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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 12:38 PM)
Fulmer was thought to be maybe a tiny step behind where Rodon was. I could totally see him in the bigs next year and I could totally see him taking Danks's spot at some point during the year. I'd also agree with "not rushing him" but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him starting at AAA next year and moving up rapidly.

 

Yeah, it sounds like Fulmer is working on the change up down in Winston Salem just how Rodon was, so, if he keeps improving that into next year, I could see him up around the same time as Rodon was this year.

 

Sale, Quintana, Rodon, Johnson, Fulmer is really really good.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 12:38 PM)
Fulmer was thought to be maybe a tiny step behind where Rodon was. I could totally see him in the bigs next year and I could totally see him taking Danks's spot at some point during the year. I'd also agree with "not rushing him" but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him starting at AAA next year and moving up rapidly.

Would it be more likely to see Fulmer taking Danks' spot next year if we were contending or not contending?

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 12:47 PM)
Rodon was at Charlotte by this time last year. Their paths have already diverged.

 

Could that be that even though Fulmer might of been behind in terms of development than Rodon, that they were thinking about bringing up Rodon last September? Just because it has differed, doesn't mean that he won't start in AAA next year, so he can come up around the same time as Rodon did this year.

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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 12:49 PM)
Could that be that even though Fulmer might of been behind in terms of development than Rodon, that they were thinking about bringing up Rodon last September? Just because it has differed, doesn't mean that he won't start in AAA next year, so he can come up around the same time as Rodon did this year.

 

Rodon was one of the closest things you will ever find to a major league ready college arm. Hell, the Sox could have called him up on the day he signed as a closer. I don't think Fulmer is there at all. I also don't think he has anywhere close to the ceiling that Rodon has. I am not saying that Fulmer isn't good, but Rodon has a special type of ceiling.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 02:08 PM)
Rodon was one of the closest things you will ever find to a major league ready college arm. Hell, the Sox could have called him up on the day he signed as a closer. I don't think Fulmer is there at all. I also don't think he has anywhere close to the ceiling that Rodon has. I am not saying that Fulmer isn't good, but Rodon has a special type of ceiling.

FWIW, I think you're's significantly underrating Fulmer here. Both Fulmer and Rodon have seriously dominant stuff, mid 90's fastball for Fulmer paired with power curveball in the mid 80s, both of them needed to work on a changeup as a 3rd pitch, Fulmer probably has a more violent motion than Rodon but that also makes him possibly harder for the hitter to pick up. Their senior year, Fulmer actually pitched more innings than Rodon, had a worse walk rate (2.8 per nine compared to 3.5) but Fulmer had a better K rate and gave up fewer hits per inning. Hell, Fulmer threw 30 more innings than Rodon and gave up fewer hits overall.

 

Given the choice between the two yes, you take the lefty, but both of them are showing some absolutely dominant numbers and skills, and if you like K rates and shutting down hitters, Fulmer wins those stats.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 01:08 PM)
Rodon was one of the closest things you will ever find to a major league ready college arm. Hell, the Sox could have called him up on the day he signed as a closer. I don't think Fulmer is there at all. I also don't think he has anywhere close to the ceiling that Rodon has. I am not saying that Fulmer isn't good, but Rodon has a special type of ceiling.

Yea totally. To confirm your point one only needs to remember the 2 season hype-train that followed Rodon: the game against Cuba, his ridiculously nasty slider, extensive ESPN coverage, #TRTR etc. the dude was a legend a year before he was drafted. Not saying that Fulmer can't develop to be just as good, but he's got some work to do to get the scouts drooling. Big shoes to fill if anyone wants to compare his level of readiness to Sale or Rodon.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 02:14 PM)
FWIW, I think you're's significantly underrating Fulmer here. Both Fulmer and Rodon have seriously dominant stuff, mid 90's fastball for Fulmer paired with power curveball in the mid 80s, both of them needed to work on a changeup as a 3rd pitch, Fulmer probably has a more violent motion than Rodon but that also makes him possibly harder for the hitter to pick up. Their senior year, Fulmer actually pitched more innings than Rodon, had a worse walk rate (2.8 per nine compared to 3.5) but Fulmer had a better K rate and gave up fewer hits per inning. Hell, Fulmer threw 30 more innings than Rodon and gave up fewer hits overall.

 

Given the choice between the two yes, you take the lefty, but both of them are showing some absolutely dominant numbers and skills, and if you like K rates and shutting down hitters, Fulmer wins those stats.

 

I think Fulmer's ceiling is around a #2 starter. I think Rodon's is a workhorse version of Chris Sale.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 03:16 PM)
I think Fulmer's ceiling is around a #2 starter. I think Rodon's is a workhorse version of Chris Sale.

Stats wise, Fulmer's fastball comes in harder than Sonny Gray's when he was drafted per scouting reports and Fulmer's numbers at Vandy are better than Sonny Gray's were. Both have generally similar knocks of being undersized and their motions are even somewhat similar. Fulmer's ceiling I see as comparable to Sonny Gray, who is in the top 5 in the Cy Young race in the AL this year.

 

Whether he will make that ceiling I don't know, but you asked that standard.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 02:21 PM)
Stats wise, Fulmer's fastball comes in harder than Sonny Gray's when he was drafted per scouting reports and Fulmer's numbers at Vandy are better than Sonny Gray's were. Both have generally similar knocks of being undersized and their motions are even somewhat similar. Fulmer's ceiling I see as comparable to Sonny Gray, who is in the top 5 in the Cy Young race in the AL this year.

 

Whether he will make that ceiling I don't know, but you asked that standard.

 

I think you are depending way too much on college stats, and not enough on scouting and stuff.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 02:16 PM)
I think Fulmer's ceiling is around a #2 starter. I think Rodon's is a workhorse version of Chris Sale.

 

The fact that Erik Johnson or Frankie Montas could be our worst starter in 2 years gives me all the feels

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QUOTE (Dunt @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 02:39 PM)
The fact that Erik Johnson or Frankie Montas could be our worst starter in 2 years gives me all the feels

 

The system is as stocked with potential starting arms as I've ever seen it. Fulmer, Montas, Adams, Guerrero, Danish, Beck, Jaye, Lowry, and Clark all could easily end up as starters in various parts of a rotation.

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QUOTE (southside hitman @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 02:50 PM)
The system is as stocked with potential starting arms as I've ever seen it. Fulmer, Montas, Adams, Guerrero, Danish, Beck, Jaye, Lowry, and Clark all could easily end up as starters in various parts of a rotation.

Yes and I think a bunch of our hitters are going to be popping up on radars in the next year or two. The new draft system has done wonders for the White Sox. That's why I think FA (Heyward) is an excellent way to bridge the 2-3 year gap so we can compete while the farm moves toward the top of the lists. The farm is about to be stacked if not already. Time to shell out some big bucks and win a WS before we become the Cardinals in a few years!

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QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 08:03 PM)
Yes and I think a bunch of our hitters are going to be popping up on radars in the next year or two. The new draft system has done wonders for the White Sox. That's why I think FA (Heyward) is an excellent way to bridge the 2-3 year gap so we can compete while the farm moves toward the top of the lists. The farm is about to be stacked if not already. Time to shell out some big bucks and win a WS before we become the Cardinals in a few years!

 

as i been mentioning some where else, it all depends on the record of the sox at the end of the season. in other words, would the draft pick be protected or not.

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Super random pipe dreamish.... I read that David Price is Fulmers mentor. If we can get an offensive haul for Q, would you consider bringing in Price?

 

I wouldn't do it without the said Q hual, with it though? Thoughts?

 

Sale-Price-Rodon-Fulmer with an offensive rehaul from a Q trade could be sexy.

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QUOTE (scs787 @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 11:25 PM)
Super random pipe dreamish.... I read that David Price is Fulmers mentor. If we can get an offensive haul for Q, would you consider bringing in Price?

 

I wouldn't do it with the said Q hual, with it though? Thoughts?

 

Sale-Price-Rodon-Fulmer with an offensive rehaul from a Q trade could be sexy.

 

 

in a heart beat. that would be my #1 free agent.

 

but not if the sox pick is not protected. but i would need to be convince why i am wrong.

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I certainly like the idea of Price and not long ago I thought it would be a great idea. Then I looked at the contract Lester got last year and realized there's no chance.

 

Lester: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...shtml#contracts

 

Does anyone really believe the Sox are the kind of team that will spend 1/5 of its payroll on one player?

 

Sorry, not happening.

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QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Sep 5, 2015 -> 04:46 AM)
Ya I think Price ends up in CHC. I could care less. I want a couple bats. Heyward and a 3B.

 

 

and that is where i am waiting for the end of the season. to see who has the top 10.

 

2nd thing, it all going to depend on what the owner wants to do, meaning $$$$ on the spending.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 02:21 PM)
Stats wise, Fulmer's fastball comes in harder than Sonny Gray's when he was drafted per scouting reports and Fulmer's numbers at Vandy are better than Sonny Gray's were. Both have generally similar knocks of being undersized and their motions are even somewhat similar. Fulmer's ceiling I see as comparable to Sonny Gray, who is in the top 5 in the Cy Young race in the AL this year.

 

Whether he will make that ceiling I don't know, but you asked that standard.

 

FYI, Fulmer was most compared to Lincecum (who I like as a comparison alot) and Rodon with Price. Mike can figure out which pitcher he thinks is better if he wants, but I'll take a poor man's version of both.

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