DonkeyKongerko Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 We lost to Boston yesterday and Minnesota did not take advantage by losing a very winnable game against Cleveland. If we can stay afloat in the remaining two games in Boston and the series in Minnesota by staying tied or within a game of first, we'll go into the final 10 games of the year with a good shot. KC may be on the verge of conceding the 2003 campaign leaving them ripe for a spanking and giving us a good chance to win a bunch of games in our final seven games. This is my only hope and it is still slim but it allows me to sleep at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 We lost to Boston yesterday and Minnesota did not take advantage by losing a very winnable game against Cleveland. If we can stay afloat in the remaining two games in Boston and the series in Minnesota by staying tied or within a game of first, we'll go into the final 10 games of the year with a good shot. KC may be on the verge of conceding the 2003 campaign leaving them ripe for a spanking and giving us a good chance to win a bunch of games in our final seven games. This is my only hope and it is still slim but it allows me to sleep at night. Thats a good point Donkey. If you look at the last three games played with Boston, we have basically shut their offense down. 5 hits yesterday.........2 hits against Colon in his loss.....not sure how many there were in the extra inning game at the cell. Obviously the walks killed us more then anything last night and I'm doubtful you will ever see another walk a thon like that the remaining games. Colon has been sharp his last several starts. I expect him to pitch another great game today; hopefully we'll give him more support off the knuckleballer Wakefield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaiza21 Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 The Twins are having a Sox like slump...mmmm....yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 We can't depend on Detroit and Cleveland to get the job done the next several nights. I wouldn't think there will be another day where both KC and Minn. lose (to these teams atleast). Get 1 (hopefully 2) in Boston and then we can worry about Minn. It wouldn't be a great situation going into the dome 2 games out and expecting a sweep to stay in the race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 TO BE THE BEST, YOU MUST BEAT THE BEST. WIN 'EM ALL! TAKE NO PRISONERS! Send Jerry to the brig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 I'm optimistic for a couple reasons. KW is talking about signing some of these guys to extensions, which shows the Sox are gonna try again next year. I was very worried that if they didn't make it this season, then we'd see a whole new team next year. This team, on the most part, has the talent to go deep. This season isn't over and they still got a good shot. Take the next two and stay even or if somehow they go up one, then it will be HUGE. Odds are though, I am starting to think were gonna see a new manager on the southside next year as well as a few new starters, but on the most part this team is gonna be back, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 I'm optimistic for a couple reasons. KW is talking about signing some of these guys to extensions, which shows the Sox are gonna try again next year. I was very worried that if they didn't make it this season, then we'd see a whole new team next year. This team, on the most part, has the talent to go deep. This season isn't over and they still got a good shot. Take the next two and stay even or if somehow they go up one, then it will be HUGE. Odds are though, I am starting to think were gonna see a new manager on the southside next year as well as a few new starters, but on the most part this team is gonna be back, imo. I sure hope so. I think some new management and a little new blood while holding this team together could do a ton of good. Guess we won't know until next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 We lost to Boston yesterday and Minnesota did not take advantage by losing a very winnable game against Cleveland. If we can stay afloat in the remaining two games in Boston and the series in Minnesota by staying tied or within a game of first, we'll go into the final 10 games of the year with a good shot. KC may be on the verge of conceding the 2003 campaign leaving them ripe for a spanking and giving us a good chance to win a bunch of games in our final seven games. This is my only hope and it is still slim but it allows me to sleep at night. I hope youre joking. This series is the toughest series of the rest of the schedule for the twins, other than us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 Is there any way KW could be gone? I sure hope not. He's a big part of the problem. Almost everything he touches turns to s***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 I'm optimistic for a couple reasons. KW is talking about signing some of these guys to extensions, which shows the Sox are gonna try again next year. I was very worried that if they didn't make it this season, then we'd see a whole new team next year. This team, on the most part, has the talent to go deep. This season isn't over and they still got a good shot. Take the next two and stay even or if somehow they go up one, then it will be HUGE. Odds are though, I am starting to think were gonna see a new manager on the southside next year as well as a few new starters, but on the most part this team is gonna be back, imo. If most everyone is back next year, and we have a new manager on the south side, i whould think we should see good things. Is there any way KW could be gone? I sure hope not. Not a chance in hell, imo. I do think this team will have a new starting shortstop next season and they probably won't have Alomar Jr. back. Thats just a hunch I have. Rowand/Reed/Borchard will be in center with Lee and Maggs in left and right and the bench will be a bit different as Daubach will be gone. I am pretty sure the Sox will lose Everett and Daubach. After that I think the bullpen will be very similar as will the rotation. I see the same 4 starters next year with Cotts, maybe a cheap free agent signing and some other youngsters getting a shot at the 5th spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 I think thats crap Cub. What else could he have done this year, realistically. I know the Flouke deal f***ed us big time, but he was responsible for Gordon, Marte, Robbie, Carl, Bartolo, and lets not foget Elo. ELo was simply the cheapest pitcher out there that JR would be willing to sign. Anyone that cost money at the point where ELo donned a White Sox uniform was spoken for. I give KW zero credit for ELo. If anyone gets credit on that signing, it's our miser of an Owner JR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 I think thats crap Cub. What else could he have done this year, realistically. I know the Flouke deal f***ed us big time, but he was responsible for Gordon, Marte, Robbie, Carl, Bartolo, and lets not foget Elo. Gordon does not count....nor does ELo. Signing FA's is so f***ing easy a 1st grader could do it. He's not thinking about all....he just says "Here's some money for you, all you have to do is sign on the line and that money is yours." How hard is that? I give NO ONE credit for Gordon and Elo being successful. Just like I don't give a s*** that KW signed Gil Heredia, Jose Paniagua, Alan Embree, Bill Pulsipher, etc, etc, etc. So odd that you mention the few that have worked out and do not mention those that have not and have actually made him look stupid. As far as Marte is concerned, we were lucky. The fact that Marte went from being s*** to being the best LH reliever in the game in 2 years is, what most people call, a fluke. Robbie and Everett...again, I give him no credit for. Those are moves someone with as much knowledge about the game as say, oh, me, could make those deals. You just contact teams that are out of the races about a veteran hitter on their team who is a FA after this year, say we'll give you 3 prospects(or in Texas's case, we'll give you a list of 8 and you pick 3), and then have them pay for all but the $150,000 or so that you must pay to have them on your team. How hard could that be? The fact that he kept Robbie from KC was a very good move. So the only move out of those I give him credit for is Colon, and once again, you for some odd reason leave Wells, Ritchie, and Koch out of the conversation....I'm not sure why. Point blank....KW has gotten f***ed over big time on 3 different occassions.....and they all have killed us in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeportHeather Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 Point blank....KW has gotten f***ed over big time on 3 different occassions.....and they all have killed us in the long run. KW hasn't been "f***ed over." The only reason some of those trades didn't work out is because of JM's dumbass mismanagement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 Point blank....KW has gotten f***ed over big time on 3 different occassions.....and they all have killed us in the long run. Will you please explain to me how the wells traded f***ed us over in the long run, because I'm sure if we had sirotka we'd be much better off right now, and yes the ritchie and koch trades turned out being bad, but kw has done his job he's put a team out there that should win this division and would have a chance to go deep into the playoffs, KW has done his job, JM has not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 KW hasn't been "f***ed over." The only reason some of those trades didn't work out is because of JM's dumbass mismanagement. I think KW has made some unwise moves going back awhile now. I think sending Fogg and Wells both to the Pirates for Ritchie was a classic boo-boo. Foulke for Koch was a bomb. Many of us commented about how Foulke beat Koch in every category. But, KW has done some excellent moves too. Marte, R Alomar, Sullivan, et al were all good. I think you can forget Manuel going anywhere next year. He will be back with the Sox. The guy even has the Chicago press backing him now. It's amazing how a win streak does that. I hope we keep as many of these players as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 How many of these guys do the Sox have under contract for next year? How many of them are going to try to sign? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 The Royals almost got Alomar, but KW stepped in and offered Ring, which was a smart move IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Will you please explain to me how the wells traded f***ed us over in the long run, because I'm sure if we had sirotka we'd be much better off right now, and yes the ritchie and koch trades turned out being bad, but kw has done his job he's put a team out there that should win this division and would have a chance to go deep into the playoffs, KW has done his job, JM has not. You're telling me that shouldergate was good for baseball? And that KW getting the reputation of being a dirty dealer was good for us? The fact that the trade was not overturned was a miracle....I'm sure if JR and Selig weren't such good friends, that that deal actually is overturned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Bulls***! Giving no one credit for signing Estaban???? I dont care if we did get lucky, he made a move, and made the team better by doing it. Signing a guy for 550,000 and giving us at least 19 wins, "a first grader" as you say, couldnt do that. As for the Robbie and Carl deals, there was at least a 3, 4 team race for Robbie, and im sure a few teams were interested in Carl. To acquire two muliti year all star players in 1 night, is pretty good in my book. OK, I'll let you give KW credit for finding a diamond in the rough. Now do I get to mention Thomas Jacquez, Pulsipher, Embree, Kohlmeier, bringing Harold Baines back for 01, Julio Ramirez, Royce Clayton, Rick White, D'Angelo Jimenez, Osuna, Barry-Berry, Durham-for-Adkins....need I continue? Again, anybody could come up with those trades. Are you going to tell me that any person who knows baseball couldn't do that kind of deal? I know for certain I could have gotten us Alomar and Everett....it's a matter of putting the right numbers on the table and having everything agree. The one time everything didn't agree was when Scott Williamson went to the Red Sox....shortly thereafter, we got Sullivan. The only trade I will ever give him credit for is Colon, and I'm almost certain Selig had a hand in getting us Colon as well. Selig and Cashman most likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniBob72 Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 You're telling me that shouldergate was good for baseball? And that KW getting the reputation of being a dirty dealer was good for us? Yeah, it's obvious his terrible reputation is hurting the Sox. He can't seem to pull off a deal anymore! Other than R. Alomar, Everett, Colon, Koch, Marte, and Sullivan, he can't seem to trade for anybody! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 OK, I'll let you give KW credit for finding a diamond in the rough. Now do I get to mention Thomas Jacquez, Pulsipher, Embree, Kohlmeier, bringing Harold Baines back for 01, Julio Ramirez, Royce Clayton, Rick White, D'Angelo Jimenez, Osuna, Barry-Berry, Durham-for-Adkins....need I continue? Thank you for pointing out what should be obvious once again. I get sick and tired of being one of the only ones that constantly has to bring up the myriad of s*** that has come our way courtesy of KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 You're telling me that shouldergate was good for baseball? And that KW getting the reputation of being a dirty dealer was good for us? Yeah, it's obvious his terrible reputation is hurting the Sox. He can't seem to pull off a deal anymore! Other than R. Alomar, Everett, Colon, Koch, Marte, and Sullivan, he can't seem to trade for anybody! Have you noticed that practically all of KW's deals from "ShoulderGate" on have involved strictly our young, healthy, minor leaguers with possibly bright futures ahead of them? Or maybe it's just me. KW's mortgaging the minors because no GM wants a Sirotka-like acquisition from the Majors courtesy of KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniBob72 Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 You're telling me that shouldergate was good for baseball? And that KW getting the reputation of being a dirty dealer was good for us? Yeah, it's obvious his terrible reputation is hurting the Sox. He can't seem to pull off a deal anymore! Other than R. Alomar, Everett, Colon, Koch, Marte, and Sullivan, he can't seem to trade for anybody! Have you noticed that practically all of KW's deals from "ShoulderGate" on have involved strictly our young, healthy, minor leaguers with possibly bright futures ahead of them? Or maybe it's just me. KW's mortgaging the minors because no GM wants a Sirotka-like acquisition from the Majors courtesy of KW. It's just you. Minor league players get injured just like major leaguers. Just ask Jon Rauch. If anything, it'd probably be easier to sneak an injured minor leaguer into a deal than a major leaguer. Besides, Foulke, Kip Wells, D. Jimenez, S. Lowe, Josh Fogg, were all traded from the major league roster after "Shouldergate". And I don't buy this whole thing about mortgaging the minor leagues. Other than Ring, the Sox gave up nobody. Webster may be something someday, but Reed offsets him. They still have Reed, Borchard, Rauch, Honel, so they're OK. And besides, why is winning in 2007 better than winning now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 And besides, why is winning in 2007 better than winning now? Please don't make me point out the obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Besides, Foulke, Kip Wells, D. Jimenez, S. Lowe, Josh Fogg, were all traded from the major league roster after "Shouldergate". We trade Foulke for a broken down Botch. We trade K Wells, Fogg, and Lowe for a broken down before August nearing 20 losses Ritchie. Jimenez? I forgot who was involved in the trade for that lazy piece of s***. You have a point. Other GM's are now hoodwinking KW into taking their injured garbage . My mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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