Flash Tizzle Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 It just doesn't add up how Johnson and Quintana pitch respectably against Minnesota and Sale implodes. They'e middle of the pack in offense, bot Toronto. I swear watching them it's like they know what's coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 07:31 PM) It just doesn't add up how Johnson and Quintana pitch respectably against Minnesota and Sale implodes. They'e middle of the pack in offense, bot Toronto. I swear watching them it's like they know what's coming Look at how Hunter turned on the 96 mph fastball inside, and then looked like he was sitting on an 89 mph change-up on the outer half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 13, 2015 Author Share Posted September 13, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 03:28 PM) So meaningless for a team that rarely spends on pitching (in part because of Cooper), has terrible defenses, and is otherwise effective. No idea how he's tied to Ventura considering he's been in the organization for 23 years now including under 3 managers as pitching coach. I agree with you in general on everything but the bolded. The White Sox always spend on pitching. They haven't yet invested $250 million in a pitcher like some teams but they always spend. Despite being 15th overall in payroll this season, they're 6th in amount spent on pitching. On top of that, they've invested 3 of their last 5 first round draft picks in their starting rotation and traded position players for pitching. They may not be spending money on pitching the last couple years because of Sale and Quintana, but they have poured resources of every kind into their pitching staff non-stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 02:29 PM) Hunter absolutely looks like he knows what's coming There were a few Twins who acted as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 02:32 PM) Look at how Hunter turned on the 96 mph fastball inside, and then looked like he was sitting on an 89 mph change-up on the outer half. He looked clueless against Quintana yesterday too. Today he's suddenly guessing miraculously what pitch is thrown. It may be something with how he's placing his glove, or some other tell, but If im the White Sox im looking into video of him and trying to see if he's giving away any pitches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 02:28 PM) So meaningless for a team that rarely spends on pitching (in part because of Cooper), has terrible defenses, and is otherwise effective. No idea how he's tied to Ventura considering he's been in the organization for 27 years now including under 3 managers as pitching coach. He's been the shadow manager, making the pitching moves. He's been KW's mole...been here long enough. Infield defense was fine during most of his tenure. Sox have invested plenty of resources (players and otherwise) into pitchers. Thornton and Quintana are his claims to fame. Edited September 13, 2015 by GreenSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 13, 2015 Author Share Posted September 13, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 03:40 PM) He's been the shadow manager, making the pitching moves. He's been KW's mole...been here long enough. Infield defense was fine during most of his tenure. Sox have invested plenty of resources (players and otherwise) into pitchers. Thornton and Quintana are his claims to fame. Over the past 10 seasons we're 29th of 30 teams in the big leagues in defense. Only Cleveland is worse. The White Sox regularly flat out don't care about defense. The best teams over that time have won an extra ~50 games due to defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 06:38 PM) Yes, already 4-0, just going to enjoy the Bears actually having a 2nd half shot against GB for now. Watching the Bears game here too. Another first inning melt down and the homeruns allowed is just too much to take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Said this all year, but Montas should absolutely be trade bait this offseason. Good luck ever making him a starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 13, 2015 Author Share Posted September 13, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 03:56 PM) Said this all year, but Montas should absolutely be trade bait this offseason. Good luck ever making him a starter And my response all year...worked great for Arizona with Scherzer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 07:40 PM) He's been the shadow manager, making the pitching moves. He's been KW's mole...been here long enough. Infield defense was fine during most of his tenure. Sox have invested plenty of resources (players and otherwise) into pitchers. Thornton and Quintana are his claims to fame. He did make a winner of Esteban Loaiza, but you can't rest of past laurels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 12:57 PM) He did make a winner of Esteban Loaiza, but you can't rest of past laurels And contrereas. Pretty insane to think that Loaiza was 12 years ago! Oh my lord... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 07:56 PM) Said this all year, but Montas should absolutely be trade bait this offseason. Good luck ever making him a starter I don't know about that. A starter who throws 98 plus is pretty good. It seems though that every hard thrower that we hve come along gets sent to the pen. I was afraid that was where Sale was going to get stuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 03:06 PM) I don't know about that. A starter who throws 98 plus is pretty good. It seems though that every hard thrower that we hve come along gets sent to the pen. I was afraid that was where Sale was going to get stuck How did Montas look in his three innings? Haven't been near a TV so I have no clue outside of looking at the box score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 01:22 PM) One team ERA in the top 1/2 of MLB in 7 seasons. Tied himself to Ventura Bye bye If there is someone better then him yes. But remember how the Sox replace people. It's usually someone from a era when the Sox were playing good baseball. Ability to coach not required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 01:55 PM) Watching the Bears game here too. Another first inning melt down and the homeruns allowed is just too much to take Double disappointment there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 There is no question in my mind Minnesota has figured out how Sale tips pitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 02:56 PM) Said this all year, but Montas should absolutely be trade bait this offseason. Good luck ever making him a starter Well he's not ready. He did not have his command down in AA. Edited September 13, 2015 by GreenSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 04:06 PM) There is no question in my mind Minnesota has figured out how Sale tips pitches. They must have, because no other team hits him as hard as they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 So is that coops job to figure what the hell he is doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 04:33 PM) So is that coops job to figure what the hell he is doing? Yes. Now that I think about it, Sale would've still lost even if he only gave up one run. That makes me feel a little better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 QUOTE (Mike F. @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 04:16 PM) They must have, because no other team hits him as hard as they do. They certainly didn't look like they knew what was coming after he departed either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Stay hot, White Sox. https://twitter.com/CoryProvus/status/643176106393214976 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 officially dont care to even watch the Sale games anymore. Football is here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Sox thought they were facing Bob Gibson today apparently. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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