Another School Shooting

[chw42]

So apparently, this kid posted that he was going to shoot up a school in the northwest on 4chan the night before he did this.

 

4chan being 4chan and /b/ being /b/, some of the posters actually encouraged him to do it. Maybe they didn't think he was serious, but it's 4chan, there's all kinds of messed up s*** on there.

Edited October 2, 2015 by chw42

[greg775]

Obama gave a good speech today following the shootings. For those who say he's not religious, BTW, catch the final 30 seconds of his speech. It's all about God.

Obama makes a great line early in the speech. He says many groups will say this proves we need more guns. He said, "Does anybody really believe that??" Good job telling it like it is. Aren't even responsible gun owners sickened by all this? Like Obama said, other countries have mental illness and they don't have these shooting problems. Our country is a cesspool with Americans getting off on killing Americans with enough ammo to kill hundreds. Sick and sad.

Edited October 2, 2015 by greg775

[Brian]

MSNBC interviews someone who was concealed carrying, or whatever the term was. He said he was afraid to pull out his gun in fear of getting shot.

[Jake]

MSNBC interviews someone who was concealed carrying, or whatever the term was. He said he was afraid to pull out his gun in fear of getting shot.

 

Wrong! It's easy to tell who the good people with guns are

[EvilMonkey]

Obama gave a good speech today following the shootings. For those who say he's not religious, BTW, catch the final 30 seconds of his speech. It's all about God.

Obama makes a great line early in the speech. He says many groups will say this proves we need more guns. He said, "Does anybody really believe that??" Good job telling it like it is. Aren't even responsible gun owners sickened by all this? Like Obama said, other countries have mental illness and they don't have these shooting problems. Our country is a cesspool with Americans getting off on killing Americans with enough ammo to kill hundreds. Sick and sad.

Other countries lock up their mentally ill, Greg. And as a responsible gun owner, why should I be embarrassed or ashamed by what some crazy-ass did? He doesn't represent me.

[shysocks]

Doing something for the sake of doing something is stupid. So in other words, you have no suggestions other than 'guns, bad'.

It's not doing something for the sake of doing something, it's doing something for the sake of reducing gun violence. In other words, I don't care to get into a prolonged argument about this because we've both heard all the beats before and it'll just be a dance around in circles.

[Cknolls]

http://news.yahoo.com/lightbox/douglas-cou...3747412056.html

 

2013 letter (written after a previous mass shooting) from local Oregon sheriff stating he won't follow any Federal laws regarding gun control that he believes to be unconstitutional...

 

 

Who else doesn't follow the laws or enforce the existing laws? Hmmmmmm..

[greg775]

So banning guns would be worse because....people would just substitute knives and bombs?

 

I'm almost to the point of agreeing with Greg again, that if the media didn't report for days and days about the shooters and their psychological issues, some of the motivation consequently be would be removed. One of the first social media quotes to come out was about the shooter's feelings of insignificance. "This is the only time I'll be in the news."

 

According to the Oregonian newspaper, the shooter reportedly "asked people to state their religion" before opening fire.

 

Of course, going back at least to John Hinckley almost 35 years ago...you have that same driving force (desire for fame) present in many of these shootings.

 

So now we're getting the predictable stories about the killer and his mother, etc. The killer is glorified forever. The rinse, repeat media cycle will get around to writing about those who were killed (maybe). I guess the more of these incidents we have, the lazier the media will get in reporting about who died. I mean, in reality, the masses don't really care about who the 9 are who died. Those have been made secondary stories -- "ah isn't it a shame that the 19 year old who was shot in the face five times volunteered every summer for the peace corps" Nobody cares. But the media makes us hear about the killer, all his beliefs/motivations, blah blah. f*** the killer. f*** him!!! I say if it's obvious that it's not a deal where others were involved or he reprents ISIS or somebody ... STOP THE COVERAGE OF THE KILLER!!! These people want to be famous and are going to continue plotting these murders.

Right now you damn well know THOUSANDS of cowards in the US of A are thinking about how they are going to make a splash and go out with a bang. Just pray you aren't the poor helpless unarmed sap sitting in church when some crazy busts through the doors with a machine gun. Or at a pep rally at a high school and somebody comes blazing in firing away. Or at a library or in an adult education class when some f***tard comes in and starts shooting.

Stop the madness and quit telling us about these assholes, Mr. and Ms. MEDIA!!!! Take away the fame aspect of this!!!

Edited October 2, 2015 by greg775

[Jake]

Let's all remember that the second amendment was written to simultaneously allow governments to form militias while still giving them the privilege to restrict civilian ownership of guns. http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/th...ntrol-amendment

 

I especially like that thought experiment—if the words "well-regulated" weren't in the amendment now and someone proposed adding them, what would the reaction be? What would the right say the consequences of that phrase's presence would be?

[caulfield12]

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/2/9441957/trump-gun-control

 

 

Trump actually makes sense on gun control/mental health...BUT offers no solutions.

[Quin]

I'm just numb. I got down to the newsroom after class, saw this on our TVs and then just got back to work.

 

Nothing will change. We'll mourn. We'll talk about the heroic dead. We'll ask why the media is saying the killer's name. We'll say it was mental illness. We'll say he'd do it with anything if he couldn't get a gun.

 

And then we'll feel better. We'll forget the heroic dead. We'll forget the killer's name. We won't do anything for mental health in this country. We'll ignore that this keeps happening,

[Jordan4life_2007]

I'm just numb. I got down to the newsroom after class, saw this on our TVs and then just got back to work.

 

Nothing will change. We'll mourn. We'll talk about the heroic dead. We'll ask why the media is saying the killer's name. We'll say it was mental illness. We'll say he'd do it with anything if he couldn't get a gun.

 

And then we'll feel better. We'll forget the heroic dead. We'll forget the killer's name. We won't do anything for mental health in this country. We'll ignore that this keeps happening,

 

I was 16 when Columbine happened. That was my "jfk" moment. Even over 9/11. Any school shooting after Columbine is meh/whatever to me. And I hate to say that.

[greg775]

I'm just numb. I got down to the newsroom after class, saw this on our TVs and then just got back to work.

 

Nothing will change. We'll mourn. We'll talk about the heroic dead. We'll ask why the media is saying the killer's name. We'll say it was mental illness. We'll say he'd do it with anything if he couldn't get a gun.

 

And then we'll feel better. We'll forget the heroic dead. We'll forget the killer's name. We won't do anything for mental health in this country. We'll ignore that this keeps happening,

 

Exactly.

And as this escalates ... wow. In 20 years you won't recognize America. It's really going to be a mean, scary place where people are scared to death to go anywhere. Wait til we get an incident at a sports event, which is inevitable. Wow that will change sports too. Second half of a sports event a couple hours into the game when some nutjobs storm a 20,000 seat hoops arena or 50,000 stadium? Wow. Lots more will be killed but hopefully the rent a cops are armed and kill the nutjobs before they do too much damage.

[caulfield12]

Exactly.

And as this escalates ... wow. In 20 years you won't recognize America. It's really going to be a mean, scary place where people are scared to death to go anywhere. Wait til we get an incident at a sports event, which is inevitable. Wow that will change sports too. Second half of a sports event a couple hours into the game when some nutjobs storm a 20,000 seat hoops arena or 50,000 stadium? Wow. Lots more will be killed but hopefully the rent a cops are armed and kill the nutjobs before they do too much damage.

 

 

That already did happen...in Beslan, Russia, or even a country that always finishes in the top 5-10 of the world for quality of life, Norway (77 shot by one individual).

 

Mass killings far and above anything in US history other than the Oklahoma City bombing.

 

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeremy-haft/..._b_8227680.html

This should calm you down. America already is pretty great!

Edited October 3, 2015 by caulfield12

[Brian]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/...earing-20151001

[EvilMonkey]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/...earing-20151001

4. "Second Amendment, baby."

Here's a good time to remind everyone that the Second Amendment was written by slaveholders before we had electricity, much less the kind of weaponry that would-be murderers can buy today. But sure, if you think it's that precious, we can compromise: If you love the Second Amendment that much, feel free to live in a powdered wig and s*** in a chamberpot while trying to survive off what you can kill with an 18th century musket. In exchange, let those of us living in this century pass some laws so we can feel safe going to class, or the movies, or anywhere without worrying that some maladjusted man will try to get his revenge by raining death on random strangers.

 

Hey Amanda, FYI, all of the amendments were written then, including the first which lets you spew your idiotic nonsense all over the new media, that ALSO wasn't even thought of back then. If you love your first amendment so much, feel free to live in a world without television, radio and the internet, and try and get your message across with one of ole Ben Frankiln's printing presses. Just come out and say what you want, you want to ban guns. There are no laws short of that that you can pass that will 'make you feel safe'. Isn't that what the magical 'gun free zone' was supposed to do?

 

 

[greg775]

Well, it's all over. We are all at war over the nutjobs. Look at this. Four students plotting a mass killing at a high school. Targeting names and ways to kill. Just remember, everytime you step out of your house in America now, you are in a war against the nutjobs that want you dead.

Many reasons for the new warzone called America, but it's undeniable. Going to school nowadays in America is VERY dangerous as is living your life. Some kooks with weapons may kill you. Live each day cause somebody wants you off this planet.

 

Very sad state of affairs in weapon-ridden America. Keep glorifying these killers, media.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/four-california-stud...-175242672.html

[GoSox05]

4. "Second Amendment, baby."

Here's a good time to remind everyone that the Second Amendment was written by slaveholders before we had electricity, much less the kind of weaponry that would-be murderers can buy today. But sure, if you think it's that precious, we can compromise: If you love the Second Amendment that much, feel free to live in a powdered wig and s*** in a chamberpot while trying to survive off what you can kill with an 18th century musket. In exchange, let those of us living in this century pass some laws so we can feel safe going to class, or the movies, or anywhere without worrying that some maladjusted man will try to get his revenge by raining death on random strangers.

 

Hey Amanda, FYI, all of the amendments were written then, including the first which lets you spew your idiotic nonsense all over the new media, that ALSO wasn't even thought of back then. If you love your first amendment so much, feel free to live in a world without television, radio and the internet, and try and get your message across with one of ole Ben Frankiln's printing presses. Just come out and say what you want, you want to ban guns. There are no laws short of that that you can pass that will 'make you feel safe'. Isn't that what the magical 'gun free zone' was supposed to do?

 

 

Just for the record, Umpqua Community College is not a "gun free zone".

 

[EvilMonkey]

Just for the record, Umpqua Community College is not a "gun free zone".

While true, according to state law the schools can't prevent cc license holders from carrying, they try. And how many people see the notices banning guns and don't realize that the school can't do that? Want to risk getting thrown out?

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20150316175339/...ity-information

 

Dangerous Devices

 

Possession, use, or threatened use of firearms (including but not limited to BB guns, air guns, water pistols, and paint guns) ammunition, explosives, dangerous chemicals, or any other objects as weapons on college property, except as expressly authorized by law or college regulations, is prohibited.

 

Most people will read that as not allowed, except for maybe law enforcement.

[greg775]

Say what you want about Limbaugh ... it's not a bad take. He points out a.) the media doesn't want to talk about the fact the gunman targeted Christians. It's uncomfortable for the liberal media who do not wanna go there. And b.) The minute I think I'm for getting rid of all guns I read this and Limbaugh points out this school was a gun-free zone. He says it's exactly what the liberals want. But the bad guy does have guns and there's nobody to stop him cause none of the good guys have guns. It's worth thinking about. If we assume the bad guys are gonna get guns anyway ... don't we have to have some good guys with guns as well? Or else we're just out to get butchered by bad guys ...

If you have time, I challenge you to read Limbaugh's take and not just say, "Gawd-dammit it's Limbaugh!!! I'm not reading Limbaugh!!"

 

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/10/...e_zone_shooting

Edited October 6, 2015 by greg775

[StrangeSox]

Just for the record, Umpqua Community College is not a "gun free zone".

 

[Big Hurtin]

Say what you want about Limbaugh ... it's not a bad take. He points out a.) the media doesn't want to talk about the fact the gunman targeted Christians. It's uncomfortable for the liberal media who do not wanna go there. And b.) The minute I think I'm for getting rid of all guns I read this and Limbaugh points out this school was a gun-free zone. He says it's exactly what the liberals want. But the bad guy does have guns and there's nobody to stop him cause none of the good guys have guns. It's worth thinking about. If we assume the bad guys are gonna get guns anyway ... don't we have to have some good guys with guns as well? Or else we're just out to get butchered by bad guys ...

If you have time, I challenge you to read Limbaugh's take and not just say, "Gawd-dammit it's Limbaugh!!! I'm not reading Limbaugh!!"

 

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/10/...e_zone_shooting

A. Wrong, or at least quite misleading, implying solely Christians were targeted.

 

B. Again, wrong.

 

Rush Limbaugh is full of s***, what a surprise.

[cabiness42]

Just for the record, Umpqua Community College is not a "gun free zone".

 

http://www.umpqua.edu/resources-and-servic...ll=&start=4

 

The following actions and/or behaviors are the types of misconduct for which students may be subject to disciplinary action. These prohibitions are not designed to define misconduct in all-inclusive terms and in no way should this be considered an exhaustive list:

 

Possession or use, without written authorization, of firearms, explosives, dangerous chemicals, substances, or any other weapons or destructive devices that are designed to or readily capable of causing physical injury, on College premises, at College-sponsored or supervised functions or at functions sponsored or participated in by the College.

 

Yes, technically, not a gun free zone so long as you ask for and receive written authorization. I wonder how many times written authorization has been granted?

[caulfield12]

The shooter asked everyone their religious beliefs, but apparently it had nothing to do with who he ended up shooting or not shooting in the end.

 

He also deliberately shot someone in a wheelchair, so there's not much of a pattern here to be seen...even the one witness/hostage who was spared has no clue why he chose him to leave a message for the police.

 

 

This wasn't one of those cases like in Nairobi, Kenya, two years ago where Somali militants were killing all "infidels" who couldn't quote from the Koran/Quran.

[Iwritecode]

His mother stockpiled guns fearing Obama was going to take them.

 

Appears that all the guns were purchased legally.