WBWSF Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I don't know if Ozzie gets another chance to manage the White Sox or elsewhere. I do know that EVERYBODY I talk to wants Ventura to be gone. JR is not a stupid man. I've read and heard all this talk about him being loyal to his front office and manager. There might be some truth to that but he has to realize that Ventura has to go. JR didn't resign Albert Belle after he hit over 40 Home Runs for the White Sox. JR realized that Belle was not wanted back by the White Sox fans and he didn't bring him back. He has to realize by now that Ventura is not wanted back here as White Sox manager. Dan McGrath (writer for the Sun Times) has said that Ventura will not come back next year. He said Ventura is not enjoying his job. I hope McGrath is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 IIRC Belle had an out clause in his contract and he used it and went to the Orioles for another big payday before his degenerative hip caught up to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 11:49 PM) IIRC Belle had an out clause in his contract and he used it and went to the Orioles for another big payday before his degenerative hip caught up to him And was a pain in the butt to everyone while Ventura gets along well with everyone. Big difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 QUOTE (WBWSF @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 11:11 PM) I don't know if Ozzie gets another chance to manage the White Sox or elsewhere. I do know that EVERYBODY I talk to wants Ventura to be gone. JR is not a stupid man. I've read and heard all this talk about him being loyal to his front office and manager. There might be some truth to that but he has to realize that Ventura has to go. JR didn't resign Albert Belle after he hit over 40 Home Runs for the White Sox. JR realized that Belle was not wanted back by the White Sox fans and he didn't bring him back. He has to realize by now that Ventura is not wanted back here as White Sox manager. Dan McGrath (writer for the Sun Times) has said that Ventura will not come back next year. He said Ventura is not enjoying his job. I hope McGrath is correct. now if KW will be added to leaving as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 10:05 PM) the sox fans did not hate ozzie and in fact, if i remember correctly, they were defending him. instead asking for kw to leave and give ozzie the raise. b/c he won the WS. this was all done after the fact. This board backed Kenny fully. There was almost unanimous dislike of Ozzie and wanting him gone. I may have been his only 'vocal' backer on here. Fans on here had tremendous dislike of Ozzeroo. I kept reminding everybody he brought Chicago a title. Like I said they backed Kenny over Oz. I call it 'hate.' Call it whatever u want. QUOTE (WBWSF @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 11:11 PM) Dan McGrath (writer for the Sun Times) has said that Ventura will not come back next year. He said Ventura is not enjoying his job. I hope McGrath is correct. Wow. I do feel sorry for Robin. It's why former players should probably not manage. It usually ends up sad. I love Robin and even like his style sort of. It's just that his teams do not compete and have a lot of problems. Remember this team was picked by many to win the division and it was really truly a lousy team. I feel sorry for Robin. Truly do. But with him at the helm, there's no hope next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) This board backed Kenny fully. There was almost unanimous dislike of Ozzie and wanting him gone. I may have been his only 'vocal' backer on here. Fans on here had tremendous dislike of Ozzeroo. I kept reminding everybody he brought Chicago a title. Like I said they backed Kenny over Oz. I call it 'hate.' Call it whatever u want. i understand, but b/c he, ozzie, lead the team to a WS championship, does not give him a life long pass on any misdeeds. misdeeds such as ozzie had done and that is the crux of this whole string of msg. also remember 1 thing, i tried to stay out of this discussion b/c of my dislike for both kw and ozzie. both i really disliked since the late 90's. but as i said before, earlier on thurs, he quit on the org. a contract is a contract. he violated his contract and the marlins were guilty of tampering. which was proven. there is no free pass. Wow. I do feel sorry for Robin. It's why former players should probably not manage. It usually ends up sad. I love Robin and even like his style sort of. It's just that his teams do not compete and have a lot of problems. Remember this team was picked by many to win the division and it was really truly a lousy team. I feel sorry for Robin. Truly do. But with him at the helm, there's no hope next year. only if they were qualified to be a manager. Edited September 18, 2015 by LDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 05:05 PM) the sox fans did not hate ozzie and in fact, if i remember correctly, they were defending him. instead asking for kw to leave and give ozzie the raise. b/c he won the WS. this was all done after the fact. how many times was there a whole lot of defense for ozzie??? the point is, he abandon the org, b/c he did not get his way, just like a spoiled willful child. and as an after thought, his spoiled brats, took up the mantle to go to war in the press and / or any way they can. can you really say right here and now, that you still think he did not quit on the org, esp during the season and was in an on-going discussion with the marlins?? I hated Ozzie. I hated him at the time of the hire, but just because I thought he was an ass, not because of his management ability. He got a grudgingly acceptance from me for a while because of the WS, but even that wears off. When his petulance because too much, and when his kids just wouldn't s*** their pie hole long enough to at least remove the feet they stuck in there earlier, it was just too much. Glad he was gone, glad he isn't coming back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Sep 18, 2015 -> 07:59 PM) I hated Ozzie. I hated him at the time of the hire, but just because I thought he was an ass, not because of his management ability. He got a grudgingly acceptance from me for a while because of the WS, but even that wears off. When his petulance because too much, and when his kids just wouldn't s*** their pie hole long enough to at least remove the feet they stuck in there earlier, it was just too much. Glad he was gone, glad he isn't coming back. Can you imagine if the Sox hadn't won it all in 2005? We might never have a modern day title on the south side. We arguably have one of the worst franchises in all of sports. And yet this team won it all in 05. Who was the manager of this team? Ozzie Guillen. Thank you Mr. Guillen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 18, 2015 -> 03:02 PM) Can you imagine if the Sox hadn't won it all in 2005? We might never have a modern day title on the south side. We arguably have one of the worst franchises in all of sports. And yet this team won it all in 05. Who was the manager of this team? Ozzie Guillen. Thank you Mr. Guillen! Yes, Thank you, and now be on your way. I still don't like him very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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