big one looming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 03:06 AM) Detroit traded players who had expiring contracts and no compensation picks. David Price would have had a compensation pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 12:02 AM) Man when did half the posts on this board just become complaining? 2002 when they started the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 11:02 PM) Man when did half the posts on this board just become complaining? Half would be an improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 11:18 PM) Really wanted the team to be .500 this year, thought that would give me some excitement of a wild card race late into the season. But outside of about 6 weeks of nice baseball, man. In some ways I'm very optimistic about this team, but putting it all together just seems so impossible. This is close to how I feel. I really thought the FO filled enough holes without mortgaging the future nicely. It would have been great if our rebuild only took 2 years, which actually looked possible after the offseason the Sox had. We still have some of the best young players in the game so I'm lookong forward to this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorkChopExpress Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 11:23 PM) This place wouldn't complain so much if we had a good team. Everyone's tired of it. Yes it would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 The pattern is more about a soft-tossing lefty being dominant against the Sox. All I heard on the broadcast last night is how they've always had trouble. This has been going on since the Jerry Manuel era. You would think by now, they would have figured it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Ah yes, that time of year on the Sox message boards: complaints, and the few die hards complaining about the complaints. That's the pattern! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) I strongly suggest reading Steve Rosenbloom's column on the Sox today in the Tribune. It is 100% right on the money. When the executive VP says publicly he can't figure out what's wrong with the team while the G.M. is saying publicly that everyone is open minded in what needs to be changed you've got a serious disconnect...to say nothing of the disconnect between the organization and the fan base. Really good reading. The reality of course is that as long as JR owns the franchise there will not be much substantial change certainly not bringing in skilled people from outside "the family." Which means more losing, more irrelevancy in their own market and more fan apathy. Also one of the other Sox writers for Chicago Now has an interesting column on why Kenny Williams needs to go at the Tribune web site. Mark Edited September 3, 2015 by Lip Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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