Sox have asked Indians about Sandy Alomar Jr

[Chisoxfn]

I bet that Alomar asked for a promise that he was next in line for the job, and the Sox didn't give it, which is why he is back in Cleveland.

Rightfully so, I wouldn't make that guarantee to anyone. It isn't right to do...not for Ventura or the organization. When that time comes, you should evaluate whose right for your job then and you never want someone who is working for someone else with the express remind of replacing that person (because they were fired). It creates enhanced incentive to undermind said individual and create a negative / improper work environment.

 

I would think pretty poorly of Alomar if he even asked for such a guarantee. That said, everyone here is speculating so none of us know.

[southsider2k5]

Rightfully so, I wouldn't make that guarantee to anyone. It isn't right to do...not for Ventura or the organization. When that time comes, you should evaluate whose right for your job then and you never want someone who is working for someone else with the express remind of replacing that person (because they were fired). It creates enhanced incentive to undermind said individual and create a negative / improper work environment.

 

I would think pretty poorly of Alomar if he even asked for such a guarantee. That said, everyone here is speculating so none of us know.

 

It is total speculation, but Alomar would be a fool if he didn't ask. If he is leaving for a side ways move, at the very least he should be looking at his career past that for the opportunity for the top Sox job. I'd also expect him to take the interest from the White Sox back to the Indians and look for the same promise for the job if the current manager leaves.

[Chisoxfn]

It is total speculation, but Alomar would be a fool if he didn't ask. If he is leaving for a side ways move, at the very least he should be looking at his career past that for the opportunity for the top Sox job. I'd also expect him to take the interest from the White Sox back to the Indians and look for the same promise for the job if the current manager leaves.

I think he'd be the opposite, I think he'd be a fool to ask. I could see if you were going somewhere where you had a proven manager getting close to retirement but asking to be the replacement and get a guarantee at it would be awful. Now he absolutely should ask management where they stand with Robin (because that is a relevant question) and he could even answer a question and state his future goals are to become a major league manager, but if Kenny were to hire someone because the intention is to replace Robin with that guy...well then Robin should already be gone and who you are bringing in has a ton of incentives not to help Robin (since he has more upside in Robin failing then helping).

 

It would be a catastrophic failure in my mind. And I think it would be a loser move by the organization anyway. I don't want to tie my word into a promise for someone else a few years from now when I have no idea what managers would be out their (and whether I'd even want someone like Alomar at that point). Please note that my opinion would differ if this weren't the CEO job. And what does that say for your support of Robin if you did do this (and I'm not getting into a debate of whether you should or shouldn't)..but if you already think that low of Robin then he shouldn't be the manager to begin with.

[Baron]

I'm intrigued by Ibanez. I think it's him. Seems like we're waiting on him. Or at the very least talk to him.

 

Bob DuttonVerified account ‏@TNT_Mariners 7h7 hours ago

Hearing #Mariners have also talked to Raul Ibanez about a coaching position or possibly filling a role in the front office.

https://twitter.com/TNT_Mariners

[Hatchetman]

These guys probably want 3 or 4 year deals to move their families, etc. Sox will get whoever's left when the music stops playing.

[nitetrain8601]

These guys probably want 3 or 4 year deals to move their families, etc. Sox will get whoever's left when the music stops playing.

Sounds about right.

[Bigsoxhurt35]

These guys probably want 3 or 4 year deals to move their families, etc. Sox will get whoever's left when the music stops playing.

That could be true.

[southsider2k5]

I think he'd be the opposite, I think he'd be a fool to ask. I could see if you were going somewhere where you had a proven manager getting close to retirement but asking to be the replacement and get a guarantee at it would be awful. Now he absolutely should ask management where they stand with Robin (because that is a relevant question) and he could even answer a question and state his future goals are to become a major league manager, but if Kenny were to hire someone because the intention is to replace Robin with that guy...well then Robin should already be gone and who you are bringing in has a ton of incentives not to help Robin (since he has more upside in Robin failing then helping).

 

It would be a catastrophic failure in my mind. And I think it would be a loser move by the organization anyway. I don't want to tie my word into a promise for someone else a few years from now when I have no idea what managers would be out their (and whether I'd even want someone like Alomar at that point). Please note that my opinion would differ if this weren't the CEO job. And what does that say for your support of Robin if you did do this (and I'm not getting into a debate of whether you should or shouldn't)..but if you already think that low of Robin then he shouldn't be the manager to begin with.

 

It tells me that managers are made to be fired, and the team and Alomar should be planning accordingly. After all he is getting this job because the guy before him... was fired.

[Baron]

Robert Murray ‏@RobertMurrayBBE 26s27 seconds ago

Former #Cubs manager Rick Renteria is "an early favorite" to serve as Bud Black's bench coach with the #Nationals, per @JamesWagnerWP.

https://twitter.com/RobertMurrayBBE

 

Not surprising but not alot of coaches want to hitch their wagon to the lame duck manager here.

Edited October 29, 2015 by Baron

[Bigsoxhurt35]

Robert Murray ‏@RobertMurrayBBE 26s27 seconds ago

Former #Cubs manager Rick Renteria is "an early favorite" to serve as Bud Black's bench coach with the #Nationals, per @JamesWagnerWP.

https://twitter.com/RobertMurrayBBE

 

Not surprising but not alot of coaches want to hitch their wagon to the lame duck manager here.

Yup. It's a terrible strategy for this team. Just get rid of the f***ing guy.

[Baron]

Yup. It's a terrible strategy for this team. Just get rid of the f***ing guy.

 

That or sign him to an extension. This is like Lovie I believe it was in 2009. Sitting on a 1 year deal and really Mike Martz was the only one who wanted the job as OC. Lovie if he didnt make the NFC Championship game was probably going to get fired.

Edited October 29, 2015 by Baron

[Dick Allen]

That or sign him to an extension. This is like Lovie I believe it was in 2009. Sitting on a 1 year deal and really Mike Martz was the only one who wanted the job as OC. Lovie if he didnt make the NFC Championship game was probably going to get fired.

An OC has more of an effect on a team than a bench coach, but I do agree it does make the job less attractive.

[Baron]

An OC has more of an effect on a team than a bench coach, but I do agree it does make the job less attractive.

 

 

I was just using it as an example about the attractiveness of a job. Right now it probably doesnt look too great(like that job that I was referring to. Many people declined the job interview). I mean sure there's a pretty good chance that the bench coach is managing by May(if it doesnt go right). But he might not last after this year if the manager does get fired.

Edited October 29, 2015 by Baron

[caulfield12]

Mattingly, 54, was one of at least seven candidates for the job. The Miami Herald reported Larry Bowa, Manny Acta, Bo Porter, Alex Cora, Phil Nevin and Rick Renteria also interviewed. It's almost a surprising number considering how difficult it has been for anyone to keep the job for long.

 

yahoosports.com

 

 

Acta, Renteria and Cora all speak Spanish as far as I'm aware. Cora has the connection (somewhat) because of Joey Cora, but that might not be altogether positive because Joey and Ozzie were tied at the hip together and didn't part on the greatest of terms.

 

Bowa's too old and will automatically be considered a threat to manage out a "lost" season if things go south.

 

Porter and Nevin are interesting names. Nevin hasn't ever managed a big league team, and obviously Porter's itching to get back in the manager's seat. My University of Iowa loyalty would typically favor him, but Nevin might be the better choice.

 

Of course, playing Devil's Advocate, not sure the White Sox can afford to hire someone lacking in (big league) experience if the whole Ventura situation goes completely sideways. At least Nevin has been managing since 2009.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Nevin

 

Nevin managed the SeaWolves for one season. On November 11, 2010, Nevin was named manager of the Toledo Mud Hens, the Tigers' Class AAA minor league affiliate. He is considered a potential future MLB manager.[23] Catcher Omir Santos described his managing the Mud Hens as "like having a big league manager in [Class AAA]."[23] On August 31, 2013, Nevin was fired after the team's final home game of the season. Nevin's record as manager was 192–238; the team never finished higher than third in the International League's West division.[43]

 

The Arizona Diamondbacks named Nevin as manager of the Reno Aces, their Class AAA affiliate, for the 2014 season.[44] After the season, the Astros interviewed Nevin for their open managerial position.[45]

[caulfield12]

Dan Jennings from the Marlins is also available now...less experienced than Robin and can serve as part of three headed GM monster.

[Leonard Zelig]

Dan Jennings from the Marlins is also available now...less experienced than Robin and can serve as part of three headed GM monster.

 

Your numbers in your rah rah Royals sig are not accurate.

[Balta1701]

That or sign him to an extension. This is like Lovie I believe it was in 2009. Sitting on a 1 year deal and really Mike Martz was the only one who wanted the job as OC. Lovie if he didnt make the NFC Championship game was probably going to get fired.

In 2014 RV didn't get his extension until January.

[Baron]

In 2014 RV didn't get his extension until January.

 

Yes yes we've gone over this.

 

The point is he doesnt deserve one. But right now him sitting on a 1 year deal is probably leading good candidates away.

[caulfield12]

Your numbers in your rah rah Royals sig are not accurate.

 

How so? 11-4 last year, then 3-2, 4-2, 2-0

[shysocks]

How so? 11-4 last year, then 3-2, 4-2, 2-0

Your Sox number is wrong, they're 15-14. I'm sure the Royals part is right because a fan like you wouldn't forget their history.

[Baron]

http://espn.go.com/blog/mlb/post/_/id/9990...r-venturas-sake

 

 

 

So many issues with having Robin still present as manager and here's one of them.

 

[BigHurt3515]

http://espn.go.com/blog/mlb/post/_/id/9990...r-venturas-sake

 

 

 

So many issues with having Robin still present as manager and here's one of them.

 

Should have just fired Robin and hired Sandy.

[Bigsoxhurt35]

FFS

[Baron]

I always find notion silly of being respectful to the guy that holds the position. Say he gets fired in May. You not going to consider the job a few months down the line after the season is over? Robin's going to be on the hot seat no matter what.

[Dick Allen]

I always find notion silly of being respectful to the guy that holds the position. Say he gets fired in May. You not going to consider the job a few months down the line after the season is over? Robin's going to be on the hot seat no matter what.

What it appears is Sandy was the choice to become the bench coach and probably the possible replacement. If Robin does get the axe, this decision doesn't preclude Sandy from being named the manager. If it is perceived that the new hire is Robin's potential or automatic replacement, there will be a million stories on it from the time he is hired, through spring training. It probably isn't good for Robin, the coaches, or the players.