Sox and the Media

[Lip Man 1]

lol, that is the most idealistic, unrealistic thing I have ever read. Even in one of my all time favorite books on historical editorials, there is no hint of that, and we are talking about editorials all of the way back to the Civil War.

 

Sorry my beliefs offend you. I was brought up when journalism actually mattered and people at least had some ethics. Guess I'm simply out of place in today's s***ty world then.

 

And as someone in the business editorials are a far different avenue than reporting.

 

Mark

Edited October 16, 2015 by Lip Man 1

[Hatchetman]

what's done is done. nobody reads the damn newspaper anymore anyway. just win some games.

[southsider2k5]

Sorry my beliefs offend you. I was brought up when journalism actually mattered and people at least had some ethics. Guess I'm simply out of place in today's s***ty world then.

 

And as someone in the business editorials are a far different avenue than reporting.

 

Mark

 

Offend? God no. They don't matter nearly that much.

[ewokpelts]

ethically the news, which the sports is, should be without favoritism and preferences.

 

however at this time, when only one club is making news, esp news for the fans in competition, such as baseball, the sox will not see any mention what so every.

 

outside that, both should be fairly equal. now is it???

 

it doesn't matter, the sox had their chance and oh well.

what so EVERY are you babbling about?

[Dick Allen]

I wonder if Lip even realizes in the same thread he says ethical journalism would mean each team is covered equally despite whether there is any interest or not, (seems laughable to me)he posted in the "Golden Age"which I am guessing was the time he considered journalists had ethics, the White Sox received "the lion's share of the coverage,".

 

 

Seems under his definition that wasn't very ethical. I guess, as Geddy Lee has belted out many times, the more things change, the more they stay they same.

Edited October 17, 2015 by Dick Allen

[ewokpelts]

I wonder if Lip even realizes in the same thread he says ethical journalism would mean each team is covered equally despite whether there is any interest or not, (seems laughable to me)he posted in the "Golden Age"which I am guessing was the time he considered journalists had ethics, the White Sox received "the lion's share of the coverage,".

 

 

Seems under his definition that wasn't very ethical. I guess, as Geddy Lee has belted out many times, the more things change, the more they stay they same.

The bard's room at the old park was Comiskey's, and later Veeck's, personal clubhouse where the media were treated like kings.

[Jerksticks]

Journalistic integrity? LOL we are talking about sports here. Sports. I'd say we're still in a golden age since grown men can still actually make a good living from writing about sports. Sports. Sports are a bs sideshow in the overall scheme of the world. Goes with FUN...and GAMES. No journalistic integrity required or even desired by the people- "just write about the team i like please...or don't...i'll get back to the real world either way".

 

Like others have said, if nobody reads about the Sox, why waste resources writing about them? Afterall, most newspapers are already thankful people care to read about sports at all.

[Lip Man 1]

Journalistic integrity? LOL we are talking about sports here. Sports. I'd say we're still in a golden age since grown men can still actually make a good living from writing about sports. Sports. Sports are a bs sideshow in the overall scheme of the world. Goes with FUN...and GAMES. No journalistic integrity required or even desired by the people- "just write about the team i like please...or don't...i'll get back to the real world either way".

 

Like others have said, if nobody reads about the Sox, why waste resources writing about them? Afterall, most newspapers are already thankful people care to read about sports at all.

 

Sports, news all comes under the same umbrella. There are certain things that you do and not do. Newspaper / TV stations and their like were not set up to make money. Go back and take a course on the FCC and their history. They were set up to serve the public (not in the way the public WANTS to hear or read but what they need to know). The thinking of course as I was taught was that if you do it correctly, you'll basically have a license to print money.)

 

I shouldn't be surprised today that ethics, conflicting interests from a business perspective and things along that nature are swept under the rug or dismissed.

 

It explains a lot to me about the world, common courtesy, dumbing down things to the lowest common denominator, the way people treat each other (including at various web sites...)

 

Explains a lot.

 

I understand I'm out of touch but I'll be damned going along with what I know and was taught is flat out wrong about what I consider a noble profession, one that I've worked at for 40 years.

 

Just my opinion.

 

Mark

Edited October 17, 2015 by Lip Man 1

[TaylorStSox]

Sorry my beliefs offend you. I was brought up when journalism actually mattered and people at least had some ethics. Guess I'm simply out of place in today's s***ty world then.

 

And as someone in the business editorials are a far different avenue than reporting.

 

Mark

 

Sports. Entertainment. Journalistic integrity.

 

[captain54]

Sports. Entertainment. Journalistic integrity.

 

I think Reinsdorf should count his blessings that the media coverage is sparse… it could be a real eye opener for the fans, and for citizens of Illinois

 

I don't remember much of this mentioned in the media… Reinsdorf being sued by an ISFA official for pulling strings to have her removed, for trying to re-negotiate the deal not only with the stadium but with the then to be build Bacardi in the Park

 

On April 25, 2011, Irmer arrived to work and "discovered that she had been locked out of her office and denied access to her computer and personal property," her suit alleges. "She saw that [Thompson and an aide] were waiting for her and the former governor summoned her into a conference room."

 

Thompson gave her "the choice of resigning or waiting to be fired, and he added that if she refused to resign and they 'had to' fire her, that her reputation would be ruined," according to the suit.

 

She was fired two days later, the suit says.

 

"In no uncertain terms, Perri Irmer was terminated as the direct and proximate result of Jerry Reinsdorf's exercise of undue influence over former Governor Thompson," says the suit.

 

too bad Reinsdorf's legendary loyalty doesn't extend to the taxpayers of the state of Illinois, for footing the bill in order for he and the legion of very wealthy investors and their families to become even wealthier

[ewokpelts]

Journalistic integrity and sports go great together. Like how no one knew Mickey mantle was a raging drunk because he was drinking with the press. or joe cowley's second job as The guillen family spokesman.

 

And let's not forget mariotti

[southsider2k5]

Journalistic integrity and sports go great together. Like how no one knew Mickey mantle was a raging drunk because he was drinking with the press. or joe cowley's second job as The guillen family spokesman.

 

And let's not forget mariotti

 

Or that Roosevelt was a handicapped man in a wheelchair...

[Thad Bosley]

I think Reinsdorf should count his blessings that the media coverage is sparse… it could be a real eye opener for the fans, and for citizens of Illinois

 

I don't remember much of this mentioned in the media… Reinsdorf being sued by an ISFA official for pulling strings to have her removed, for trying to re-negotiate the deal not only with the stadium but with the then to be build Bacardi in the Park

 

On April 25, 2011, Irmer arrived to work and "discovered that she had been locked out of her office and denied access to her computer and personal property," her suit alleges. "She saw that [Thompson and an aide] were waiting for her and the former governor summoned her into a conference room."

 

Thompson gave her "the choice of resigning or waiting to be fired, and he added that if she refused to resign and they 'had to' fire her, that her reputation would be ruined," according to the suit.

 

She was fired two days later, the suit says.

 

"In no uncertain terms, Perri Irmer was terminated as the direct and proximate result of Jerry Reinsdorf's exercise of undue influence over former Governor Thompson," says the suit.

 

too bad Reinsdorf's legendary loyalty doesn't extend to the taxpayers of the state of Illinois, for footing the bill in order for he and the legion of very wealthy investors and their families to become even wealthier

Never heard the outcome of that suit, but at the time it was reported by the Tribune, the article mentioned that once Ms. Irmer successfully got the Sox to actually start paying rent in 2008 for a stadium that they were simply reaping all of the rewards from at no cost to them, it was all over but the shouting for her. According to the Trib, Reinsdorf immediately began lobbying the Blago to get her fired, which eventually culminated in the actions taken by Thompson as noted above.

 

Let that be a lesson for anyone thinking they can tinker with Jerry Reinsdorf's sweet heart lease deal with the state of Illinois that he received by threatening to move the team to Florida if his demands weren't met. That's the esteemed leader of our White Sox right there, in all of his glory. If only Reinsdorf were as good at producing sustainable, winning ball clubs as he is at blackmail, maybe we all would have prospered somewhat as a result of the sweet heart deal instead of only Reinsdorf and the investors. They've become immensely wealthy; meanwhile, we've only seen postseason play come to U.S. Cellular Field just four times in the ballpark's 25 year existence.

[caulfield12]

After becoming Executive Director, Irmer recognized that the ISFA was in a difficult financial condition, due in substantial part because it was putting the interests of the White Sox ahead of the interests of Illinois taxpayers. (Id. ¶ 21.) As a result, Irmer sought to reform the relationship between the White Sox and the ISFA established in the Management Agreement, which she viewed as abusive to taxpayers. (Id. ¶ 24.) To that end, Irmer developed and implemented a facilities management plan, resulting in millions of dollars of savings for ISFA. (Id. ¶ 25.) Irmer also sought to develop new sources of revenue from non-baseball events, such as music concerts. (Id. ¶ 28.) She advocated that the White Sox pay rent to the ISFA and also sought to develop the publically owned lands around Cellular Field to generate additional revenue. (Id. ¶¶ 30, 35.) The White Sox and Reinsdorf opposed these proposals because of the economic detriment to them. (Id. ¶¶ 29-30.) Reinsdorf also opposed the music concerts on the basis that they could detract from revenue generated by concerts held at the United Center. (Id.)

 

In 2008, with Irmer's strong support, the ISFA persuaded the White Sox, over its initial objections, to agree for the first time to begin paying rent, in the token amount of $1.2 million per year. (Id. ¶ 35.) Reinsdorf increasingly viewed Irmer as an opponent based on her reforms. (Id. ¶¶ 34, 36.) He also did not support her efforts to bring more members of minority communities into the ballpark because he viewed the White Sox brand as appealing primarily to people from the suburbs or other areas of the city perceived as having little contact with minorities. (Id. ¶ 37.) As a result, Reinsdorf lobbied former Governor Blagojevich or members of his staff to persuade them that Irmer's employment contract should not be renewed in December 2008. However, before Irmer could be terminated, Blagojevich was indicted and arrested. Irmer's contract was not terminated and was extended through December 2010. (Id. ¶¶ 40-43.)

 

Irmer's conflicts with the White Sox continued as she persisted in her "efforts to protect and enhance the interests of Illinois taxpayers." (Id. ¶ 44.) In 2010, the White Sox proposed the development of a new restaurant on the north side of 35th Street, known as "Bacardi at the Park." (Id. ¶¶ 46-50.) Irmer strongly opposed the proposal as a one-sided benefit to the White Sox; the White Sox, and not the State of Illinois, would receive the rent and profit-sharing revenues generated by the restaurant. She repeatedly protested to the ISFA Board, to individual Board members and to the attorney for the ISFA that they should reject the Bacardi at the Park deal, based on her belief that "every ISFA Board member. . . had the legal duty to" reject the deal. (Id. ¶ 51.) However, the ISFA Board, led by Thompson, ignored Irmer's objections and approved the final Bacardi at the Park agreement in November 2010, giving away millions of dollars to the White Sox that could have gone to the State of Illinois. (Id. ¶ 52.)

 

 

 

She was also the one who pushed the White Sox to start paying paltry sum of $1.2 to IFSA for yearly rent beginning in 2008.

 

http://www.leagle.com/decision/In%20FDCO%2...0v.%20REINSDORF

Edited October 18, 2015 by caulfield12

[Jose Abreu]

Can't believe I missed "Waste Management: Home of Adam LaRoche!"

[Dick Allen]

Never heard the outcome of that suit, but at the time it was reported by the Tribune, the article mentioned that once Ms. Irmer successfully got the Sox to actually start paying rent in 2008 for a stadium that they were simply reaping all of the rewards from at no cost to them, it was all over but the shouting for her. According to the Trib, Reinsdorf immediately began lobbying the Blago to get her fired, which eventually culminated in the actions taken by Thompson as noted above.

 

Let that be a lesson for anyone thinking they can tinker with Jerry Reinsdorf's sweet heart lease deal with the state of Illinois that he received by threatening to move the team to Florida if his demands weren't met. That's the esteemed leader of our White Sox right there, in all of his glory. If only Reinsdorf were as good at producing sustainable, winning ball clubs as he is at blackmail, maybe we all would have prospered somewhat as a result of the sweet heart deal instead of only Reinsdorf and the investors. They've become immensely wealthy; meanwhile, we've only seen postseason play come to U.S. Cellular Field just four times in the ballpark's 25 year existence.

Suit was dismissed.

 

Jerry Reinsdorf not wanting to pay one more dime than his lease requires, what an unusual individual. I am sure if you were renting a place and had a 2 year lease, if a month in the landlord wanted you to pay more, you , like the rest of us, would just get the checkbook and ask how much more did they want.

[greg775]

Do you guys agree with me the Sox will get the least amount of media EVER this upcoming spring training into the season?

The Cubs have that young core and the rabid fanbase and just a few months after making the NLCS the media will be salivating to reporting on their spring training.

 

And after acquiring Price? Meanwhile, we got the buzzkiller LaRoche and the offseason stories about how his hand hurt all year or something and he's bound to be a star again??

 

I do love Robin the personality and the player, but really White Sox?? How can you keep the guy after what happened this past season? My opinion is Hahn/Kenny/Jerry truly believe there's no difference maker like Madden out there and they are waiting on Girardi's firing by the Yanks after next season.

[caulfield12]

Well, I don't think anybody believes having Don Mattingly or Matt Williams would make any difference.

 

It wouldn't sell nearly as many tickets as Puig, that's for sure.

[caulfield12]

Well, I don't think anybody believes having Don Mattingly or Matt Williams would make any difference.

 

It wouldn't sell nearly as many tickets as Puig, that's for sure.

[Quin]

Do you guys agree with me the Sox will get the least amount of media EVER this upcoming spring training into the season?

The Cubs have that young core and the rabid fanbase and just a few months after making the NLCS the media will be salivating to reporting on their spring training.

 

And after acquiring Price? Meanwhile, we got the buzzkiller LaRoche and the offseason stories about how his hand hurt all year or something and he's bound to be a star again??

 

I do love Robin the personality and the player, but really White Sox?? How can you keep the guy after what happened this past season? My opinion is Hahn/Kenny/Jerry truly believe there's no difference maker like Madden out there and they are waiting on Girardi's firing by the Yanks after next season.

 

Not when we sign Heyward, trade Q for Arenado, sign Buehrle and bring back Ozzie Guillen as bench coach.

[caulfield12]

Not when we sign Heyward, trade Q for Arenado, sign Buehlre and bring back Ozzie Guillen as bench coach.

 

Milton?

 

Whoops.

[Panerista]

Do you guys agree with me the Sox will get the least amount of media EVER this upcoming spring training into the season?

The Cubs have that young core and the rabid fanbase and just a few months after making the NLCS the media will be salivating to reporting on their spring training.

 

And after acquiring Price? Meanwhile, we got the buzzkiller LaRoche and the offseason stories about how his hand hurt all year or something and he's bound to be a star again??

 

I do love Robin the personality and the player, but really White Sox?? How can you keep the guy after what happened this past season? My opinion is Hahn/Kenny/Jerry truly believe there's no difference maker like Madden out there and they are waiting on Girardi's firing by the Yanks after next season.

Quinarvy beat me too it, but the White Sox post season will dictate the media coverage.

 

Let's be completely honest here. When the Cubs AND White Sox are good, they get relatively even media attention. 2008 was a good season for both the Cubs and the White Sox in terms of exposure

 

Back on topic, I'm always super critical of media when they favor teams. Local media has no idea how to cover the Blackhawks, so they default to rah, rah, rah. That is the wrong attitude. The media is the media is neutral. The Cubs are the Blackhawks darlings now.

[southsider2k5]

Quinarvy beat me too it, but the White Sox post season will dictate the media coverage.

 

Let's be completely honest here. When the Cubs AND White Sox are good, they get relatively even media attention. 2008 was a good season for both the Cubs and the White Sox in terms of exposure

 

Back on topic, I'm always super critical of media when they favor teams. Local media has no idea how to cover the Blackhawks, so they default to rah, rah, rah. That is the wrong attitude. The media is the media is neutral. The Cubs are the Blackhawks darlings now.

 

No, they don't. The Cubs coverage is always greater, because they are the greater media product.

 

[Dick Allen]

No, they don't. The Cubs coverage is always greater, because they are the greater media product.

Exactly. In 1993 the White Sox are in the ALCS. Broadcasting live from what was then called Comiskey Park, the first story in sports was the Cubs fired Jim Levebvre.

 

 

The Cubs will always get more coverage until enough people become interested in the White Sox. The White Sox do get more coverage than the Fire and the Sky, and the Sky are pretty good.

Edited October 20, 2015 by Dick Allen

[LittleHurt05]

Exactly. In 1993 the White Sox are in the ALCS. Broadcasting live from what was then called Comiskey Park, the first story in sports was the Cubs fired Jim Levebvre.

 

And then Michael Jordan retired that week too