southsider2k5 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Dan Hayes @CSNHayes 16m16 minutes ago Jeff Samardzija watched footage, thinks has been tipping pitches, particularly fastball. Credits video guy Bryan Johnson for adjustment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Why wouldn't he say this? It's not like he's just going to admit that he's been trash for a good 3/4 of the season. This is bologna IMO. I need to see an improvement over several starts to believe this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 QUOTE (Mike F. @ Sep 21, 2015 -> 03:10 PM) Why wouldn't he say this? It's not like he's just going to admit that he's been trash for a good 3/4 of the season. This is bologna IMO. I need to see an improvement over several starts to believe this. Because today is much more in line with the rest of his career than the rest of his post ASG starts were. While people can debate the who #1/#2 starter thing before that point, the guy has always been a pretty good pitcher. This isn't like John Danks pitching a shutout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Maybe Chris should check out his Twins starts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 QUOTE (Mike F. @ Sep 21, 2015 -> 09:10 PM) Why wouldn't he say this? It's not like he's just going to admit that he's been trash for a good 3/4 of the season. This is bologna IMO. I need to see an improvement over several starts to believe this. 100 % correct for my opinions. trying hard, really hard to make up for his shiiting outings, esp since the ASG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Mike F. @ Sep 21, 2015 -> 03:10 PM) Why wouldn't he say this? It's not like he's just going to admit that he's been trash for a good 3/4 of the season. This is bologna IMO. I need to see an improvement over several starts to believe this. Tipping pitches makes a lot more sense than Samardzija suddenly forgetting how to pitch and becoming the worst pitcher in baseball (which he has been since the ASB). Edited September 21, 2015 by OmarComing25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I don't think he's tipping hit pitches so much as leaving hanging breaking balls over the middle of the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Nice to see Jeff make excuses on September 21st.............he has been awful not just on the fastball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Certainly possible, but it took him this long to figure it out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 how does it take this long for a professional to realize this? How many people are watching videos of him this year trying to figure it out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 His location has been bad for most of the year.he has thrown a lot of meatballs, but if he thinks he was tipping his pitches, and changed something, that is good too. Whether he really was or not isn't relevant. He should be pitching with more confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 The Jeff S 2016 QO acceptance campaign in full swing. Welcome back Jeff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Sep 21, 2015 -> 04:10 PM) I don't think he's tipping hit pitches so much as leaving hanging breaking balls over the middle of the plate. Absolutely. I've only watched the MLB.tv highlights lately when he starts, but most of the run-scoring pitches that have been crushed are hanging spinfests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 There's nothing in his previous stats that say "great pitcher". I can't except the hype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Sep 21, 2015 -> 03:32 PM) Certainly possible, but it took him this long to figure it out? Not just Samardzija, the evidently adored Bryan Johnson. October is a few days away- should have just worried about it over the offseason at this point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 21, 2015 -> 09:12 PM) There's nothing in his previous stats that say "great pitcher". I can't except the hype. There's certainly nothing in his previous stats that say worst pitcher in baseball either. At the very least you can say he's been a pretty good #3 pitcher in his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 QUOTE (scs787 @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 12:21 PM) There's certainly nothing in his previous stats that say worst pitcher in baseball either. At the very least you can say he's been a pretty good #3 pitcher in his career. I definitely didn't predict the end of season disaster, but there was signal in his stats that he was trending downwards even early this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) His 2015 WHIP is actually lower than it was as a Cub. His K rate is down 1.5 from his Cub days. His walk rate is down 1.5 from his Cub days. He just was never really all that good. Football at ND and pitching for the Cubs apparently makes your reputation a lot better than your results. Edited September 22, 2015 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 12:38 PM) His 2015 WHIP is actually lower than it was as a Cub. His K rate is down 1.5 from his Cub days. His walk rate is down 1.5 from his Cub days. He just was never really all that good. Football at ND and pitching for the Cubs apparently makes your reputation a lot better than your results. He's walking fewer people but he's also striking out fewer people. That means more balls in play, more reliance on your defense, probably more solid contact, more home runs/PA. You wouldn't have guessed from those numbers he was going to collapse in August, but you did have reason to say "please don't sign this guy long term there's a real big risk here". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 06:05 PM) He's walking fewer people but he's also striking out fewer people. That means more balls in play, more reliance on your defense, probably more solid contact, more home runs/PA. You wouldn't have guessed from those numbers he was going to collapse in August, but you did have reason to say "please don't sign this guy long term there's a real big risk here". yous guys are really looking into this, this is the kind of stuff that i would never have look at now, lets alone 10+ yrs ago. all i know and can relate to is, the old time saying of giving up. he and i will stick to my assessment that he gave up at ASG. i may be a minority here in my way of thinking, but i still don't think he is worth signing a long term contract. but i will still give him a QO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) If this explanation regarding tipping pitches is legitimate, I would change my opinion to now, at least favor making a QO. However, I would still hope that the Sox would not try to sign him to a long term, expensive contract. Edited September 22, 2015 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 How did his splitter look yesterday? Fangraphs put out a pretty solid article 5 days ago basically saying the reason he has struggled is because he is leaving his splitter in the strikezone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 QUOTE (Lillian @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 06:30 PM) If this explanation regarding tipping pitches is legitimate, I would change my opinion to now, at least favor making a QO. However, I would still hope that the Sox would not try to sign him to a long term, expensive contract. Don't fall for the hype. Tipping pitches, whatever. Definitely can make the QO though cause he won't accept it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Yeah, I don't buy it. This just sounds like PR to get him some of the potential big money. He should have taken the White Sox earlier offers and we're so lucky he didn't take those offers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Sep 21, 2015 -> 04:10 PM) I don't think he's tipping hit pitches so much as leaving hanging breaking balls over the middle of the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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