LDF Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 06:34 PM) This is entirely dependent on whether or not the Rockies think they are are in their championship window right now, or in a couple years. They just traded Tulo, Reyes is under a lot of fire with the law right now, they have been rumored to be trading Cargo for a while now. If they aren't ready to win now, then they may as well dump their biggest asset for a #1 starter if they have a guy to replace that asset in 2 years anyway. Not that McMahon will be as good as Arenado, but they Q is under team control longer than Arenado, and will be cheaper than Arenado once Nolan hits arb. And Q in the NL would likely improve his value in the event they decide to trade him again in 2 or 3 years anyway. I don't necessarily think this trade lines up perfectly, but I can see the rationale behind the Rockies doing it. If you think this is a video game trade, then it's clearly because you undervalue Quintana immensely. He's a top 15-20 starter. you do make a good point. it is now vs several yrs from now. interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 01:21 PM) But we also don't need to be raped. C'mon man. Anyway, my first reaction was that was an overpay. Lucroy was an MVP candidate just one year ago and did play hurt in 2015, it's not like he's over the hill. That's somebody who might require Fulmer. If Lucroy had one or two more years of control it'd be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 06:30 PM) GM Meetings version: -Extend Samardzija QO, he rejects it -Decline Alexei's option -Resign Albers -Sign Nobuhiro Matsuda to 3 yr, $36 MM deal -Trade Fulmer, Danish, Trey, and low level arm for Jonathan Lucroy CF Eaton C Lucroy 1B Abreu DH LaRoche LF Cabrera 3B Matsuda RF Thompson 2B Sanchez SS Saladino BE A. Garcia BE Flowers BE Johnson BE L. Garcia SP Sale SP Quintana SP Rodon SP Johnson SP Danks CL Robertson SU Jones SU Montas RP Duke RP Petricka RP Turner RP Albers Anderson comes up and takes over at SS as soon as he's ready, Saladino takes Leury's utility spot on the bench. steep prices .... wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 07:21 PM) It's probably more in line than you think. you may be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 01:21 PM) But we also don't need to be raped. Comparing a big trade to rape is pretty low man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 07:34 PM) Comparing a big trade to rape is pretty low man i don't mind overpaying and i have said as much. i guess i am ok with the catcher, but not the other player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Some very sensitive folks in this thread. I'm glad nobody watches football with me...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 01:37 PM) Some very sensitive folks in this thread. I'm glad nobody watches football with me...... It isn't that hard to find a different way to express the same point. Not worth getting into it any further here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I'm just part of a Chiefs forum that's no holds barred. Common phrases like that. my mistake that you were offended. Thicken your skin. It's an online message board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 02:34 PM) Comparing a big trade to rape is pretty low man You're overly sensitive. Lighten up Francis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 03:07 PM) We'll make a compromise, those who were offended will let it go and in return you promise never to make some out-of-this-earth mock trade for Arenado. It's not happening. Let it go. Fine but I'm not the only one bringing up Arenado. After all, in my mock, I had us trading for Puig. So I never had to let it go because I was never pounding the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 02:06 PM) You're overly sensitive. Lighten up Francis. Nice one Sgt. Hulka! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 09:05 PM) I'm just part of a Chiefs forum that's no holds barred. Common phrases like that. my mistake that you were offended. Thicken your skin. It's an online message board. Please don't tell us what to do or how to feel. Some of us are offended by words. I myself really don't like to hear or read the word r__e. To me it's a very violent sickening word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 02:05 PM) I'm just part of a Chiefs forum that's no holds barred. Common phrases like that. my mistake that you were offended. Thicken your skin. It's an online message board. It is an on-line message board, but it does at least attempt to have some common decency and consideration for people other than yourself. It is a term most people would prefer to not see used that way. As large as the English language is there are hundreds of ways to describe winning a trade, so that "rape" doesn't need to be one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 02:06 PM) You're overly sensitive. Lighten up Francis. Kinda become sensitive when someone in your life is affected by it. Just think a little bit about things you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 03:20 PM) I don't know what pounding the table is but search "Arenado" in the query at the bottom left of this page. You brought up/endorsed trading for Arendao six times in this thread alone. I've brought him because that's the type of player Q needs to be dealt for if he's dealt. So again I don't need to let it go because I'm not going crazy demanding we trade for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 But to all I've offended I'm sorry. Let's move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 03:48 PM) We need players like Bryce Harper and Mike Trout too but I don't see anyone repeating themselves over it. Lol oh please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Couple of thoughts: - after Lucroy's major concussion this year, I wouldn't give up much for him. He's one more concussion away from never catching again. - why would the Rockies want Q or Sale in an Arenado trade? If they give up Arenado, they're not trying to compete for the remainder of Q/Sale's contract. If the Sox wanted Arenado, it would have to be a 3-way trade with a team like the Red Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Moving on...Let's talk about the Astros and the abundance of talent that we could use. Some guys I could see them giving up that interest me.... OF- Preston Tucker- Probably never going to be an all-star but he was a very successful college player and has a .294/.363/.503 triple slash in the minors since '12 and hit 13 HR's and a .734 OPS in his 1st 320 PA's in the majors. 25 year old LH corner OF with a little experience at 1B as well LJ Hoes- Another guy that has some flaws and probably won't ever be great, but he's another 25 year old who was a fairly high pick who has extended success in the high minors....299/.388/.399 over 1300 PA's in AAA. Above average speed with 26 steals in AAA this year. Has played all 3 OF positions after being converted from a 2B earl in his career. Derek Fisher- Comp round pick in '14 after leading Virginia to the CWS. Has a very smooth left handed swing that should carry him, but also has + speed. Slashed .275/.364 /.483 with 22 home runs this year in his 1st full season of pro ball across A and A+ INF- Colin Moran(3B)- Former 6th overall pick that Miami curiously traded. His power still hasn't showed up but he keeps making good contact and getting on base. .306/.381/.459 at AA this year. JD Davis(3B)- 3rd round pick in '14 as a 2 way player out of Cal State Fulerton. Astros made him a hitter and he's settled in nicely as a 3B hitting .289/.370/.520 with 26 HR's in A+. Great athlete with a real nice swing that should have no problem translating at any level Pitchers- Michael Feliz- Failed a drug test coming out of the DR and the Astros scooped him up and he's been great ever since. Saw some inning in the majors this year after dominating in the minors. A 6'4 225 lb righty with a fastball in the mid 90's and a power slider. Joe Musgrove- Another big righty at 6'5 255 with a mid 90's fastball. 1.88 across 100 minor league innings this year ending in AA. So yeah, how do we get a package going from the Astros? They could definitely use Q after Kazmir walks....Tucker, Moran, Feliz, and fisher for Q? Maybe too much to ask for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 04:18 PM) Brewers released their promotional schedule for 2016. Three items featuring Lucroy. Wonder how many players have been dealt after being put on early promotions like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) We certainly could match up with the Astros if they wanted someone like Quintana. Edit: now with Lance Lynn of STL out for '16 with TJ surgery maybe they could be a match Edited November 10, 2015 by SouthSideSale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I bet the Cardinals could use Q now that Lynn is on the shelf for all of 2016. The package would have to start with Stephen Piscotty IMO. He's going to be a star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 04:43 PM) I bet the Cardinals could use Q now that Lynn is on the shelf for all of 2016. The package would have to start with Stephen Piscotty IMO. He's going to be a star. I just don't see the Cardinals giving up a big package of prospects for 1 player...just not their style. They'll just find another guy out of nowhere to do great for them. They seem to do it every year without making big splashes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 03:31 PM) Moving on...Let's talk about the Astros and the abundance of talent that we could use. Some guys I could see them giving up that interest me.... OF- Preston Tucker- Probably never going to be an all-star but he was a very successful college player and has a .294/.363/.503 triple slash in the minors since '12 and hit 13 HR's and a .734 OPS in his 1st 320 PA's in the majors. 25 year old LH corner OF with a little experience at 1B as well LJ Hoes- Another guy that has some flaws and probably won't ever be great, but he's another 25 year old who was a fairly high pick who has extended success in the high minors....299/.388/.399 over 1300 PA's in AAA. Above average speed with 26 steals in AAA this year. Has played all 3 OF positions after being converted from a 2B earl in his career. Derek Fisher- Comp round pick in '14 after leading Virginia to the CWS. Has a very smooth left handed swing that should carry him, but also has + speed. Slashed .275/.364 /.483 with 22 home runs this year in his 1st full season of pro ball across A and A+ INF- Colin Moran(3B)- Former 6th overall pick that Miami curiously traded. His power still hasn't showed up but he keeps making good contact and getting on base. .306/.381/.459 at AA this year. JD Davis(3B)- 3rd round pick in '14 as a 2 way player out of Cal State Fulerton. Astros made him a hitter and he's settled in nicely as a 3B hitting .289/.370/.520 with 26 HR's in A+. Great athlete with a real nice swing that should have no problem translating at any level Pitchers- Michael Feliz- Failed a drug test coming out of the DR and the Astros scooped him up and he's been great ever since. Saw some inning in the majors this year after dominating in the minors. A 6'4 225 lb righty with a fastball in the mid 90's and a power slider. Joe Musgrove- Another big righty at 6'5 255 with a mid 90's fastball. 1.88 across 100 minor league innings this year ending in AA. So yeah, how do we get a package going from the Astros? They could definitely use Q after Kazmir walks....Tucker, Moran, Feliz, and fisher for Q? Maybe too much to ask for? Good research on your part and I'm glad to see you mention Musgrove who fits the profile the sox would like in a pitcher.Only player you missed was AJ Reed, a big power hitting 1B that I'm sure the Sox would desire. Nice job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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