My/Your Off Season Plan

[Bigsoxhurt35]

Here's a little tidbit on us. All of it we already know.

 

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/jason-h...meetings-111115

 

 

LOTS TO DO ON THE SOUTH SIDE

 

 

The White Sox continually draw trade interest in their starting pitchers, and some even prefer lefty Jose Quintana to Chris Sale, given the lower acquisition cost and more traditional body type and delivery, sources say.

 

Quintana, 26, is a bargain at $18.15 million over the next three seasons, and his contract also includes $10.5 million options for both 2019 and ’20. The White Sox would need to be overwhelmed to move him, but considering their needs at multiple positions, they cannot rule it out.

 

Third base, second, shortstop, catcher and the corner-outfield spots all are potential areas of upgrade for the White Sox — and yes, that means first baseman Jose Abreu and center fielder Adam Eaton are the only regulars with whom the Sox seem comfortable.

 

The White Sox’s former shortstop, free agent Alexei Ramirez, attended the GM meetings on Wednesday, presumably to meet with clubs. Ramirez, according to one source, badly wants to rejoin the Sox, who declined his $10 million option. GM Rick Hahn has said he will not close the door on Ramirez’s possible return.

Edited November 12, 2015 by SouthSideSale

[Y2Jimmy0]

Don't think the qualifying offer is totally going to deter the sox. They got a 10 pick which is protected and should be a comp pick for shark when he declines. Sox don't have enough prospects to get the players back to fill all the holes they have. Quintana is going to be probably have to moved in order to full the spots. This is probably the last year they can try to sign qualifying offer free agent .

 

 

They lose the Samardzija pick if they sign a Qualifying Offer free agent. The whole point of keeping Shark was to recoup the pick. I think you can cross anyone with a QO off your list.

[Y2Jimmy0]

This is exactly how I feel about the Quintana situation. Tom Fornelli does an excellent job here: http://www.writesox.com/2015/11/jose-quint...ade-rumors.html

[oldsox]

They lose the Samardzija pick if they sign a Qualifying Offer free agent. The whole point of keeping Shark was to recoup the pick. I think you can cross anyone with a QO off your list.

Speaking of Samardzija, does anyone know or have a good idea of whom Sox could have gotten for him last July?

[BlackSox13]

This is exactly how I feel about the Quintana situation. Tom Fornelli does an excellent job here: http://www.writesox.com/2015/11/jose-quint...ade-rumors.html

Yup, I feel the exact same way. Q isn't going anywhere.

[Bob Sacamano]

Yup, I feel the exact same way. Q isn't going anywhere.

 

I don't think so either...unless they get an offer they can't refuse.

[Dick Allen]

Dan Hayes was on CSN last night from the GM meetings, and he said Eric Johnson is on the block.

[Jose Abreu]

Dan Hayes was on CSN last night from the GM meetings, and he said Eric Johnson is on the block.

I wonder if he has any real trade value

[TheFutureIsNear]

This is exactly how I feel about the Quintana situation. Tom Fornelli does an excellent job here: http://www.writesox.com/2015/11/jose-quint...ade-rumors.html

 

I was against trading Q for a while, but I've come to grips with the fact that we aren't going to get the help we need without trading a significant piece. As of right now we have Eaton, Abreu and Melky as position players that are above average major league players. That's pretty depressing to think about. And who's coming to help in house any time soon besides (hopefully) Anderson?

 

Do I want to see Q traded? Absolutely not, he's 1 of the better young lefties in the game. But I also REALLY don't want to see us to sign some overpaid, mediocre vets and suffer through another 80 win season. Maybe there is another way, but I think it will be really though and take at least 1, probably 2, rebuilding years.

[Jose Abreu]

I was against trading Q for a while, but I've come to grips with the fact that we aren't going to get the help we need without trading a significant piece. As of right now we have Eaton, Abreu and Melky as position players that are above average major league players. That's pretty depressing to think about. And who's coming to help in house any time soon besides (hopefully) Anderson?

 

Do I want to see Q traded? Absolutely not, he's 1 of the better young lefties in the game. But I also REALLY don't want to see us to sign some overpaid, mediocre vets and suffer through another 80 win season. Maybe there is another way, but I think it will be really though and take at least 1, probably 2, rebuilding years.

Great post. If we really want to contend next year, we're probably going to have to trade one of our good starting pitchers, unless Hahn can get really creative.

[Hatchetman]

I wonder if he has any real trade value

 

I think it would be a terrible time to trade him. If he has any kind of reasonable success in 2016, his trade value would be 10X what it is now.

[TheFutureIsNear]

I think it would be a terrible time to trade him. If he has any kind of reasonable success in 2016, his trade value would be 10X what it is now.

 

Agreed. Makes 0 sense to trade EJ right now. Not only in terms of him not being at his highest value (which he's clearly not), but who the heck would be a right handed starter for us next year? Trade EJ for whatever middle of the road value he has and then sign a mediocre veteran for 10 million? Why?

[shysocks]

^^^ Last two posts, well said. EJ should spend the entire year in the rotation. Let him work. I doubt he has much value now.

[Y2Jimmy0]

Dan Hayes was on CSN last night from the GM meetings, and he said Eric Johnson is on the block.

 

 

I was wondering about this too. Maybe Erik Johnson and Micah Johnson gets you a hitter that you like. They can sign a Latos or Fister in free agency to take Johnson's spot in the rotation. There's also a chance that one of those guys rebounds enough to receive a Qualifying Offer next year or even be traded during the season. I just don't know how much value Erik Johnson really has.

[southsider2k5]

Dan Hayes was on CSN last night from the GM meetings, and he said Eric Johnson is on the block.

 

If they don't believe it him, this is probably the time to deal him, before he fails again.

[GGajewski18]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 52m52 minutes ago

Agents' perception: Few (if any) teams w/protected 1st-round picks interested in spending big now. PHI,CIN,ATL,COL,MIL,OAK,MIA,SD, DET, CWS.

[GGajewski18]

I'd love Andrelton Simmons, but the Braves are asking for one of Matz, deGrom, Thor, and Harvey.

 

I'd figure the Braves would at least ask for Rodon and Anderson and that is way to steep of a price.

[Bigsoxhurt35]

I'm not sure how much value EJ has. Quintana has a ton. I could see a Q trade for some pieces and signing a guy like Zimmerman to smack behind Sale. Not likely but I could see a scenario like that.

 

 

I'd hate to see Q traded. It's just hard to imagine keeping him and still adding an impact bat without signing one.

 

I also think Desmond could be a perfect rebuild value option. Would allow us the time for Anderson without rushing.

[royoung]

I'd love Andrelton Simmons, but the Braves are asking for one of Matz, deGrom, Thor, and Harvey.

 

I'd figure the Braves would at least ask for Rodon and Anderson and that is way to steep of a price.

 

We'd have to be at least in the discussion if we are floating Anderson +. Scouts drool over Anderson's tools.

[Bigsoxhurt35]

I'd love Andrelton Simmons, but the Braves are asking for one of Matz, deGrom, Thor, and Harvey.

 

I'd figure the Braves would at least ask for Rodon and Anderson and that is way to steep of a price.

Or starting with Quintana.

[Y2Jimmy0]

I'm not sure how much value EJ has. Quintana has a ton. I could see a Q trade for some pieces and signing a guy like Zimmerman to smack behind Sale. Not likely but I could see a scenario like that.

 

 

I'd hate to see Q traded. It's just hard to imagine keeping him and still adding an impact bat without signing one.

 

I also think Desmond could be a perfect rebuild value option. Would allow us the time for Anderson without rushing.

 

 

Why do you keep suggesting signing players with Qualifying Offers attached? You are going to be disappointed...

[Chicago White Sox]

Sox have never been afraid of moving an arm they want to get out in front of. McCarthy and Santiago both come to mind. Johnson was incredible in AAA though so maybe they can sell him off that. His stats look very good but they really don't do him he justice. He was the best pitcher on a rate basis as well as on a prolific basis. Knowing how Hahn operates, Johnson was getting scouted when he pitched in September.

 

Given the spontaneity of pitchers (relative to hitters), I would prefer the Sox move pitching for young bats and sign lower tier SP(s) like Y2Jimmy0 suggested. The offensive landscape in FA lacks fits outside of the top guys who's price rules them out. It's interesting, the Sox have never really bought pitching ever. Obviously they excel in making pitching, but they've never even signed even a mid tier SP since who? Jamie Navarro? They've filled out the rotation with scrap heap guys like Paulino, Humber, old Freddy, old Colon and if you want to go back far enough Esteban Loaiza.

 

Sox are probably looking at E. Johnson, Quintana, Montas and maybe Fulmer as the guys to potentially move to fix the offense. It seems like they want to move Johnson, and they've never been that outwardly confident about him, but past him, I think whoever they move is dependent on return more than the individual pitcher but I hear the Sox are considering anything and everything. There's an argument that all four guys could be at the height of their value too. Johnson was just best pitcher in AAA. Quintana is 9th in fWAR since 2012. Montas coming off the last season he'll have a

 

Mid tier options:

Fister

Latos

Rich Hill

Brett Anderson

Cliff Lee

 

Scrap heap types:

Beachy

Cahill

Bud Norris

I think Fulmer is pretty much untouchable, but I agree otherwise. My guess is they'll take offers on Q first, and if they're not blown away, use Johnson & Montas to add some offense. Either way, frees up a spot for one of those mid-tier free agents, who make a ton of sense for the reasons you identified.

 

Also, Anderson got a QO, so you can definitely cut him from the list of potential pickups.

[Dick Allen]

I think Fulmer is pretty much untouchable, but I agree otherwise. My guess is they'll take offers on Q first, and if they're not blown away, use Johnson & Montas to add some offense. Either way, frees up a spot for one of those mid-tier free agents, who make a ton of sense for the reasons you identified.

 

Also, Anderson got a QO, so you can definitely cut him from the list of potential pickups.

From what Hayes said, the Sox aren't too keen about dealing Q. He is the young cost-controlled they and every team desires. It would take a mint to pry him away.

[GGajewski18]

Sox have never been afraid of moving an arm they want to get out in front of. McCarthy and Santiago both come to mind. Johnson was incredible in AAA though so maybe they can sell him off that. His stats look very good but they really don't do him he justice. He was the best pitcher on a rate basis as well as on a prolific basis. Knowing how Hahn operates, Johnson was getting scouted when he pitched in September.

 

Given the spontaneity of pitchers (relative to hitters), I would prefer the Sox move pitching for young bats and sign lower tier SP(s) like Y2Jimmy0 suggested. The offensive landscape in FA lacks fits outside of the top guys who's price rules them out. It's interesting, the Sox have never really bought pitching ever. Obviously they excel in making pitching, but they've never even signed even a mid tier SP since who? Jamie Navarro? They've filled out the rotation with scrap heap guys like Paulino, Humber, old Freddy, old Colon and if you want to go back far enough Esteban Loaiza.

 

Sox are probably looking at E. Johnson, Quintana, Montas and maybe Fulmer as the guys to potentially move to fix the offense. It seems like they want to move Johnson, and they've never been that outwardly confident about him, but past him, I think whoever they move is dependent on return more than the individual pitcher but I hear the Sox are considering anything and everything. There's an argument that all four guys could be at the height of their value too. Johnson was just best pitcher in AAA. Quintana is 9th in fWAR since 2012. Montas coming off the last season he'll have a

 

Mid tier options:

Fister

Latos

Rich Hill

Brett Anderson

Cliff Lee

 

Scrap heap types:

Beachy

Cahill

Bud Norris

 

Who do you think EJ can fetch in trade for a bat?

 

I'd be interested in Latos, Cahill, and Beachy as potential 5th starters if EJ is traded.

I'd be hesitant to trade with Atlanta. They've been getting everybody in every trade. Hart joined that org and quickly improved it across the board in several trades. It seems like they might have even taken Friedman for one at the deadline. I love what he's doing there.

 

I agree. Hart has turned that organization around. In a couple years, they'll be a top that division.

[BlackSox13]

If the Sox trade EJ I wonder if they go with Montas and use '16 to get Montas acclimated to MLB hitters, somewhat similar to what they did with Rodon. Surely there will be ups and downs but having Montas with the Sox keeps him working closely with Cooper.

 

Personally, I don't think Montas is ready but if the Sox feel he is then who am I to question a team that does a fine job handling pitchers?