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I think at a crossroads. For me, I think he jumped out there and was great and then he has not really continued on that path. You’ve been around the game a long time, and a lot of sports. Guys will jump out that first year to throw the magic out there, and then there’s a league change. Teams are going to gear up for you, continue to make adjustments to get you out. If you don’t continue to work and continue to make adjustments, then you get stuck. Obviously the talent is there. The talent is off the charts. But he’ll have to make some adjustments.

 

Don Mattingly on Puig, latimes.com/sports

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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 08:09 AM)
Awww Caulfield, your boy Puig isnt the best Right Center Left fielder since the best Right Center Left fielder

 

That said, who has more potential superstar offensive upside at his age at a discounted, "buy low" price...at the current moment?

 

Waiting with bated breath.

 

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 09:17 AM)
That said, who has more potential superstar offensive upside at his age at a discounted, "buy low" price...at the current moment?

 

Waiting with bated breath.

 

that said, where do you see this discounted price that you are speaking of? Did Mattingly infer it in his comments about the league adjusting to him?

 

Waiting with bated breath.

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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 02:28 PM)
that said, where do you see this discounted price that you are speaking of? Did Mattingly infer it in his comments about the league adjusting to him?

 

Waiting with bated breath.

 

i am not taking sides in this discussion.

 

i just want to make an observation. Puig is still an unknown and now with some of the things about him that may come out, not willing to make any changes to his swing or approach, or anything like that.

 

well he may be a person who will be sold low. however, many teams who think they can make some minor adjustment or the fact that he is too talented to sell low, the dodgers still may ask a kings ransom.

 

no one will know until the off season is in full swing.

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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 08:28 AM)
that said, where do you see this discounted price that you are speaking of? Did Mattingly infer it in his comments about the league adjusting to him?

 

Waiting with bated breath.

 

Most of the trade proposals I see here have Q going for Puig AND a prospect not named Seager, Urias, DeLeon, Holmes or Bolsinger.

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 09:47 AM)
Most of the trade proposals I see here have Q going for Puig AND a prospect not named Seager, Urias, DeLeon, Holmes or Bolsinger.

 

Oh I see, so trade proposals on soxtalk are now to be taken as what is really happening now. I see

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 09:17 AM)
That said, who has more potential superstar offensive upside at his age at a discounted, "buy low" price...at the current moment?

 

Waiting with bated breath.

 

 

I'd still take the chance on Puig. I just read Molly Knight's book "The Best Team Money Can Buy" about the Dodgers. It's really good and there is tons of Puig stuff in there. It talks about how the White Sox were one of the few teams that scouted him and really wanted him. Part of the reason why Dodgers offered so much money at the time.

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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 10:07 AM)
I'd still take the chance on Puig. I just read Molly Knight's book "The Best Team Money Can Buy" about the Dodgers. It's really good and there is tons of Puig stuff in there. It talks about how the White Sox were one of the few teams that scouted him and really wanted him. Part of the reason why Dodgers offered so much money at the time.

 

Not surprising. I wanted Hector Olivera, too. Moncada was always going to be unrealistic.

 

Fwiw, that book's on my reading list. I think she writes for the LA Times. Seems the Dodgers are really hitting the pitching market and realize paying Greinke even with his smooth, repeatable delivery into his late 30's isn't very wise even for a $300 million payroll team.

 

Any reason to think Hanley Ramirez would work out better with us than the Red Sox?

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 11:23 AM)
Not surprising. I wanted Hector Olivera, too. Moncada was always going to be unrealistic.

 

That book's on my reading list. Seems the Dodgers are really hitting the pitching market and realize paying Greinke even with his smooth, repeatable delivery into his late 30's isn't very wise even for a $300 million payroll team.

Interested to see how much Greinke gets paid this offseason. Given his age though I think he'll easily be the worst contract handed out this year when it's all said and done.

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QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 10:25 AM)
Interested to see how much Greinke gets paid this offseason. Given his age though I think he'll easily be the worst contract handed out this year when it's all said and done.

 

Has to be $175-200 million.

 

Price might be a tick higher due to his being relatively younger and LH and has also experienced success in AL more recently. Albeit not the post-season.

 

Cueto should be $145-165 for an NL team, particularly if he pitches at least one superb game against the Mets.

 

Zimmermann in the same vicinity. Wouldn't be shocked if he got more than Cueto, especially if Johnny gets rocked once or twice more under glare of the bright lights.

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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 11:07 AM)
I'd still take the chance on Puig. I just read Molly Knight's book "The Best Team Money Can Buy" about the Dodgers. It's really good and there is tons of Puig stuff in there. It talks about how the White Sox were one of the few teams that scouted him and really wanted him. Part of the reason why Dodgers offered so much money at the time.

 

If the price is right, he could be huge in the middle of our line up. What the Dodgers are asking is the $42 million question.

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QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 12:21 PM)
Am I crazy, or would you guys be ok with the Sox trading Danks/LaRoche for ARod?

 

I don't like ARod in the slightest, but he's still a better hitter than LaRoche.

 

Alex is still owned 2 more years at $21 million each. He has had one year out of the last five that have been anywhere near worth anything at all. He also still has the mess of his bonuses hanging over him.

 

I'd rather have Danks and LaRoche for one year and have the payroll next year.

 

IF the Sox took a chance on Arod, I'd rather see it be for a Josh Hamilton to the Rangers type of deal where the Yankees pay down a ton of his contract and assume most of the risk, which I don't know is even possible anymore.

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Enough of the wishing for A-Rod, Papelbon, Hanley, etc... if the White Sox were smart, they would want nothing to do with these guys. Hanley's defense alone would make him the new Soxtalk whipping boy, and his offense isn't very good either anymore. Papelbon is a disaster in the clubhouse and he had been known as a dick even before the Harper incident. A-Rod is A-Rod. Do I even need to explain that? Plus, aside from his personality/the guaranteed negative reaction from Sox fans and his "legacy", there's his contract. No thanks.

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QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 06:29 PM)
Enough of the wishing for A-Rod, Papelbon, Hanley, etc... if the White Sox were smart, they would want nothing to do with these guys. Hanley's defense alone would make him the new Soxtalk whipping boy, and his offense isn't very good either anymore. Papelbon is a disaster in the clubhouse and he had been known as a dick even before the Harper incident. A-Rod is A-Rod. Do I even need to explain that? Plus, aside from his personality/the guaranteed negative reaction from Sox fans and his "legacy", there's his contract. No thanks.

 

Add Latos to the team cancers they should avoid

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QUOTE (raBBit @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 01:45 PM)
Yeah, the Sox should keep bringing in the "good guys" like LaRoche/Cabrera/Duke and the leaders like Samardzija.

 

You have a serious problem with your evaluations. You only look at the most recent sample. You don't really offer any type of alternatives, just bag on everything everyone else offers,

I actually have offered many ideas of my own. The sad reality is that this is a relatively weak FA class and the best position available happens to be our strength, which is starting pitching.

 

I'm not saying that the Sox shouldn't bring in anyone who has a bad history in the clubhouse, but come on, Papelbon is a cancer and A-Rod would bring so much negative publicity to the team.

 

You want me to suggest an alternative, so I guess I will. That would be not trading for Papelbon (simply because we don't need to and LaRoche is nearly untradeable) and not trading for A-Rod and perhaps going after Martin Prado instead.

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QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 03:47 PM)
I actually have offered many ideas of my own. The sad reality is that this is a relatively weak FA class and the best position available happens to be our strength, which is starting pitching.

 

I'm not saying that the Sox shouldn't bring in anyone who has a bad history in the clubhouse, but come on, Papelbon is a cancer and A-Rod would bring so much negative publicity to the team.

 

You want me to suggest an alternative, so I guess I will. That would be not trading for Papelbon (simply because we don't need to and LaRoche is nearly untradeable) and not trading for A-Rod and perhaps going after Martin Prado instead.

Is this really that weak of a free agent class? Go check out next year's class. I really beleive people need to re-think what a quality free agent class looks like now that a higher percentage of players are being locked-up early in their careers.

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FA classes seem to suck every year. Yet the good teams make solid additions. We need to go out and be aggressive again.

 

 

My number one goal for this offseason is protection for Abreu. Need a bat behind him.

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QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 06:17 PM)
FA classes seem to suck every year. Yet the good teams make solid additions. We need to go out and be aggressive again.

 

 

My number one goal for this offseason is protection for Abreu. Need a bat behind him.

 

I 100% agree. Unless the Sox can get better hitting, especially situational hitting, all the best starting pitching in the world doesn't mean anything.

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QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Oct 29, 2015 -> 11:06 AM)
Just throwing it out there, but any interest in Jedd Gyorko if the Padres wanted to get out of his contract cheap? Since they seem to perpetually never have a 1B a Laroche + B level prospect for Gyorko trade make any sense?

 

I'd rather have Sanchez at 2B than take on Gyrko's contract and give up an asset like a B level prospect.

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