southsider2k5 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Oct 7, 2015 -> 08:07 PM) How? They shed 28 million in player payroll by trading peavy and rios. And abreu' salary is back loaded Big losses in revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Oct 7, 2015 -> 08:07 PM) How? They shed 28 million in player payroll by trading peavy and rios. And abreu' salary is back loaded And Abreu can opt out after next year and go through arbitration his remaining 3 years so he will likely get more than what he's signed for. Changing his agent this year bodes well that he will do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Oct 6, 2015 -> 10:29 AM) They only spent about 90 million and lost money? Either way, that’s bound to happen once in a while. My point though is the Sox are not the type of team that is going to go all out and spend big money to try to win it all. Something like the Tigers have been doing the past few years. That’s just not how they operate and I doubt it ever will be. According to Forbes, they made money in 2014, and lost something like $3 million in 2013, but supposedly were counting Abreu's signing bonus in that figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 10:00 AM) And Abreu can opt out after next year and go through arbitration his remaining 3 years so he will likely get more than what he's signed for. Changing his agent this year bodes well that he will do that. I doubt he opts out after next year. His salary that year is $12.1 million with another $26.8 million guaranteed the following two years. The current record for a first year arbitration eligible player is $10 million by Ryan Howard in 2008 and he had already won an MVP. Abreu would probably break that record but not by much. Would it really be worth risking $26 million in guaranteed salaries to have a chance to gain a couple more million in 2017? I don't think so. Say he goes out and has a career ending injury in 2017. That Sox non tender him the next year and he just forfeited that $26 million. I think if he has another good 2016 and 2017 he will opt out after 2017. The risk/reward is a little more worth it to him at that time. Edited October 8, 2015 by lasttriptotulsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 10:30 AM) I doubt he opts out after next year. His salary that year is $12.1 million with another $26.8 million guaranteed the following two years. The current record for a first year arbitration eligible player is $10 million by Ryan Howard in 2008 and he had already won an MVP. Abreu would probably break that record but not by much. Would it really be worth risking $26 million in guaranteed salaries to have a chance to gain a couple more million in 2017? I don't think so. Say he goes out and has a career ending injury in 2017. That Sox non tender him the next year and he just forfeited that $26 million. I think if he has another good 2016 and 2017 he will opt out after 2017. The risk/reward is a little more worth it to him at that time. What does he make next season? Because the arbitration raise would be on-top of that. Edit: just checked. His salary is $11,667,000 in 2016 according to baseball reference. For 2017 it is $12,167,000. So his salary going through arb would be well over the $12,167,000 because he would def get more than a 500k raise in arbitration. Edited October 8, 2015 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 10:33 AM) What does he make next season? Because the arbitration raise would be on-top of that. Edit: just checked. His salary is $11,667,000 in 2016 according to baseball reference. For 2017 it is $12,167,000. So his salary going through arb would be well over the $12,167,000. That has nothing to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 10:36 AM) That has nothing to do with it. How does it work then? This is my understanding of it. It's more concrete to me on guys coming up through a system and going through the process as opposed to coming over at a later age. Edited October 8, 2015 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 10:33 AM) What does he make next season? Because the arbitration raise would be on-top of that. Next years salary has nothing to do with his arbitration other than setting the minimum the Sox can offer. If he opts out after next year his 17,18 & 19 guaranteed salaries go away and he is at the mercy of an arbitrator unless he agrees to a new deal with the Sox. Edited October 8, 2015 by lasttriptotulsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 10:37 AM) How does it work then? This is my understanding of it. It's more concrete to me on guys coming up through a system and going through the process as opposed to coming over at a later age. If Abreu opts out his arbitration process will be no different than any other player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 10:37 AM) How does it work then? This is my understanding of it. It's more concrete to me on guys coming up through a system and going through the process as opposed to coming over at a later age. He gets what any other guy with his numbers would get first year arb eligible. What I am not sure of, is the cut. I believe they couldn't cut his salary any more than 20% from the previous year, but if they are paying him $11 million or $1 million, his arb number, assuming it would be at least $11 million if he was making $1 million, would be the same if he was making $11 million. Edited October 8, 2015 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 10:41 AM) He gets what any other guy with his numbers would get first year arb eligible. What I am not sure of, is the cut. I believe they couldn't cut his salary any more than 20% from the previous year, but if they are paying him $11 million or $1 million, his arb number, assuming it would be at least $11 million if he was making $1 million, would be the same if he was making $11 million. I'm pretty sure that number is correct. So if Abreu's salary is $11 million in 2016 the Sox would have to offer just under $9 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Abreu is not arbitration eligible. He opts out, he is a free agent. He Dosent even get a qualifying offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 12:17 PM) Abreu is not arbitration eligible. He opts out, he is a free agent. He Dosent even get a qualifying offer No he wouldn't be a free agent. He has the option to go through arbitration. Otherwise he would no doubt opt out for free agency to get more money out there. Especially being what 29? He'd get a 6-8 year mega deal easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 12:17 PM) Abreu is not arbitration eligible. He opts out, he is a free agent. He Dosent even get a qualifying offer This isn't true. He can take arbitration on the last 3 years of his deal rather than taking the agreed upon salaries. He's with the White Sox for 6 years regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 12:24 PM) This isn't true. He can take arbitration on the last 3 years of his deal rather than taking the agreed upon salaries. He's with the White Sox for 6 years regardless. As long as the White Sox don't decline to offer him arbit if he opts out, he is ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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