southsider2k5 Posted September 17, 2015 Author Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 02:36 PM) As I recall, Management was all for Ozzie negotiating something with Florida in order to get rid of him. Unless you have a link with some quotes, I call BS. Prove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 If the White Sox can't come up with a better candidate for what continues to remain a rebuild than Ozzie, there's pretty much zero reason to have any faith in things turning around until wholesale changes are made. That said, I don't believe they're that stupid and short-sighted to use Ozzie mostly as a marketing gimmick and foil against the Cubs' surge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 08:40 PM) Unless you have a link with some quotes, I call BS. Prove it. Didn't mean to offend/anger. I just recall the Sox and their fans being mighty happy that Ozzie got that deal worked out with Florida. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Why aren't other teams knocking on Ozzie's door? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 09:28 PM) Why aren't other teams knocking on Ozzie's door? Can't hire a guy who has said the things he's said. And like somebody pointed out, his kids can't be controlled. The result?? No job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwritecode Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 03:26 PM) Didn't mean to offend/anger. I just recall the Sox and their fans being mighty happy that Ozzie got that deal worked out with Florida. The fact that many were happy to see him gone doesn't change the fact that he quit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 17, 2015 Author Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 03:26 PM) Didn't mean to offend/anger. I just recall the Sox and their fans being mighty happy that Ozzie got that deal worked out with Florida. Seriously, let's see some proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 They had a meeting during the season and two sides decided to part? Proof enough for you? So he signed with Marlins. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/25245790/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 02:36 PM) As I recall, Management was all for Ozzie negotiating something with Florida in order to get rid of him. Yes. I meant risking your hard earned money. Good chance of a zombie like performance if you go see a Sox game. Thing is, KW did want Ozzie gone and Florida took care of the problem. You recall wrong, as per usual when you discuss Ozzie leaving the Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 17, 2015 Author Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 03:52 PM) They had a meeting during the season and two sides decided to part? Proof enough for you? So he signed with Marlins. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/25245790/ He quit because he had already negotiated the job offer with the Marlins. That is why they gave up compensation for him, so we couldn't call it tampering, which it really was. "There is something in place in the event that one particular team gets him," said White Sox general manager Ken Williams of the potential return for Guillen. "But he's free to negotiate with anybody. He's free to talk to anybody at this point and time." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 09:02 PM) He quit because he had already negotiated the job offer with the Marlins. That is why they gave up compensation for him, so we couldn't call it tampering, which it really was. The article states he met with the Sox about extension. Sox said no and gave blessing to get another job. They were doing handstands as they got compensation for KW's enemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 17, 2015 Author Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 04:03 PM) The article states he met with the Sox about extension. Sox said no and gave blessing to get another job. They were doing handstands as they got compensation for KW's enemy. Then why have a clause written in for compensation if he left to one particular team... it was almost as if he had already been negotiating with them before he was released from his contract... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 10:04 PM) Then why have a clause written in for compensation if he left to one particular team... it was almost as if he had already been negotiating with them before he was released from his contract... I think that's semantics. You asked me to find an article as proof and I found one. The meeting did take place. Jerry and KW said no thanks on the extension and gave him the OK to move on. If he quit, so did Jerry and KW. So to you "Ozzie quit so I hate him" people, how do you justify not saying KW and Jerry quit in letting Ozzie go with 5 games to play? Those were mighty important games u know (obvious joke). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 07:36 PM) As I recall, Management was all for Ozzie negotiating something with Florida in order to get rid of him. Yes. I meant risking your hard earned money. Good chance of a zombie like performance if you go see a Sox game. Thing is, KW did want Ozzie gone and Florida took care of the problem. i am more than sure, it was meant for after the season..... not during the present season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 08:28 PM) Why aren't other teams knocking on Ozzie's door? maybe b/c his kids are answering the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 17, 2015 Author Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 04:22 PM) I think that's semantics. You asked me to find an article as proof and I found one. The meeting did take place. Jerry and KW said no thanks on the extension and gave him the OK to move on. If he quit, so did Jerry and KW. So to you "Ozzie quit so I hate him" people, how do you justify not saying KW and Jerry quit in letting Ozzie go with 5 games to play? Those were mighty important games u know (obvious joke). It is not semantics. If Ozzie doesn't want to quit, there is no need to grant him a release. If he wasn't looking to leave the team in the first place, there is no need to get a release. Ozzie quit. All that article does it prove exactly what we all have been saying to you for years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 08:52 PM) They had a meeting during the season and two sides decided to part? Proof enough for you? So he signed with Marlins. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/25245790/ but it did say that he asked to be allow to leave.... to quit on the team. still he was still prob negotiating with the marlins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 09:22 PM) I think that's semantics. You asked me to find an article as proof and I found one. The meeting did take place. Jerry and KW said no thanks on the extension and gave him the OK to move on. If he quit, so did Jerry and KW. So to you "Ozzie quit so I hate him" people, how do you justify not saying KW and Jerry quit in letting Ozzie go with 5 games to play? Those were mighty important games u know (obvious joke). no it isn't.... it was a business move. as it was a business move for ozzie to look elsewhere..... when the season ended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 05:32 PM) no it isn't.... it was a business move. as it was a business move for ozzie to look elsewhere..... when the season ended. Ozzie had no legal right to look elsewhere unless the team let him out of his contract for 2012. To do otherwise was to breach his contract. Which he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 09:35 PM) Ozzie had no legal right to look elsewhere unless the team let him out of his contract for 2012. To do otherwise was to breach his contract. Which he did. yup... you are 100 % correct. i was wrong on the comment. but let ma add this one note. when jr gave him the hand shake, was it intended for the offseason or was it when the contract was over.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 10:35 PM) Ozzie had no legal right to look elsewhere unless the team let him out of his contract for 2012. To do otherwise was to breach his contract. Which he did. So the Sox tell him they won't add years to his contract. They give their blessing to move on and yet you guys won't get off the "he quit" brigade. You guys want everything I guess. Sox want Ozzie out - Done. Sox get compensation - Done. Sox don't have to pay him a final disastrous season - Done. Yet at the conclusion of all that: "We still hate you Ozzie. You quit on the team." Makes very little sense. You got everything you wanted and STILL hate the guy. Hate him for his mouth. Hate him for his kids. Hate him for his Sunday lineups and no sense of urgency as he became a fixture and complacent, but don't hate him for some phantom quitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 17, 2015 Author Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 04:46 PM) So the Sox tell him they won't add years to his contract. They give their blessing to move on and yet you guys won't get off the "he quit" brigade. You guys want everything I guess. Sox want Ozzie out - Done. Sox get compensation - Done. Sox don't have to pay him a final disastrous season - Done. Yet at the conclusion of all that: "We still hate you Ozzie. You quit on the team." Makes very little sense. You got everything you wanted and STILL hate the guy. Hate him for his mouth. Hate him for his kids. Hate him for his Sunday lineups and no sense of urgency as he became a fixture and complacent, but don't hate him for some phantom quitting. Except that isn't how it actually happened, at all. Ozzie tried to make it him or Kenny, he lost, and then quit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 7 pages of a thread about Ozzie, written by Levine. Yep, its been one of those seasons alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 04:46 PM) So the Sox tell him they won't add years to his contract. They give their blessing to move on and yet you guys won't get off the "he quit" brigade. You guys want everything I guess. Sox want Ozzie out - Done. Sox get compensation - Done. Sox don't have to pay him a final disastrous season - Done. Yet at the conclusion of all that: "We still hate you Ozzie. You quit on the team." Makes very little sense. You got everything you wanted and STILL hate the guy. Hate him for his mouth. Hate him for his kids. Hate him for his Sunday lineups and no sense of urgency as he became a fixture and complacent, but don't hate him for some phantom quitting. People hating Ozzie(they don't, they dislike him) has absolutely no correlation with what happened or the fact that he quit on the team after he made a power move that got stonewalled I really wish you could understand this We(fans) did not let Ozzie out of his contract to go to the team he negotiated with WHILE MANAGING THE WHITE SOX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 09:46 PM) So the Sox tell him they won't add years to his contract. They give their blessing to move on and yet you guys won't get off the "he quit" brigade. You guys want everything I guess. Sox want Ozzie out - Done. Sox get compensation - Done. Sox don't have to pay him a final disastrous season - Done. Yet at the conclusion of all that: "We still hate you Ozzie. You quit on the team." Makes very little sense. You got everything you wanted and STILL hate the guy. Hate him for his mouth. Hate him for his kids. Hate him for his Sunday lineups and no sense of urgency as he became a fixture and complacent, but don't hate him for some phantom quitting. the sox fans did not hate ozzie and in fact, if i remember correctly, they were defending him. instead asking for kw to leave and give ozzie the raise. b/c he won the WS. this was all done after the fact. how many times was there a whole lot of defense for ozzie??? the point is, he abandon the org, b/c he did not get his way, just like a spoiled willful child. and as an after thought, his spoiled brats, took up the mantle to go to war in the press and / or any way they can. can you really say right here and now, that you still think he did not quit on the org, esp during the season and was in an on-going discussion with the marlins?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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