MindGame2004 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Where does Don Cooper factor into Samardzija's failures this past season? Wherever he lands, it is going to be interesting to see how he does and what he's throwing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (MindGame2004 @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 09:48 AM) Where does Don Cooper factor into Samardzija's failures this past season? Wherever he lands, it is going to be interesting to see how he does and what he's throwing. He didn't get along with Cooper. Who's fault that is, we don't know, but I think you probably have to split it. One stat they had during one of the playoff games showed Shark threw his fastball a very small percentage of the time. Bottom 4 in baseball. I also read his slider was a big problem for him this year. He was hit hard vs. it, and in the past it was a put away pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 10:04 AM) He didn't get along with Cooper. Who's fault that is, we don't know, but I think you probably have to split it. One stat they had during one of the playoff games showed Shark threw his fastball a very small percentage of the time. Bottom 4 in baseball. I also read his slider was a big problem for him this year. He was hit hard vs. it, and in the past it was a put away pitch. I'm sure a combination of both. Vet pitching coach and vet pitcher. I want to see what his FB percentage is in relation to previous years and why he was using it so little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 10:09 AM) I'm sure a combination of both. Vet pitching coach and vet pitcher. I want to see what his FB percentage is in relation to previous years and why he was using it so little. http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfx.aspx?play...&position=P That has all sorts of numbers on his pitch selection, how hitters did against each pitch, movement on each pitch, batted ball data, and plate discipline data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 10:18 AM) http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfx.aspx?play...&position=P That has all sorts of numbers on his pitch selection, how hitters did against each pitch, movement on each pitch, batted ball data, and plate discipline data. Thanks! I'm trying to learn analytics in baseball. This will help. As for the "rift" between Coop and Shark, has it been confirmed? Has Coop had rifts with previous veteran pitchers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 Guys, I'm not saying that Samardzija leading the league in runs allowed alone makes him the worst pitcher in baseball. I'm saying that it's one factor as to why there aren't 24 pitchers who were worse than him, as a poster asserted previously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 10:44 AM) Guys, I'm not saying that Samardzija leading the league in runs allowed alone makes him the worst pitcher in baseball. I'm saying that it's one factor as to why there aren't 24 pitchers who were worse than him, as a poster asserted previously. And a list was provided that showed more than 24 pitchers who were worse than Samardzija. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 10:25 AM) Thanks! I'm trying to learn analytics in baseball. This will help. As for the "rift" between Coop and Shark, has it been confirmed? Has Coop had rifts with previous veteran pitchers? http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...=&players=0 This is another interesting link that shows how each team did against each type of pitch. Interestingly, we were the 2nd best offense in baseball against sliders, but got absolutely wrecked on changeups and curveballs and also fared quite poorly against fastballs. Looking back at 2014, we also fared poorly against curveballs but did quite well against changeups and decent against fastballs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindGame2004 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 10:04 AM) He didn't get along with Cooper. Who's fault that is, we don't know, but I think you probably have to split it. One stat they had during one of the playoff games showed Shark threw his fastball a very small percentage of the time. Bottom 4 in baseball. I also read his slider was a big problem for him this year. He was hit hard vs. it, and in the past it was a put away pitch. He threw more cutters this year than he's ever thrown before. And he was about as terrible as he's ever been. Someone should have probably said, "You know what? Maybe we need to stop having Jeff throw cutters." Ventura. Cooper. Samardzija himself. File it under the first step to fixing a problem is admitting there is one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (MindGame2004 @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 12:20 PM) He threw more cutters this year than he's ever thrown before. And he was about as terrible as he's ever been. Someone should have probably said, "You know what? Maybe we need to stop having Jeff throw cutters." Ventura. Cooper. Samardzija himself. File it under the first step to fixing a problem is admitting there is one. Judging by his last two starts, I'd say they figured out the problem was tipping pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Are we sure Cooper is good anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 12:25 PM) Are we sure Cooper is good anymore? Quintana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 12:25 PM) Are we sure Cooper is good anymore? The Sox were 3rd in the AL in pitching WAR this year (9th in the MLB) and 1st for SP. Samardzija was a failure, but you can't win them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindGame2004 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 12:23 PM) Judging by his last two starts, I'd say they figured out the problem was tipping pitches. Better late than never, right? I'll take what I can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindGame2004 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 12:25 PM) Are we sure Cooper is good anymore? I'm not sure it matters. It would seem that no matter who is manager, you get Don Cooper as part of the deal. He's been with the team to some degree since 1988 and become pitching coach in 2002. They've never looked back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindGame2004 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 12:29 PM) The Sox were 3rd in the AL in pitching WAR this year (9th in the MLB) and 1st for SP. Samardzija was a failure, but you can't win them all. Thanks a lot, Chris Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (MindGame2004 @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 01:43 PM) Thanks a lot, Chris Sale. Once again Quintana gets overlooked, even by White Sox fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 02:13 PM) Once again Quintana gets overlooked, even by White Sox fans. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 02:13 PM) Once again Quintana gets overlooked, even by White Sox fans. Hard to get wins with little to no run support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 02:17 PM) Hard to get wins with little to no run support. That has absolutely nothing to do with his WAR though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 02:22 PM) That has absolutely nothing to do with his WAR though. Oh lol I don't know about the advanced stats. Trying to learn though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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