Hahn Confirms: Ventura back for 2016

[Bigsoxhurt35]

This team needs a slight overhaul defensively. I'd push hard for Arenado. He's under control in COL but will not stay there. There's some bad blood over how the Tulo trade went down. Arenado even had a quote about it. They could move he and CarGo.

[Dick Allen]

For those who may not understand the context please allow me to explain.

 

The time period from 2007 through 2015 has netted the Sox six losing seasons in nine years.

 

From that historical standpoint it is the worst stretch of baseball for the franchise since 1968 through 1980. That time period resulted in two winning seasons, one .500 season and nine losing seasons.

 

I trust this will clear up the confusion.

 

The late 80's and the late 90's have nothing on right now as far as sustained poor baseball results. The late 80's had four losing seasons in a row, that's all. The late 90's had four losing seasons in five years, that's all.

 

Both of those stretches also had the Sox then going on some very good periods...something very hard to imagine at this point in time.

 

Mark

Actually 5 out of 6, and no postseason games from 1984-1992.

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[SCCWS]

This team isn't close unless we make a couple major moves.

 

They are not that far away but I agree they need to make a couple of major successful moves. I say not that far away in that they have 3 very good LH starting pitchers. Few teams have 3 starting pitchers as good as the Sox do. I think they can trade Q or Rodon and get back at least 2 very good players in return. That would weaken the starting pitching but improve the offense and hopefully defense. Then by 2017 they can get or bring up ( Fulmer) a #3 type starter to replace the traded pitcher and Johnson can hopefully replace Shark. Anderson should also be a possibility for 2017 as well.

 

[Thad Bosley]

I love how you love to start trouble with moaning. You obviously failed to mention you actually read the article which would make the title all wrong. The quotes were from players who thought the roster was good enough, not one quote from management. But if you can get this out there to moan, more power to you. Why don't you read the article and tell us why we should believe they will not make significant changes, I guess it wouldn't fall in line with your constant complaining. Moaning about everything, to borrow one on your lines, that's how Lip rolls.

You ought to do us all a favor and take your own advice and go cheer for another team - a successful one, one that wins enough games to make it into the postseason more than once a decade. That way you'd be able to frequent a fan message board that has the privilege of spending their time talking about and enjoying the success of their team vs. always having to express their frustration over continued failure. Free yourself of all of this "moaning" and "complaining" about the Sox organization's ongoing ineptitude. You'd probably be much happier if you did.

[caulfield12]

Reminiscent of 2006 when the "core" of Konerko/Dye/Thome told KW they were "good" and didn't need to make any major changes.

 

It's like asking the starting pitcher if he wants to come out of the game. You're never going to get an honest answer.

 

Of course the players are not going to say that the only position players assured of starting jobs heading into 2016 should be Abreu, Eaton and Cabrera...and that they don't have enough talent at those other six spots to compete.

 

 

I imagine if the Royals are bounced out of the playoffs, they're going to be in true double-down mode because 2016 is going to be their last/best chance in awhile, with Hosmer/Moustakas likely to move on as free agents before 2017, following Alex Gordon out the door.

 

With a rotation of Ventura, Volquez, Duffy, Medlen and Kyle Zimmer/Miguel Almonte (or a FA addition like Zimmermann), they're not going to be an easy out because of the additional off-season additions they'll make. They won't have Holland next year, either, but losing guys like Gordon and Guthrie frees up some money for replacing Zobrist/Infante at 2B and finding someone like Cespedes for the OF.

 

Since Capuano is the only pitcher in history with 10+ starts after two TJ surgeries, they're going to have to be ultra-careful with Medlen, but it's assumed nearly everywhere they're picking up his $10 million option.

Edited October 12, 2015 by caulfield12

[Dick Allen]

You ought to do us all a favor and take your own advice and go cheer for another team - a successful one, one that wins enough games to make it into the postseason more than once a decade. That way you'd be able to frequent a fan message board that has the privilege of spending their time talking about and enjoying the success of their team vs. always having to express their frustration over continued failure. Free yourself of all of this "moaning" and "complaining" about the Sox organization's ongoing ineptitude. You'd probably be much happier if you did.

Says the guy who said he was going to switch teams but decided to stay so he can whine each day about Jerry Reinsdorf.

 

The team won 1 playoff game between 1960 and 1992, and 2 playoff games between 1960 and 2004, and people are whining that now is the worst stretch ever. The White Sox are the worst organization. Every move they make they should have done the opposite.

Edited October 12, 2015 by Dick Allen

[Bigsoxhurt35]

They are not that far away but I agree they need to make a couple of major successful moves. I say not that far away in that they have 3 very good LH starting pitchers. Few teams have 3 starting pitchers as good as the Sox do. I think they can trade Q or Rodon and get back at least 2 very good players in return. That would weaken the starting pitching but improve the offense and hopefully defense. Then by 2017 they can get or bring up ( Fulmer) a #3 type starter to replace the traded pitcher and Johnson can hopefully replace Shark. Anderson should also be a possibility for 2017 as well.

Q would be moved not Rodon. I fully expect Q to be moved for an impact bat or package for a blockbuster bat.

[Flash Tizzle]

They are not that far away but I agree they need to make a couple of major successful moves. I say not that far away in that they have 3 very good LH starting pitchers. Few teams have 3 starting pitchers as good as the Sox do. I think they can trade Q or Rodon and get back at least 2 very good players in return. That would weaken the starting pitching but improve the offense and hopefully defense. Then by 2017 they can get or bring up ( Fulmer) a #3 type starter to replace the traded pitcher and Johnson can hopefully replace Shark. Anderson should also be a possibility for 2017 as well.

This is exactly the point we're at now. Every move Hahn does has to be successful. Every....f***ing....move. Also, we'd need absolutely no hiccups in the development of Fulmer or Anderson, since we'd need replacements at SS and SP come 2017

Edited October 13, 2015 by Flash Tizzle

[jamesdiego]

I trade Sale way before Q. Sale can bring back so much more and we need it. Just do it!

[Bigsoxhurt35]

I trade Sale way before Q. Sale can bring back so much more and we need it. Just do it!

Lol

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Q would be moved not Rodon. I fully expect Q to be moved for an impact bat or package for a blockbuster bat.

 

Probably neither should be moved at least for another year. If Q continues to be the pitcher he has been ,the Sox hold options on him through 2020.

 

Not sure how long the Sox have Rodon for but you'd have to think if he continues to develop there's only a very slim chance of him signing an extension like Q did. I think that ultimately makes him more tradeable but not until he establishes more value. The Sox also need more time to see how Eric Johnson and Fulmer and Montas progress so a trade of a starter doesn't hurt as much.

[Bigsoxhurt35]

Probably neither should be moved at least for another year. If Q continues to be the pitcher he has been ,the Sox hold options on him through 2020.

 

Not sure how long the Sox have Rodon for but you'd have to think if he continues to develop there's only a very slim chance of him signing an extension like Q did. I think that ultimately makes him more tradeable but not until he establishes more value. The Sox also need more time to see how Eric Johnson and Fulmer and Montas progress so a trade of a starter doesn't hurt as much.

We can develop hitting for s***. So we need to move Q for for a package with an impact bat.

[OmarComing25]

We can develop hitting for s***. So we need to move Q for for a package with an impact bat.

If we're just going to continue assuming we're never going to develop any hitters, might as well trade Anderson before he busts, right?

[Bigsoxhurt35]

If we're just going to continue assuming we're never going to develop any hitters, might as well trade Anderson before he busts, right?

 

That's bulls*** and you know it.

[Flash Tizzle]

Ventura remaining with us atleast through next season upsets me less and less as I watch the playoffs. We're in no position to compete in 2016, unless a major roster overhaul or team wide resurgence occurs. No one could manage this team to contention. I know for many that's not a justifiable excuse to retain him, but for Hahn/company I believe they're yet again indecisive about the path of this ballclub. A new manager suggests a new direction, some sort of new plan is in place to improve the team. They're not ready to change anything, and Ventura IMO is the shoulder shrugging type who would bregrugingly accept any move (or lack thereof) by his bosses. They're not going to bring in a highly sought after manager only to unload a starter, or worse yet, do nothing at all to improve the ballclub. I'm sure they'd pitch some sort of plan for competing.

 

As odd as it may sound, I believe by maintaining Ventura there is a MUCH better chance they make an unpopular (yet potentially rewarding) blockbuster trade involving Q or Sale, which is almost necessary considering our financial restrictions for '16 and lack of positional prospects. When this club is in a position to compete, he'll be shown the door.

Edited October 15, 2015 by Flash Tizzle

[Kyyle23]

Adam LaDouche, I want my money back. thsanks, douglS

 

take me drunk, im home

 

thanks, douglas

[Dick Allen]

That's bulls*** and you know it.

Why is it BS? If you assume he will be a bust, trading him makes a ton of sense.

[MindGame2004]

Why is it BS? If you assume he will be a bust, trading him makes a ton of sense.

 

Tim Anderson's K to BB rate for AA is alarming when you project him to the Majors. I know he's new to baseball, and the Sox like those type of toolsy athlete types, but I have reservations as to Anderson being all he can be in the Majors.

 

114 K to 24 walks. 125 games played. He doesn't have the power to hit like that either.

 

If they trade him, what would they get back is the real question.

[Dick Allen]

Tim Anderson's K to BB rate for AA is alarming when you project him to the Majors. I know he's new to baseball, and the Sox like those type of toolsy athlete types, but I have reservations as to Anderson being all he can be in the Majors.

 

114 K to 24 walks. 125 games played. He doesn't have the power to hit like that either.

 

If they trade him, what would they get back is the real question.

What would it matter if he isn't going to be anything anyway?

[BlackSox13]

Anderson is only 22 and will start the '16 season at AAA, that's quite young for that level. His defense improved alot in '15 despite moving up a level. As for his bat, again he's only 22 so there's nothing to panic about. Let's see what he does in '16 before making any decisions on his future with the Sox.

 

Anderson is still very raw with plenty of untapped potential and imo is well worth waiting for.

[Bigsoxhurt35]

Anderson is the least of our worries right now. He'll be fine.

[Chisoxfn]

Here is what I don't get. They say the clubhouse wasn't good and Parent was the scape goat for the poor clubhouse. To me, the manager's biggest responsibility is managing the clubhouse so if that went wrong, how is anyone other then the manager the scapegoat?

 

PS: So the poor clubhouse is the bench coaches fault? It's probably the players fault but if you had this poor clubhouse that resulted in a bench coach getting fired, well...that just seems odd to me.

[southsider2k5]

Here is what I don't get. They say the clubhouse wasn't good and Parent was the scape goat for the poor clubhouse. To me, the manager's biggest responsibility is managing the clubhouse so if that went wrong, how is anyone other then the manager the scapegoat?

 

PS: So the poor clubhouse is the bench coaches fault? It's probably the players fault but if you had this poor clubhouse that resulted in a bench coach getting fired, well...that just seems odd to me.

 

The rumor is that HE was the reason it was bad. No idea if that is actually true or not.

[LDF]

Here is what I don't get. They say the clubhouse wasn't good and Parent was the scape goat for the poor clubhouse. To me, the manager's biggest responsibility is managing the clubhouse so if that went wrong, how is anyone other then the manager the scapegoat?

 

PS: So the poor clubhouse is the bench coaches fault? It's probably the players fault but if you had this poor clubhouse that resulted in a bench coach getting fired, well...that just seems odd to me.

 

the clubhouse thing is a first that i have heard and i wouldn't put it past it.

 

but can the sox afford to let the clubhouse be without trying to fix it??? who was the cancer ??? and next yr happens the same way, a wasted yr.

[OmarComing25]

Tim Anderson's K to BB rate for AA is alarming when you project him to the Majors. I know he's new to baseball, and the Sox like those type of toolsy athlete types, but I have reservations as to Anderson being all he can be in the Majors.

 

114 K to 24 walks. 125 games played. He doesn't have the power to hit like that either.

 

If they trade him, what would they get back is the real question.

Look at his month by month splits. His K to BB rate after April and May was significantly better. Still has a lot of work to do but he's still pretty young, raw, and has shown improvement.