nitetrain8601 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 03:07 PM) Just give me Heyward. Then move Q in a blockbuster for Arenado. Then add a SP in FA. Q won't happen straight up for Arenado. Sox would have to send 2 or 3 prospects with Q. It would take Sale for Colorado to sell Arenado. He's that damn good at a premium position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I never said Quintana for Frazier. I said Hahn is going to try to get Frazier. Not sure what he'd have to give up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 There has been this sentiment on the board that Seager and Arenado would be easy to get that I don't quite understand. Frankly, the big move was missing out on Donaldson last year. There just aren't going to be youngish power hitting 3b available. Except MAtT DAVIDSON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) At least Q has better value here. Last year on this very board Q for Jay Bruce was considered a good idea, and now we b**** at Hahn for signing LaRoche. Anyone know what is going to be available from Japan this winter? That market has been pretty quiet recently. Edited October 4, 2015 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 09:46 AM) At least Q has better value here. Last year on this very board Q for Jay Bruce was considered a good idea, and now we b**** at Hahn for signing LaRoche. Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 09:49 AM) Yikes. There was probably 1 or 2 people on the board that said it, I wouldn't think much of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Kang obviously would have been a very nice get, too. Since we just know KW wasn't going to get Donaldson anyway, it's pointless to even think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Kang obviously would have been a very nice get, too. Since we just know KW wasn't going to get Donaldson anyway, it's pointless to even think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 10:40 AM) Kang obviously would have been a very nice get, too. Since we just know KW wasn't going to get Donaldson anyway, it's pointless to even think about. It's not pointless to think about. This team needs elite talent more than average upgrades at every position. That elite players in position of need will be on trade market and we still will not have organizational depth to make those trades is a huge issue. Who will be this years Donaldson? Does anyone feel like we are ever a good match in those trades unless we trade our top ten pitcher? That's embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 09:46 AM) At least Q has better value here. Last year on this very board Q for Jay Bruce was considered a good idea, and now we b**** at Hahn for signing LaRoche. And the year before that it was Q for Jason Castro. Q, for whatever reason, is still undervalued on this board. I just don't get it. As for Frazier. Cannot say I like the idea of trading for yet another player heading into their last season before free agency. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Trade for Frazier. Sign Heyward. LaRoche to the bench, Melky to DH, Trayce to CF. LF Eaton RF Heyward 1B Abreu 3B Frazier DH Cabrera CF Thompson C Flowers SS Saladino 2B Sanchez SP Sale SP Quintana SP Rodon SP Johnson SP Danks CL Robertson SU Jones SU Duke RP Petricka RP Albers RP Putnam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I personally think we should pick up Alexei's option. He came around both offensively and defensively as the year went on. Saladino would provide similar or better defense, but his hitting would be atrocious as an everyday player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) Who says no? A. Garcia, Fulmer, M. Johnson, Beck, and Montas for Arenado and Jairo Diaz Edited October 4, 2015 by Jose Abreu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 05:40 PM) Who says no? A. Garcia, Fulmer, M. Johnson, Montas, Beck, and Montas for Arenado and Jairo Diaz Garcia almost feels like he has negative value at this point, and including him in the deal makes things worse. Think the Rockies still say no though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 09:46 AM) At least Q has better value here. Last year on this very board Q for Jay Bruce was considered a good idea, and now we b**** at Hahn for signing LaRoche. oh my god I remember that *shudders* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted October 4, 2015 Author Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) Extend Qualifying Offer to SP Jeff Samardzija- he declines, Sox get a comp pick Pick up 10 option for SS Alexei Ramirez Resign: RP Matt Albers 1 year/3 million C Tyler Flowers 1 year/2 million Sign via Free Agency: RF Jason Heyward 8 years/180 million (opt out clause after 4 years/100 million) Trades: White Sox trade RP Zach Putnam to the Houston Astros for C Jason Castro White Sox trade 3B Trey Michalczewski, 2B Micah Johnson, SP Frankie Montas, OF Avi Garcia, and SP Tyler Danish for 3B Todd Frazier and SP Jonathan Crawford Rotation/Bullpen: SP Chris Sale (L) SP Jose Quintana (L) SP Carlos Rodon (L) SP Erik Johnson SP John Danks (L) (Until Fulmer is ready) RP Scott Carroll (Long Man) RP Dan Jennings (L) RP Jake Petricka RP Zach Duke (L) RP Matt Albers RP Nate Jones CP David Robertson Lineup: LF Adam Eaton (L) 1B Jose Abreu RF Jason Heyward (L) 3B Todd Frazier DH Melky Cabrera (S) CF Trayce Thompson C Jason Castro (L) SS Alexei Ramirez 2B Carlos Sanchez (S) Bench: OF J.B Shuck 1B Adam LaRoche C Tyler Flowers UTIL Tyler Saladino After this year the Sox would free up 38 million by letting Ramirez, LaRoche, and Danks go. Edited October 4, 2015 by SoxPride18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 05:58 PM) Extend Qualifying Offer to SP Jeff Samardzija- he declines, Sox get a comp pick Pick up 10 option for SS Alexei Ramirez Resign: RP Matt Albers 1 year/3 million C Tyler Flowers 1 year/2 million Sign via Free Agency: RF Jason Heyward 8 years/180 million (opt out clause after 4 years/100 million) Trades: White Sox trade RP Zach Putnam to the Houston Astros for C Jason Castro White Sox trade 3B Trey Michalczewski, SP Frankie Montas, OF Avi Garcia, and SP Tyler Danish for 3B Todd Frazier and SP Jonathan Crawford Rotation/Bullpen: SP Chris Sale (L) SP Jose Quintana (L) SP Carlos Rodon (L) SP Erik Johnson SP John Danks (L) (Until Fulmer is ready) RP Scott Carroll (Long Man) RP Dan Jennings (L) RP Jake Petricka RP Zach Duke (L) RP Matt Albers RP Nate Jones CP David Robertson Lineup: LF Adam Eaton (L) 1B Jose Abreu RF Jason Heyward (L) 3B Todd Frazier DH Melky Cabrera (S) CF Trayce Thompson C Jason Castro (L) SS Alexei Ramirez 2B Carlos Sanchez (S) Bench: OF J.B Shuck 1B Adam LaRoche C Tyler Flowers UTIL Tyler Saladino After this year the Sox would free up 38 million by letting Ramirez, LaRoche, and Danks go. Do you know how bad Jason Castro has been offensively the past two years? No way he'd bat over Alexei and Sanchez. And 8/180 for Heyward? I think he'd want something like 8/260. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 With the Ventura renewal, I had the crazy idea that the White Sox should stand pat and make Ventura manage this team better next year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 06:40 PM) Who says no? A. Garcia, Fulmer, M. Johnson, Montas, Beck, and Montas for Arenado and Jairo Diaz The person you commissioned to clone Montas has announced that you cannot afford their cloning service. They've said no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 06:03 PM) The person you commissioned to clone Montas has announced that you cannot afford their cloning service. They've said no. Maybe I meant this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted October 4, 2015 Author Share Posted October 4, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 06:01 PM) Do you know how bad Jason Castro has been offensively the past two years? No way he'd bat over Alexei and Sanchez. And 8/180 for Heyward? I think he'd want something like 8/260. 8/180 is 22.5 million a year. 8/260 is 32.5 million a year. That isn't happening lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 05:44 PM) Garcia almost feels like he has negative value at this point, and including him in the deal makes things worse. Think the Rockies still say no though. Let's not forget the Rockies already have better outfielders than Avi, Micah can't stay healthy and the Rockies already have a better 2B in LaMahieu, Beck only pitched 54 innings this year due to elbow inflammation, Montas needs more time to see if he can stick as a starter so the only thing enticing in that package from the Rockies POV is an under-sized starting pitcher by the name of Fulmer. I don't think the Rockies just say no, they say f*** no and laugh off into the sunset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted October 4, 2015 Author Share Posted October 4, 2015 And I edited my Cincinnati proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 06:05 PM) Let's not forget the Rockies already have better outfielders than Avi, Micah can't stay healthy and the Rockies already have a better 2B in LaMahieu, Beck only pitched 54 innings this year due to elbow inflammation, Montas needs more time to see if he can stick as a starter so the only thing enticing in that package from the Rockies POV is an under-sized starting pitcher by the name of Fulmer. I don't think the Rockies just say no, they say f*** no and laugh off into the sunset. They have CarGo and Blackmon in the OF. Avi would have a spot there. Micah isn't necessarily a 2B, he has the tools to be converted to something else. I know Beck was injured, so what? Doesn't mean he can't be traded. He's just a throw-in. Montas does need more time- when did I say he would be thrown right into their rotation? Fulmer has all-star potential as a SP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted October 4, 2015 Author Share Posted October 4, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 06:08 PM) They have CarGo and Blackmon in the OF. Avi would have a spot there. Micah isn't necessarily a 2B, he has the tools to be converted to something else. I know Beck was injured, so what? Doesn't mean he can't be traded. He's just a throw-in. Montas does need more time- when did I say he would be thrown right into their rotation? Fulmer has all-star potential as a SP. They also have Dickerson and David Dahl coming up soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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