Bob Sacamano Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 07:22 AM) We still owe Alexei for overperforming his original deal (in the eyes of JR). No way he's gone. I don't think anyone is disagreeing. He will be here but his option won't get picked up (or shouldn't any way). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 1, 2015 -> 10:43 AM) Your plan has about as much of a chance of happening as you becoming a Disney Princess. Disneyworld has vacation packages that allow that to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 09:12 AM) I don't see how the White Sox can make enough moves to make us that much better. Plus we still have Robin Ventura calling the shots. We're going to waste another year of good pitching by fielding a bad defensive team. Smh we're doomed. I agree with this. Keeping Robin has pretty much sapped any enthusiasm I would otherwise have for this team making moves to get better. What I would do instead is try to increase the value of what we have. Keep LaRoche and hope for enough of a bounce back to make him tradeable at the deadline. Same for Alexei. Give Avisail another year to see if anything is there. But play Thompson ahead of him in the outfield. (I'd use Garcia as LaRoche platoon partner.) Trade Robertson to the Nats, who really need a proven closer and have lots of prospects. Move Montas into the pen and groom him as a closer. Put Erik Johnson into the rotation for a year to increase his value. Sign the best option at 3b who doesn't cost any picks or tie you up for years. Let Micah and Sanchez duke it out at 2nd again. Keep all picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 08:22 AM) We still owe Alexei for overperforming his original deal (in the eyes of JR). No way he's gone. Dude come on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 QUOTE (VAfan @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 09:08 AM) I agree with this. Keeping Robin has pretty much sapped any enthusiasm I would otherwise have for this team making moves to get better. What I would do instead is try to increase the value of what we have. Keep LaRoche and hope for enough of a bounce back to make him tradeable at the deadline. Same for Alexei. Give Avisail another year to see if anything is there. But play Thompson ahead of him in the outfield. (I'd use Garcia as LaRoche platoon partner.) Trade Robertson to the Nats, who really need a proven closer and have lots of prospects. Move Montas into the pen and groom him as a closer. Put Erik Johnson into the rotation for a year to increase his value. Sign the best option at 3b who doesn't cost any picks or tie you up for years. Let Micah and Sanchez duke it out at 2nd again. Keep all picks. Well then you're still only going to win about 73 games next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 08:22 AM) Dude come on Apparently you missed the deals for Konerko to return for a farewell tour, Buehrle when it looked like a more questionable bet, Contreras after he was no longer dominant, Beckham this year again...an organization that can always be counted on for sentimentality if nothing else. Why are so many clamoring for AJ, Buehrle or even Uribe to return? Because it's not completely out of the realm of possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 09:31 AM) Apparently you missed the deals for Konerko to return for a farewell tour, Buehrle when it looked like a more questionable bet, Contreras after he was no longer dominant, Beckham this year again...an organization that can always be counted on for sentimentality if nothing else. Why are so many clamoring for AJ, Buehrle or even Uribe to return? Because it's not completely out of the realm of possibility. Yuck. I'm not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 01:12 PM) I don't see how the White Sox can make enough moves to make us that much better. Plus we still have Robin Ventura calling the shots. We're going to waste another year of good pitching by fielding a bad defensive team. Smh we're doomed. you make a great point. but re Robin, nothing will be done, plain and simple. esp when the management came out and gave full support for him coming back next season. i just don't know on what the sox off season plan is and how much or what are they planing of fixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 QUOTE (VAfan @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 02:08 PM) I agree with this. Keeping Robin has pretty much sapped any enthusiasm I would otherwise have for this team making moves to get better. What I would do instead is try to increase the value of what we have. Keep LaRoche and hope for enough of a bounce back to make him tradeable at the deadline. Same for Alexei. Give Avisail another year to see if anything is there. But play Thompson ahead of him in the outfield. (I'd use Garcia as LaRoche platoon partner.) Trade Robertson to the Nats, who really need a proven closer and have lots of prospects. Move Montas into the pen and groom him as a closer. Put Erik Johnson into the rotation for a year to increase his value. Sign the best option at 3b who doesn't cost any picks or tie you up for years. Let Micah and Sanchez duke it out at 2nd again. Keep all picks. i think we all agree that 3b is a priority that the sox will address. after that, who knows. i would like the sox to address in a long shot, the outfield, move Avi to DH and platoon with laroche. then get a SP. the sox needs the ability to win games and there is 2 huge question marks in my book........ Danks and whether it will be EJ or not, the #5 sp. the staff has talk about how great the catcher is with Flowers framing and all. so, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 12:27 AM) https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/661063917032988673 I vote no, but it will be yes. Even if they decline, I think he will be back, but I suspect they pick it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 07:22 AM) We still owe Alexei for overperforming his original deal (in the eyes of JR). No way he's gone. lol. NO one gives back when the underperform, we don't owe anything when something overperforms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 06:32 AM) you have very good logic in your reasoning. it is not what we hope but what the sox org will do. then it is 3b then cat, then as you posted. i really don't know what to expect from the ss and 2b.... then i think we can safely say with MJ in the wings, 2b is covered.. Yep, 3B and C are likely the biggest priorities. SS I think we see Alexei back for one more season to bridge the gap to Anderson. 2B, I can live with Sanchez/Micah/Saladino for the '16 season to see if one of them will solidify that position and if not the SOX can look for one next winter. RF, unless the SOX open up payroll I think we'll see a ST battle between Avi and Trayce for the spot. Honestly, if the Sox can do something to upgrade 3B and C I'd be happy. They will have an additional 28M to play with this time next year after Danks/LaRoche contracts are off the books and things should look much brighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 09:31 AM) Apparently you missed the deals for Konerko to return for a farewell tour, Buehrle when it looked like a more questionable bet, Contreras after he was no longer dominant, Beckham this year again...an organization that can always be counted on for sentimentality if nothing else. Why are so many clamoring for AJ, Buehrle or even Uribe to return? Because it's not completely out of the realm of possibility. Lol you're comparing Alexei Ramirez to Paul Konerko and Mark Buerhle? Paul Konerko is a player who got a f***ing STATUE in our ballpark. That is not Alexei Ramirez Mark Buerhle was NOT OFFERED A CONTRACT and went and signed with the Marlins. How is that evidence that the Sox will always bring their stars back? Gordon Beckham was traded for peanuts and then allowed to return on as a utility infielder on a $2m contract. None of that is even remotely close to the same situation we're facing with Alexei. The only thing that binds them together is that they're all related to the White Sox. If Alexei is back, it's going to be because they expect a bounceback from him and don't have a better option. Edited November 2, 2015 by Eminor3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 09:00 AM) lol. NO one gives back when the underperform, we don't owe anything when something overperforms. Andre Dawson, 1987. We actually didn't have to give him a four year extension after 2011. We could have gone to arbitration instead for two years. 4 years and $4.75 million was about the same as Sal Perez's deal for five years and $7 million. All signs indicate the Royals will tear it up soon and reward him with a fairer deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 09:13 AM) Lol you're comparing Alexei Ramirez to Paul Konerko and Mark Buerhle? Paul Konerko is a player who got a f***ing STATUE in our ballpark. That is not Alexei Ramirez Mark Buerhle was NOT OFFERED A CONTRACT and went and signed with the Marlins. How is that evidence that the Sox will always bring their stars back? Gordon Beckham was traded for peanuts and then allowed to return on as a utility infielder on a $2m contract. None of that is even remotely close to the same situation we're facing with Alexei. The only thing that binds them together is that they're all related to the White Sox. If Alexei is back, it's going to be because they expect a bounceback from him and don't have a better option. The second Buehrle contract, 2008-2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 09:13 AM) Lol you're comparing Alexei Ramirez to Paul Konerko and Mark Buerhle? Paul Konerko is a player who got a f***ing STATUE in our ballpark. That is not Alexei Ramirez Mark Buerhle was NOT OFFERED A CONTRACT and went and signed with the Marlins. How is that evidence that the Sox will always bring their stars back? Gordon Beckham was traded for peanuts and then allowed to return on as a utility infielder on a $2m contract. None of that is even remotely close to the same situation we're facing with Alexei. The only thing that binds them together is that they're all related to the White Sox. If Alexei is back, it's going to be because they expect a bounceback from him and don't have a better option. QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 11, 2015 -> 06:56 AM) they're just citing historical examples that may or may not apply but obscure the crux of the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 10:30 AM) The second Buehrle contract, 2008-2010. So the one where he was 28 years old and coming of a 3.1 fWAR season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Chris Bosio, 1993 oh wait i thought we were just naming random players and years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) Chances of the Sox signing Gordon are between 0.1% and 1.42538%. Once again the JR loyalty thing now accusing him of overpaying because he "owes" people. Try telling that to Fisk, McDowell, Thome, Buerhle, Konerko and his $2.5 million contract with $1 million of that deferred, AJP. Its one thing to offer an extension which buys out some arb years and delays free agency a year or 2. That isn't overpaying because of "loyalty'. This JR loyalty BS has gone way too far. Personally, I would buy Alexei out and offer him a contract with incentives that if he was awesome, pay him more than $10 million next year. Edited November 2, 2015 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 10:49 AM) Chances of the Sox signing Gordon are between 0.1% and 1.42538%. Still too high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 09:37 AM) Chris Bosio, 1993 oh wait i thought we were just naming random players and years Oh, wait....Alexei will have his full option picked up. They won't try to cut it down to the $6-7.5 million range. Just watch. I don't need to mention any names. The White Sox will provide that history lesson and those linkages when they announce he's coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) You guys are living in a fantasy world thinking they will give the position to Saladino or attempt to cut Ramirez's salary. We heard over and over again a list of reasons/excuses for his poor 2015 season. Put up or shut up time. And you can forget about Ian Desmond, too. Edited November 2, 2015 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 If Desmond really gets somewhere in the 15M+ range annually, Alexei's 10M doesn't sound so bad at all. Especially since the Sox have more pressing needs than SS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Just raining all over my parade Caulfield lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 10:24 AM) You guys are living in a fantasy world thinking they will give the position to Saladino or attempt to cut Ramirez's salary. We heard over and over again a list of reasons/excuses for his poor 2015 season. Put up or shut up time. And you can forget about Ian Desmond, too. Hey man, we are all just looking forward to you posting KC articles in Sox threads all winter. Thanks for letting us know what is gonna happen, now we can all go home and go to bed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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