Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Lol no thanks. Let some other team deal with this headache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 30, 2015 -> 02:57 PM) Would Hanley be the primary DH in this situation? I could live with that as long as we don't have to see him play the outfield. He certainly wouldn't play the outfield. Play him at third. If and when that doesn't work, move to DH. The guy played shortstop through all of 2014. 3rd base is shortstop for guys who shouldn't play shortstop anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Nov 30, 2015 -> 07:13 PM) He certainly wouldn't play the outfield. Play him at third. If and when that doesn't work, move to DH. The guy played shortstop through all of 2014. 3rd base is shortstop for guys who shouldn't play shortstop anymore. Yeah...I'll take it a step further and say he was the starting shortstop for a team that won the division so he didn't hurt them too much. Play him at third until that fails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 30, 2015 -> 05:03 PM) FWIW, I don't think Boston would actually do that deal. Then again, they have made trades in the past where they dumped high salary players through trades. The Dodgers know all about that. Well they'll have to do something like it if they want to get rid of him. Nobody is going to give value or take anywhere near all of that salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 30, 2015 -> 07:57 PM) Well they'll have to do something like it if they want to get rid of him. Nobody is going to give value or take anywhere near all of that salary. You aren't kidding. No team is that crazy or stupid. Maybe Boston would be enticed by the idea of one year of LaRoche -45M when compared to being stuck with Ramirez for potentially four more years and 90M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 30, 2015 -> 06:21 PM) You aren't kidding. No team is that crazy or stupid. Maybe Boston would be enticed by the idea of one year of LaRoche -45M when compared to being stuck with Ramirez for potentially four more years and 90M. I wouldn't worry about the vesting option. it's not tough to avoid him getting 1,100 plate appearances over his last 2 seasons if he's not producing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Vance Law @ Nov 30, 2015 -> 10:33 PM) I wouldn't worry about the vesting option. it's not tough to avoid him getting 1,100 plate appearances over his last 2 seasons if he's not producing. Good point, I didn't know the deal behind his vesting option. I'll take a chance on Hanley at three guaranteed years worth roughly 34M. Kinda funny how this thread has turned out considering how it started, eh Vance. Edited December 1, 2015 by BlackSox13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) Adam LaRoche had a better OBP than Hanley Ramirez last season. Hanley Ramirez is a terrible idea. Edited December 1, 2015 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 He'd have to be practically free, and we'd have to be confident he could play third base for us. I'm not sure either of those conditions can be met. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 09:14 AM) Adam LaRoche had a better OBP than Hanley Ramirez last season. Hanley Ramirez is a terrible idea. Ramirez has an OPS of almost 75 points higher, hit 7 more home runs (in playing in 30 less games), drove in more runs, and had a slugging % of almost 100 points higher. He had a much better season offensively than LaRoche last year, in what was a clearly a down year for Ramirez. He also potentially fills a void at 3b. If Boston is willing to pay the bulk of Ramirez's salary, he is the way to go. I understand you probably don't like Ramirez because of his attitude, but, I think we need to worry less about "team players" and focus more on people who can actually play the game. And let's not forget AJ was supposed to be a bad clubhouse guy, but, it didn't matter because he was good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 07:14 AM) Adam LaRoche had a better OBP than Hanley Ramirez last season. Hanley Ramirez is a terrible idea. Ramirez was injured the whole second half with 2 or 3 different things and played in 28 games. He was hitting .283/.330/.482/.812 on June 24 when he took a line drive off his wrist for the first of those. The idea that he is washed up is nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 04:04 PM) Ramirez was injured the whole second half with 2 or 3 different things and played in 28 games. He was hitting .283/.330/.482/.812 on June 24 when he took a line drive off his wrist for the first of those. The idea that he is washed up is nonsense. The Red Sox were experimenting w him playing 1st base late last season. http://nesn.com/2015/10/red-sox-first-base...handle-new-job/ Dombrowski basically confirmed such earlier this week. “We need to do everything we can to make that work,” Dombrowski said of Ramirez at first base. “We’re committed to it, I believe he’s committed to it, his representatives are committed to making it work.” There is no other place on the diamond for Ramirez, whose transition to left field this season was a total failure. The Red Sox are set on the left side of their infield and David Ortiz is Boston’s designated hitter until further notice. So, unless the Red Sox trade Ramirez this offseason, in which case either Shaw or an external option will become Boston’s starting first baseman, the job is his to lose, for better or worse. Read more at: http://nesn.com/2015/10/red-sox-first-base...handle-new-job/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 If the Red Sox eat at least half of his contract AND take LaRoche, I'd take him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 03:43 PM) I'd rather they take Melky and give us money. Hanley is basically Melky with a way better bat and a bad attitude. Who would replace Melky in the outfield? I'm not opposed to your idea, I'm just not sure who would replace him unless the Sox signed a big name guy like Upton, Cespedes, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 03:51 PM) Who would replace Melky in the outfield? I'm not opposed to your idea, I'm just not sure who would replace him unless the Sox signed a big name guy like Upton, Cespedes, etc. Eaton, with Thompson in CF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 01:43 PM) I'd rather they take Melky and give us money. Hanley is basically Melky with a way better bat and a bad attitude. Thing is Red Sox have more than enough outfielders and a potential opening at 1st base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he gone. Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 The more I think about it, the more I believe it would be a nice swap for both teams. It gives salary relief to BoSox. We get rid of LaRoche (plus doesn't he just have a Boston feel to him -- the good teammate, beard, Johnny Gomes type of guy, ha), I'd maybe stick him at 3B for 60-75 games, DH the rest. You can platoon someone else at 3rd. Slide Garcia into a 4th OF/DH role as well for a bit of the year which improves our OF defense. I think it makes sense. Look at his stats, I was surprised, or somewhat. I've owned him in fantasy before. But other than being fragile ... 92, 157, 93, 64, 86, 128, 105 games played over the past few years... His home runs are through the roof. I mean.. 20 homers in 86 games? 19 in 105 last year. I think healthy (and that never happens) he is a 30 HR guy at the Cell. He can play an adequate 3B. And be a good DH at that. He's a career .296 hitter.. .367OBP ... and had 35 doubles just a year ago. I don't know, I just think if we were able to get rid of LaRoche, BoSox take half of his salary and all we have to throw in there is some mid level pitching prospect? You do it. He is only 31 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 03:53 PM) Thing is Red Sox have more than enough outfielders and a potential opening at 1st base. Yes, believe LaRoche makes more sense. Both players due for bounce back, so maybe Boston would consider it. Isn't LaRoche a much better glove option at first base also for the BoSox (as opposed to Hanley who's never really played there). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Pass. Hanley and Panda are just the latest examples of career NL guys coming over to the AL and getting overwhelmed. At their ages the likelihood of a bounce back to their previous career numbers is pretty low. Those prospects and that money can be better allocated. I would much rather take a flyer on the Korean guy and about a third of the cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 04:25 PM) Pass. Hanley and Panda are just the latest examples of career NL guys coming over to the AL and getting overwhelmed. At their ages the likelihood of a bounce back to their previous career numbers is pretty low. Those prospects and that money can be better allocated. I would much rather take a flyer on the Korean guy and about a third of the cost. The point being discussed is that the cost and prospects would not be that much. We would be swapping LaRoche for Hanley, and Boston would be eating a portion of his remaining salary. Under those terms, it is worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 02:25 PM) Hanley and Panda are just the latest examples of career NL guys coming over to the AL and getting overwhelmed. Adrian Gonzalez, Prince Fielder , Jose Bautista, Miguel Cabrera, JD Martinez, Shane Victorino, Edwin Encarnación, Shin Soo Choo Look at Carlos Beltran at age 38. This "theory" is simply ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 10:33 PM) Adrian Gonzalez, Prince Fielder , Jose Bautista, Miguel Cabrera, JD Martinez, Shane Victorino, Edwin Encarnación, Shin Soo Choo Look at Carlos Beltran at age 38. This "theory" is simply ridiculous. Beltran had been in the AL before, Victornio had one good AL season and now he's not what he used to be, Houston was in the AL when Martinez left, Bautista had started in the AL... there are many names of NL players who came to the AL and played worse than they used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 10:17 AM) Beltran had been in the AL before, Victornio had one good AL season and now he's not what he used to be, Houston was in the AL when Martinez left, Bautista had started in the AL... there are many names of NL players who came to the AL and played worse than they used to. And for almost every single one of those players, there is an alternate explanation for the decline. It's not like these guys come to the other league and suddenly it's "Oh s***, I can't handle this!" They're the best in the world and the undeniable marginal advantage in the AL's talent level does not account for most of the falloff. Vance is right. This is a narrative that has gotten completely out of control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 02:31 PM) I think on the hitting side of things you and Vance are correct. As far as pitching, it's almost uniform. I agree. There's an obvious reason for that, I wouldn't even try to argue otherwise for pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 02:31 PM) I think on the hitting side of things you and Vance are correct. As far as pitching, it's almost uniform. The difference is the existence of the DH in the AL means it makes sense why NL pitchers would struggle more in the AL. There's no similar barrier for hitters. If it was a case of being unfamiliar with the pitchers then we should be seeing a lot of AL hitters struggle when going to the NL too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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