Dunt Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Did anybody see this one today: "Playoffs are not a representation of how good teams are, Cubs still best team in playoffs" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxjr27 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Thanks Littlehurt and Dick Allen for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 03:01 PM) Did anybody see this one today: "Playoffs are not a representation of how good teams are, Cubs still best team in playoffs" That title is about as valuable as Prior and Wood being the career leaders in simulated innings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 03:13 PM) That title is about as valuable as Prior and Wood being the career leaders in simulated innings. They are towel drill first ballot HOFers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 03:01 PM) Did anybody see this one today: "Playoffs are not a representation of how good teams are, Cubs still best team in playoffs" Well, they can hang their hat on finishing 3rd, being the second WC, losing the NLCS decidingly but still remain the best team in the playoffs. Rahm should throw them a parade anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 It's been said before, but better regular season record does not equal better team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 The Mets are just a completely different team than they were for the first half of the season, so many additions and players coming back from injury. That said, so are the Cubs but the Mets are just better at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 03:01 PM) Did anybody see this one today: "Playoffs are not a representation of how good teams are, Cubs still best team in playoffs" I'm surprised they didn't add something along the lines of "2015 Cubs most likely better than 2005 White Sox" after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxjr27 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I like how Collins was aggressive on the bases last night. He should do it again today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 03:01 PM) Did anybody see this one today: "Playoffs are not a representation of how good teams are, Cubs still best team in playoffs" Maybe, but if you want a trophy for that go join a European soccer league. This is America, no one cares who the best team is, all that matters is who wins the tourney at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Did anybody see this one today: "Playoffs are not a representation of how good teams are, Cubs still best team in playoffs" So only after the playoffs eliminated the teams better than the Cubs do the playoffs become a poor way to evaluate teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Let's keep arguing against this unsourced fake quote! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 No joke, on 670 just now, Bruce Levine said Jorge Soler has 40 HR potential if he can stay healthy. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Is Wright still a power hitter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 05:21 PM) No joke, on 670 just now, Bruce Levine said Jorge Soler has 40 HR potential if he can stay healthy. Wow. I don't think that is as far fetched as you think. The guy has some serious power, his problem is he can't stay healthy and doesn't like playing in cold weather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 04:51 PM) Let's keep arguing against this unsourced fake quote! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxjr27 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) Cubs fans at work are all excited about this guy from the movies throwing out the first pitch. He will rally us! Get your rally caps on! Enough of this silly crap. Just play the dang game. And there is this again. Hey, Cubs fans: Last 0-3 comeback in LCS also had fake curse, Theo Epstein CBSSports.com Edited October 21, 2015 by whitesoxjr27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 05:26 PM) I don't think that is as far fetched as you think. The guy has some serious power, his problem is he can't stay healthy and doesn't like playing in cold weather Yeah I agree, kid definitely has at least 30 HR potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Oct 20, 2015 -> 10:51 PM) What an embarrassment to Chicagoans and Chicago natives in general. An embarrassment to Cubs fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) The problem is Chris Sale is still an assumed health risk to many. Expecting Bryant and Russell back in a trade is completely unrealistic. You will get Baez and/or Castro. Other than Baez, Schwarber and Soler, there's just no way you get three guys who can hit 30-40 homers at the mlb level back for Sale. The White Sox can't wait forever on prospects...they need players one year or less away from the majors, or younger players who have begun to establish themselves a bit. It won't happen simply because the Cubs can buy whatever pitching they want and trade some of those players at peak value. Fwiw, Schwarber would seem perfect for the AL and Sox specifically. Which of course means he would end up a total bust. Edited October 21, 2015 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 05:44 PM) The problem is Chris Sale is still an assumed health risk to many. Expecting Bryant and Russell back in a trade is completely unrealistic. You will get Baez and/or Castro. Other than Baez, Schwarber and Soler, there's just no way you get three guys who can hit 30-40 homers at the mlb level back for Sale. The White Sox can't wait forever on prospects...they need players one year or less away from the majors, or younger players who have begun to establish themselves a bit. It won't happen simply because the Cubs can buy whatever pitching they want and trade some of those players at peak value. Fwiw, Schwarber would seem perfect for the AL and Sox specifically. Which of course means he would end up a total bust. Then you don't trade Chris Sale. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 04:48 PM) Then you don't trade Chris Sale. Simple as that. Which is getting riskier and riskier every wasted season. If they're below .500 in 2017 still, you almost have no choice but to trade him because franchise revenues will be so down they won't be able to afford the free agent market. With Danks, LaRoche and Ramirez all gone, NEXT offseason has to be perfect. Tim Anderson has to give you at least an average major leaguer, and 2/4 from Johnson, Montas, Fulmer and Danish have to hit. This is also based on the assumption Courtney Hawkins won't make much of an impact. The best of the other options is Puig/Quintana...and that's also risky. That's the nature of talent evaluation. Edited October 21, 2015 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 05:44 PM) The problem is Chris Sale is still an assumed health risk to many. Expecting Bryant and Russell back in a trade is completely unrealistic. You will get Baez and/or Castro. Other than Baez, Schwarber and Soler, there's just no way you get three guys who can hit 30-40 homers at the mlb level back for Sale. The White Sox can't wait forever on prospects...they need players one year or less away from the majors, or younger players who have begun to establish themselves a bit. It won't happen simply because the Cubs can buy whatever pitching they want and trade some of those players at peak value. Fwiw, Schwarber would seem perfect for the AL and Sox specifically. Which of course means he would end up a total bust. Expecting top prospects for Sale is not unrealistic, you have to pay to play and if the sox should (God forbid) decide to trade sale, they better get top prospects and not second tier prospects like you are saying. This is all conjecture garbage that favors the Cubs in the deal, not equal and and certainly not the sox. If the Cubs don't want to part with top talent for top talent, you move on, you don't give them a top three pitcher for players they don't need. And the other point about being afraid of injury and of the 2017 market is just as much crap. pitchers get injured, it's the way the game goes. You don't trade a player for fear of injury or because the market might be bad. Chris sale is a diamond chip and you act like the sox are ready to throw him on the table because they don't like the color of the chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) If we're still below .500 in 2017 then there will be a new front office. They can trade whoever at that point. Just if were that far below .500 in 2 years then there's going to be alot of damage to undo. Edited October 21, 2015 by Baron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 05:01 PM) Expecting top prospects for Sale is not unrealistic, you have to pay to play and if the sox should (God forbid) decide to trade sale, they better get top prospects and not second tier prospects like you are saying. This is all conjecture garbage that favors the Cubs in the deal, not equal and and certainly not the sox. If the Cubs don't want to part with top talent for top talent, you move on, you don't give them a top three pitcher for players they don't need. And the other point about being afraid of injury and of the 2017 market is just as much crap. pitchers get injured, it's the way the game goes. You don't trade a player for fear of injury or because the market might be bad. Chris sale is a diamond chip and you act like the sox are ready to throw him on the table because they don't like the color of the chip Making the assumption they don't want Schwarber is equally flawed. It would be great if they would just trade us Bryant, Russell and Schwarber. That's exactly what most rational and clear-thinking Sox fans would suggest...so if we're negotiating in the middle, logically they have to give up Schwarber, Russell and one or two more pieces (whether that's Baez, Soler, Torres, Contreras, Edwards, McKinney, etc.). We'd probably trade them Garcia if Soler came back, and offer Sanchez/Micah to help supplement their infield depth if we took two infielders. And Schwarber would be more valuable to the Sox than the Cubs with our likely unwillingness to throw millions at yet another LH DH type in 2017 when LaRoche departs. Edited October 21, 2015 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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