YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I figured this could bring up a nice discussion. There have been many great pitchers that have pitched for the Sox, but I think these 5 would comprise my all time rotation in this order. 1. Ed Walsh 2. Chris Sale 3. Red Faber 4. Ted Lyons 5. Mark Buehrle There are a bunch of honorable mentions like Wilbur Wood, Eddie Cicotte, Billy Pierce, John Danks, etc, but what would your all time Sox rotation look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 QUOTE (Mike F. @ Sep 11, 2015 -> 07:35 PM) I figured this could bring up a nice discussion. There have been many great pitchers that have pitched for the Sox, but I think these 5 would comprise my all time rotation in this order. 1. Ed Walsh 2. Chris Sale 3. Red Faber 4. Ted Lyons 5. Mark Buehrle There are a bunch of honorable mentions like Wilbur Wood, Eddie Cicotte, Billy Pierce, John Danks, etc, but what would your all time Sox rotation look like? Danks, surely you jest? Did Greg hijack your account? Doc White, Cicotte, Sale, W. Wood, Gossage 5. Pierce 4. Hoyt Wilhelm/Buehrle 3. Lyons 2. Red Faber 1. Ed Walsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 QUOTE (Mike F. @ Sep 11, 2015 -> 09:35 PM) I figured this could bring up a nice discussion. There have been many great pitchers that have pitched for the Sox, but I think these 5 would comprise my all time rotation in this order. 1. Ed Walsh 2. Chris Sale 3. Red Faber 4. Ted Lyons 5. Mark Buehrle There are a bunch of honorable mentions like Wilbur Wood, Eddie Cicotte, Billy Pierce, John Danks, etc, but what would your all time Sox rotation look like? I don't know my history as well as I should but I'm genuinely offended that you mentioned John Danks and not Black Jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Whatever the remainder of the rotation would be, Wilbur Wood would be in it pitching on two days rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Ed Walsh Wilbur Wood Chris Sale Mark Buehrle Eddie Cicotte This was tougher than I initially thought it would be. Still bouncing names around in my head but I'll stick with those five. Going to be fun seeing what other fans come up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Ed Walsh Chris Sale Wilbur Wood Eddie Cicotte Billy Pierce Toughest omissions: Faber, Lyons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Sep 11, 2015 -> 08:32 PM) Ed Walsh Wilbur Wood Chris Sale Mark Buehrle Eddie Cicotte This was tougher than I initially thought it would be. Still bouncing names around in my head but I'll stick with those five. Going to be fun seeing what other fans come up. You skipped over three Hall of Famers (Faber, Lyons , Wilhelm) and a near-miss in Billy Pierce. How can you put someone who knowingly threw a game to gamblers on that list? If we had one for the last 20-30 years or so, it would have to include Sale, Buehrle, Black Jack, Alex Fernandez/Alvarez. Faber, Lyons, Walsh, Wood, Cicotte, Pierce, Buehrle, Doc White, Thornton Lee and Jim Scott by career WAR with Sox. Edited September 12, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 11, 2015 -> 10:35 PM) You skipped over three Hall of Famers (Faber, Lyons , Wilhelm) and a near-miss in Billy Pierce. How can you put someone who knowingly threw a game to gamblers on that list? If we had one for the last 20-30 years or so, it would have to include Sale, Buehrle, Black Jack, Alex Fernandez/Alvarez. Faber, Lyons, Walsh, Wood, Cicotte, Pierce, Buehrle, Doc White, Thornton Lee and Jim Scott by career WAR with Sox. Well, simply put, there's only room for five and those are the five I chose. I did say in my first post that there were others in my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Sep 11, 2015 -> 09:03 PM) Whatever the remainder of the rotation would be, Wilbur Wood would be in it pitching on two days rest. Sale to start. Wood to relief. That would mess with hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 Yes, I was being sarcastic when I included Danks haha. He's not even close to being one of the best Sox pitchers ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Talking about all time Sox teams is senseless cause people always want to mention the old, old, old timers and thus anybody who played past 1960 pretty much is pooh-poohed or laughed out of the discussion. I hate having to put the old oldtimers on the list, making it a very boring list/discussion. I mean try to put Buehrle on a list and you'll get Ted Lyons'ed and Billy Pierced to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Ed Walsh Chris Sale Billy Pierce Mark Buehrle Ted Lyons Red Faber Going with the six man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Chris Sale Carlos Rodon Carson Fulmer Ed Walsh Billy Pierce ....Cuz I can see the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 11, 2015 -> 11:13 PM) Talking about all time Sox teams is senseless cause people always want to mention the old, old, old timers and thus anybody who played past 1960 pretty much is pooh-poohed or laughed out of the discussion. I hate having to put the old oldtimers on the list, making it a very boring list/discussion. I mean try to put Buehrle on a list and you'll get Ted Lyons'ed and Billy Pierced to death. Amen bro. It's tough pretending to be 150 years old telling stories about where you were when the Black Sox scandal hit. "Boy that Joe Jackson could really lay into a 70mph fastball! Cicotte? Absolute stud!" But it's cool some of the old-timers here remember some of these guys. Speaking of which, can any of you share some insight with us young guys about some of the old fabled Sox pitchers? That would be pretty cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 12, 2015 -> 02:48 AM) Danks, surely you jest? Did Greg hijack your account? Doc White, Cicotte, Sale, W. Wood, Gossage 5. Pierce 4. Hoyt Wilhelm/Buehrle 3. Lyons 2. Red Faber 1. Ed Walsh Hoyt Wilhelm pitched in relief not as a starter. As much as I love Sale I think it's too early to put him as in the all time elite group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Sep 12, 2015 -> 04:30 PM) Amen bro. It's tough pretending to be 150 years old telling stories about where you were when the Black Sox scandal hit. "Boy that Joe Jackson could really lay into a 70mph fastball! Cicotte? Absolute stud!" But it's cool some of the old-timers here remember some of these guys. Speaking of which, can any of you share some insight with us young guys about some of the old fabled Sox pitchers? That would be pretty cool. There was no radar gun. They had guys who could throw hard. The ball wasn't wrapped as tight. There probably wasn't custom made bats. A lot less technology. They didn't treat pitchers like they are glass. There was no "let's shut him down" bulls***. Substance abuse was too much scotch. They had off season jobs. No DH. I would have loved to see baseball before the 70's and those Sox teams in the 50's and 60's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 12, 2015 -> 04:48 PM) Hoyt Wilhelm pitched in relief not as a starter. As much as I love Sale I think it's too early to put him as in the all time elite group How many more years does Sale have to pitch at this level for him to make your top 5 Sox pitchers ever? We could also make two lists, the top 5 Sox pitchers from 1950 and earlier and the top 5 Sox pitchers since then. It might be easier that way, as it's hard to compare Sale to Walsh or Buehrle to Lyons, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) How about the ultimate 12-man pitching staff since 2000 for fun? Most people here can remember most of them. In their primes of course. SP: Sale, Buehrle, Contreras, Garcia, Loaiza RP: Foulke, Howry, Carrasco, Cotts, Thornton, Jenks, Robertson And maybe worst 12-man since 2000, if you never wanted to win a game: SP: D. Wells, K. Wells, Axelrod, Ritchie, Noesi RP: Simas, Linebrink, Koch, Logan, MacDougal, Downs, Webb Edited September 13, 2015 by Jerksticks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 1. Jason Bere 2. Estaban Loaiza 3. Javier Vazquez 4. John Danks 5. Raaandy Williams Honorable Mentions: Jim Parque, Bartolo Colon, Danny Darwin, Brian Anderson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3GamesToLove Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) Walsh Faber Pierce Wood Sale Those are my five. Honorable mentions to people like Cicotte, Lyons, Buehrle. Or if you want to split it into two lists... 1901-1960 Walsh Faber Cicotte Lyons Pierce 1961-present Sale Horlen Buehrle Wood McDowell Edited September 13, 2015 by 3GamesToLove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 In my lifetime: Sale Buehrle McDowell Contreras Wilbur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 QUOTE (Brian @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 03:36 PM) In my lifetime: Sale Buehrle McDowell Contreras Wilbur And that completely dominant version of Contreras lasted about as long as LaMarr Hoyt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) No love for Wilson Alvarez? Not saying he's a White Sox great but he should be mentioned somewhere. I'll never forget his Arrieta-like domination down the stretch in '93. He also stymied one of the all-time great lineups in game 3 of the ALCS. Man, if we could've somehow won game 6 and then Wilson pitches game 7 at home. f***! nevermind. I see caulfield did mention him earlier. Edited September 13, 2015 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 06:16 PM) No love for Wilson Alvarez? Not saying he's a White Sox great but he should be mentioned somewhere. I'll never forget his Arrieta-like domination down the stretch in '93. He also stymied one of the all-time great lineups in game 3 of the ALCS. Man, if we could've somehow won game 6 and then Wilson pitches game 7 at home. f***! nevermind. I see caulfield did mention him earlier. Bere/Alvarez/Fernandez/McDowell is the Sox version of Wood/Prior /Zambrano. It seemed like that rotation was gonna be great for years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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