YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Trayce in CF? Where would Eaton go? RF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Eaton is the CF, Trayce will be in RF or the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesdiego Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 If Garcia is in right field and Thompson is on the bench then we are in trouble, because the Sox would be bigger idiots then we all can imagine. Which is precisely what I predict they do. Yes, they are stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Difficult to say what Trayce's role will be next year on starting day. If the roster were the same as it is today he's at very least platooning with LaRoche and pushing Avi or Melky to DH on those days. More likely it's basically an open competition between he and Avi and whoever plays best plays more. I don't think LaRoche gets traded because they couldn't get 50 cents on the dollar for him and you may as well see if he can still hit righties. He'll fail and be dropped/benched, succeed and be kept if the team's doing well, or succeed and be moved when opportune. As many of the prime FAs are outfielders, there's the chance we sign one which could potentially create a logjam for part of next year. And I have no problem with Avi or Trayce spending some time in AAA while the scenario plays itself out. Maybe it would be a good idea to send Avi there to get rid of his hard-on for batting average and learn how to slug, and oh yeah, play defense. I don't see them trading Avi yet because his value is so low, he's all potential, and he's got options. He's also 24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 QUOTE (ron883 @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 04:49 PM) With Eaton having surgery on his throwing shoulder? Do you see him switching to the corner? I think trayce won the cf job for next year. The sox simply need to improve their defense. I can't see this not happening It cannot happen if we are truly in the midst of a "three year plan" to maximize the existence of Sale and Abreu on this roster together, which Sox management has told us to be the case. In "Year Two" of that plan, I don't see how you can go into it with two unproven question marks in the outfield with Trayce and Avi. You'd have to pull the plug on Avi and replace him with some proven veteran before handing the reins over to Trayce. Again, that's all predicated on this commitment to this "three year plan" they keep telling us about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Yes Trayce has won CF, these 135 PA have shown that he can make good on this tools at the major league level even with sporadic success in the minors like other players before him (Randal Grichuk, Brandon Crawford and Zach Cozart all come to mind). Adam moving to LF is a great thing and a huge net win for the team defensively. Now they need to go and sign or trade for a RFer and 3B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 who is a better CF, Trayce or Eaton? Whatever the answer is, the White Sox will do the opposite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 07:49 PM) not sure why his spring training ABs would be more meaningful than his MLB ABs. Thompson in 100 Sept/Oct PA's .233/.310/.422/.732 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 07:58 PM) well i wasn't going to go there, but i am glad many posters are looking with both eyes open. TT will compete for the 4th OF'er. for those who think i am wrong, how many times does a player / prospects comes up and performed better than their minor league stats. defensively he may be elite but the sox also needs someone to hit. i wish i was wrong. he is a 200 - 230 avg hitter with nice power and great "D" 134 PA is not a lot to go on. Look at Viciedo's at a much younger age. What I don't get is the posts that say, "I don't care if he hits .230, his defense in CF...". Yes, they do care if he hits .230. Brian Anderson was advanced stat-wise one of the greatest CFs defensively who ever lived in 2006, and he hit .225, and he wound up benched, and everyone cared he hit .225 even though the team had an offense that could cover .225 a heck of a lot better than the 2016 White Sox unless Hahn has the greatest winter ever, and everything goes more than right next year with the bats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Avi put up a .759 OPS vs LHP, compared to .661 for Shuck, .648 for Eaton, .600 for Cabrera and .383 for LaRoche. There is definitely a spot for him in the lineup vs LHP, probably starting at DH. I'm not saying you don't trade him if you get a nice offer, but there's no way I DFA him or trade him for nothing more than a lottery ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Part-time DH, sign me up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 05:14 PM) 134 PA is not a lot to go on. Look at Viciedo's at a much younger age. What I don't get is the posts that say, "I don't care if he hits .230, his defense in CF...". Yes, they do care if he hits .230. Brian Anderson was advanced stat-wise one of the greatest CFs defensively who ever lived in 2006, and he hit .225, and he wound up benched, and everyone cared he hit .225 even though the team had an offense that could cover .225 a heck of a lot better than the 2016 White Sox unless Hahn has the greatest winter ever, and everything goes more than right next year with the bats. ahhh you are talking about human nature.... the sox fans have seen yrs and yrs of poor defense in a trade for the FO exchange for hitting... hitting has been the sop for the sox, b/c that is what they thought will bring out the fans. relying on pitching to shut the opponents offense down. now, the fans are tried and want any sembles of good defense and they are willing to embrace and sacrifice offense from that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 11:14 AM) 134 PA is not a lot to go on. Look at Viciedo's at a much younger age. What I don't get is the posts that say, "I don't care if he hits .230, his defense in CF...". Yes, they do care if he hits .230. Brian Anderson was advanced stat-wise one of the greatest CFs defensively who ever lived in 2006, and he hit .225, and he wound up benched, and everyone cared he hit .225 even though the team had an offense that could cover .225 a heck of a lot better than the 2016 White Sox unless Hahn has the greatest winter ever, and everything goes more than right next year with the bats. There's a difference there. 1) Anderson's defense was more valuable than Mackowiak but anyway Anderson did not hit for power that year. I think people are assuming Trayce would be closer to 18-20 HR power, and with more than the 1 triple Anderson accomplished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 11:14 AM) 134 PA is not a lot to go on. Look at Viciedo's at a much younger age. What I don't get is the posts that say, "I don't care if he hits .230, his defense in CF...". Yes, they do care if he hits .230. Brian Anderson was advanced stat-wise one of the greatest CFs defensively who ever lived in 2006, and he hit .225, and he wound up benched, and everyone cared he hit .225 even though the team had an offense that could cover .225 a heck of a lot better than the 2016 White Sox unless Hahn has the greatest winter ever, and everything goes more than right next year with the bats. .225 in 2006 isn't the same as .225 in 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 11:14 AM) 134 PA is not a lot to go on. Look at Viciedo's at a much younger age. What I don't get is the posts that say, "I don't care if he hits .230, his defense in CF...". Yes, they do care if he hits .230. Brian Anderson was advanced stat-wise one of the greatest CFs defensively who ever lived in 2006, and he hit .225, and he wound up benched, and everyone cared he hit .225 even though the team had an offense that could cover .225 a heck of a lot better than the 2016 White Sox unless Hahn has the greatest winter ever, and everything goes more than right next year with the bats. Difference is Anderson put up a .650 OPS and a wRC+ of 62 and OPS+ of 65 when he hit .225, and that was during a year when offense was a lot easier to come by. For comparison's sake, in 2015 Angel Pagan put up a wRC+ of 81 and an OPS+ of 77 despite a .635 OPS. In September/October Trayce hit .233 but put up a wRC+ of 99 and an OPS of .732. I don't think anyone would complain if he put up those numbers with that average (in fact, we'd be ecstatic). Not saying he's likely to put up those numbers, but I'm willing to give him a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 11:27 AM) .225 in 2006 isn't the same as .225 in 2016. When it gets down there, it's not much different. If Trayce is a .230 hitter, those who think the Sox need to build around him now will be calling for his head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 10:34 AM) Thompson in 100 Sept/Oct PA's .233/.310/.422/.732 That would still serve as the 3rd best OPS on our team, right? Garcia in 114 Sept/Oct PA's .208/.281/.307 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 11:26 AM) Anderson did not hit for power that year. I think people are assuming Trayce would be closer to 18-20 HR power, and with more than the 1 triple Anderson accomplished. That's the key point. Obviously not all .230 seasons are created equal. There's Adam Dunn .230 and there's Brian Anderson .230. Trayce's .732 OPS people are citing is basically league average. Most would be just fine with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 11:41 AM) That's the key point. Obviously not all .230 seasons are created equal. There's Adam Dunn .230 and there's Brian Anderson .230. Trayce's .732 OPS people are citing is basically league average. Most would be just fine with that. I think if Trayce hit .230 over the course of a full season, his slugging pct. and OBP would be a little lower than it was in September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 11:34 AM) When it gets down there, it's not much different. If Trayce is a .230 hitter, those who think the Sox need to build around him now will be calling for his head. Well, sorry Trayce. You aren't going to start next year because if you fail I may to say that you shouldn't be starting, which is very bad because the worst thing in the world is to re-align your views based off more information! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 11:43 AM) I think if Trayce hit .230 over the course of a full season, his slugging pct. and OBP would be a little lower than it was in September. Probably, because in theory he'd be struggling. But his 2014 Birmingham season looks a lot like this hypothetical 2016 MLB season. Another thing you mentioned that I'd dispute is that once you get down in the .230 range, there's not much difference between today's offensive game and 2006's, but that's really not the case. In 2006 there was one qualifying hitter in MLB who hit less than .230 and four under .240. In 2015 there were nine and fourteen. That's what you get when the league OPS has dropped almost 50 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 11:51 AM) Well, sorry Trayce. You aren't going to start next year because if you fail I may to say that you shouldn't be starting, which is very bad because the worst thing in the world is to re-align your views based off more information! Yeah, that is exactly what I wrote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Do they have the option of Avi in AAA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 11:36 AM) That would still serve as the 3rd best OPS on our team, right? Garcia in 114 Sept/Oct PA's .208/.281/.307 It serves more as a reminder that after a really hot start, he hit about like he hit in his time in the minors. He hasn't "won" anything yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 05:54 PM) Probably, because in theory he'd be struggling. But his 2014 Birmingham season looks a lot like this hypothetical 2016 MLB season. Another thing you mentioned that I'd dispute is that once you get down in the .230 range, there's not much difference between today's offensive game and 2006's, but that's really not the case. In 2006 there was one qualifying hitter in MLB who hit less than .230 and four under .240. In 2015 there were nine and fourteen. That's what you get when the league OPS has dropped almost 50 points. i really don't know how to put this, so here is my attempt to being nice.... you would rather deal in mediocre instead of striving to becoming better. i can't see why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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