OmarComing25 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Would anyone really be surprised to see Samardzija have a good-to-great year with some NL team next season? I'm fully expecting it to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 10:04 AM) Would anyone really be surprised to see Samardzija have a good-to-great year with some NL team next season? I'm fully expecting it to happen. I expect him and LaRoche to have bounce back years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 10:04 AM) Would anyone really be surprised to see Samardzija have a good-to-great year with some NL team next season? I'm fully expecting it to happen. In the nl? Sure. Anyone could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I think the article got this backwards, the Sox have no plans to re-sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin city sox fan Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 09:08 AM) I expect him and LaRoche to have bounce back years. Get them away from Robin and its bound to happen. I actually wouldn't mind signing Shark to an extension if we were smart enough to s***can Ventura in the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 11:10 AM) Get them away from Robin and its bound to happen. I actually wouldn't mind signing Shark to an extension if we were smart enough to s***can Ventura in the offseason. Yeah you're right, LaRoche had all those strikeouts because of Ventura, and Robin made Shark throw all those meatballs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Signing Shark bait to an extension with so many offensive holes to fill makes zero sense. So long Shark bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 11:03 AM) I think the article got this backwards, the Sox have no plans to re-sign him. Have you heard anything else? Or is your relationship with your buddy still at odds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 12:10 PM) Get them away from Robin and its bound to happen. I actually wouldn't mind signing Shark to an extension if we were smart enough to s***can Ventura in the offseason. So using your rationale, Chris Sale does damn good around Robin......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 QUOTE (glangon @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 11:22 AM) The Shark has given up more earned runs than any other pitcher this year. Another baseball non sequitir. The worst starting pitcher in baseball will be signed to a mega, mega million dollar deal. And the signing will be treated as great news by the fans that get him. He's the worst pitcher in baseball. Past performance means nothing once you are deemed an ace. Crazy stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 02:03 PM) Another baseball non sequitir. The worst starting pitcher in baseball will be signed to a mega, mega million dollar deal. And the signing will be treated as great news by the fans that get him. He's the worst pitcher in baseball. Past performance means nothing once you are deemed an ace. Crazy stuff. I can give you dozens of pitchers who were worse than Samardzija this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballz Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) I can give you dozens of pitchers who were worse than Samardzija this year. Dozens...?? That were #1s like him on the team he came from at the start of last year? Ok - Go ahead...list them. "Dozens" he says... That is 24 minimum. This outta be good. Edited October 22, 2015 by Ballz-n-Strikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (Ballz-n-Strikes @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 11:12 PM) Dozens...?? That were #1s like him on the team he came from at the start of last year? Ok - Go ahead...list them. "Dozens" he says... That is 24 minimum. This outta be good. Yeah, didn't Samardzija lead the league in total runs allowed...? That alone screams "you can't name 24 pitchers who are worse than me" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 07:00 AM) Yeah, didn't Samardzija lead the league in total runs allowed...? That alone screams "you can't name 24 pitchers who are worse than me" Sure you can. Chris Sale gave up more runs than Eric Johnson. I'd take Chris Sale. There are at least a couple pitchers per team that were worse than Samarjdzija. That would make up dozens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 07:28 AM) Sure you can. Chris Sale gave up more runs than Eric Johnson. I'd take Chris Sale. There are at least a couple pitchers per team that were worse than Samarjdzija. That would make up dozens. Maybe that's because Erik Johnson made 6 starts and did not qualify as an MLB pitcher in 2015? There are definitely not 2+ pitchers per team who were worse than Samardzija. Edited October 22, 2015 by Jose Abreu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 07:28 AM) Sure you can. Chris Sale gave up more runs than Eric Johnson. I'd take Chris Sale. There are at least a couple pitchers per team that were worse than Samarjdzija. That would make up dozens. No there wasnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Six worse among qualified starters for WAR. Danks is one of them, of course. Now we get a lecture about the 92 pitchers who sucked even more but didn't qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 08:01 AM) Maybe that's because Erik Johnson made 6 starts and did not qualify as an MLB pitcher in 2015? There are definitely not 2+ pitchers per team who were worse than Samardzija. That's exactly his point. The very worst pitchers don't end up qualifying. Samardzija put up a stinker of a year, but he was also 11th in innings pitched, which has value because it means you're not turning the ball over to the Kyle Ryan's of the world instead. Also, since nobody's narrowed it to just starting pitchers and most relievers are just failed starters, I'll suggest that there are dozens of relief pitchers who would have fared worse than Samardzija if you had tried to stretch them out and given them 30 starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 09:12 AM) That's exactly his point. The very worst pitchers don't end up qualifying. Samardzija put up a stinker of a year, but he was also 11th in innings pitched, which has value because it means you're not turning the ball over to the Kyle Ryan's of the world instead. Also, since nobody's narrowed it to just starting pitchers and most relievers are just failed starters, I'll suggest that there are dozens of relief pitchers who would have fared worse than Samardzija if you had tried to stretch them out and given them 30 starts. Exactly. I don't understand why non-qualified players suddenly don't count as major leaguers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 09:12 AM) That's exactly his point. The very worst pitchers don't end up qualifying. Samardzija put up a stinker of a year, but he was also 11th in innings pitched, which has value because it means you're not turning the ball over to the Kyle Ryan's of the world instead. Also, since nobody's narrowed it to just starting pitchers and most relievers are just failed starters, I'll suggest that there are dozens of relief pitchers who would have fared worse than Samardzija if you had tried to stretch them out and given them 30 starts. To be fair, if Samardzija's name was Kyle Ryan and had the same salary, he wouldn't have finished 11th in innings pitched. Part of the reason he pitched so much was simply based on reputation and the cost to acquire/play him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Saying that because Samardzija gave up the most earned runs means he was the worst just ignores all the pitchers that were rocked and sent down because they didn't have any staying power, like the Hector Noesis and Dallas Beelers of the world. But even ignoring those, here's my list: Kyle Kendrick Kyle Lohse Jerome Williams Jeremy Guthrie Matt Garza Chris Rusin Drew Hutchingson Michael Lorenzen Odrisamer Despaigne Alfredo Simon Chris Tillman Anibal Sanchez Rick Porcello Matt Boyd David Buchanan Shane Greene Keyvius Simpson Kyle Lobstein Sean O'Sullivan David Hale Eddie Butler Felix Doubrant Brad Hand Mike Foltynewicz Matt Cain Josh Collmenter Roberto Hernandez Vidal Nuno Mat Latos You get the idea (that's at least two dozen), but just because Shane Greene only pitched 81 innings before getting the plug pulled on him (meaning he didn't give up nearly as many runs over the entire season) doesn't mean he wasn't much worse than Samardzija this year. And again that ignores all the scrubs that pitched around the league that are not anywhere near good enough to get 30 starts, and if they had they would be on this list too. That also ignores all the damage our defense potentially did to Samardzija this year, considering his FIP and fWAR numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 09:26 AM) Saying that because Samardzija gave up the most earned runs means he was the worst just ignores all the pitchers that were rocked and sent down because they didn't have any staying power, like the Hector Noesis and Dallas Beelers of the world. But even ignoring those, here's my list: Kyle Kendrick Kyle Lohse Jerome Williams Jeremy Guthrie Matt Garza Chris Rusin Drew Hutchingson Michael Lorenzen Odrisamer Despaigne Alfredo Simon Chris Tillman Anibal Sanchez Rick Porcello Matt Boyd David Buchanan Shane Greene Keyvius Simpson Kyle Lobstein Sean O'Sullivan David Hale Eddie Butler Felix Doubrant Brad Hand Mike Foltynewicz Matt Cain Josh Collmenter Roberto Hernandez Vidal Nuno Mat Latos You get the idea (that's at least two dozen), but just because Shane Greene only pitched 81 innings before getting the plug pulled on him (meaning he didn't give up nearly as many runs over the entire season) doesn't mean he wasn't much worse than Samardzija this year. And again that ignores all the scrubs that pitched around the league that are not anywhere near good enough to get 30 starts, and if they had they would be on this list too. That also ignores all the damage our defense potentially did to Samardzija this year, considering his FIP and fWAR numbers. Samardzija sucked, but you are totally correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 09:23 AM) To be fair, if Samardzija's name was Kyle Ryan and had the same salary, he wouldn't have finished 11th in innings pitched. Part of the reason he pitched so much was simply based on reputation and the cost to acquire/play him. True in general, but a reputation has to have been earned somehow. Also in Samardzija's case he saved most of his badness for August and after. Up to that point he'd been solid, if still a minor disappointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 09:29 AM) Samardzija sucked, but you are totally correct. I'm not denying he sucked, as even his FIP wasn't all that great anyway, but just saying he was far from the worst, there are some really BAD pitchers out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 09:34 AM) I'm not denying he sucked, as even his FIP wasn't all that great anyway, but just saying he was far from the worst, there are some really BAD pitchers out there. Justin Masterson didn't even make your list. There are probably dozens more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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