Interview with the Chairman

[southsider2k5]

http://www.thereporteronline.net/newsx/loc...ears-super-bowl

[captain54]

http://www.thereporteronline.net/newsx/loc...ears-super-bowl

 

 

I disagree that a White Sox World Series was bigger than a Bears Super Bowl winner… Maybe it was for Sox fans, but not in the picture of how it impacted the city..

 

Those of us 65 and under..(the vast majority of those who follow Chicago sports)…as opposed to Reineys' age group…certainly remember following the Bears…those of us in our 60s remember the 1963 Championship, the days of Butkus, Gale Sayers, etc…

 

a roller coaster week in Chicago sports.. on the plus side, the North Side Halloween freak show is over, and the down side.. Reinsdorf wants to keep going with the Sox into his 90s, and he's confirmed he's involved in day to day operations….

 

I need a little dose of fake condescending delusional Rongey type optimism to snap me out of my Sox funk..NOT

[Dick Allen]

I disagree that a White Sox World Series was bigger than a Bears Super Bowl winner… Maybe it was for Sox fans, but not in the picture of how it impacted the city..

 

Those of us 65 and under..(the vast majority of those who follow Chicago sports)…as opposed to Reineys' age group…certainly remember following the Bears…those of us in our 60s remember the 1963 Championship, the days of Butkus, Gale Sayers, etc…

 

a roller coaster week in Chicago sports.. on the plus side, the North Side Halloween freak show is over, and the down side.. Reinsdorf wants to keep going with the Sox into his 90s, and he's confirmed he's involved in day to day operations….

 

I need a little dose of fake condescending delusional Rongey type optimism to snap me out of my Sox funk..NOT

I agree. I think because of the parade size JR is getting a little carried away. I think the windchill was 20 below for the Bears parade.

[LittleHurt05]

Jeff Vorva's Extra Point: Reinsdorf says Sox championship was bigger than Bears Super Bowl

 

Yeah, I stopped reading after that title, that's just silly JR.

[Thad Bosley]

I disagree that a White Sox World Series was bigger than a Bears Super Bowl winner… Maybe it was for Sox fans, but not in the picture of how it impacted the city..

 

Those of us 65 and under..(the vast majority of those who follow Chicago sports)…as opposed to Reineys' age group…certainly remember following the Bears…those of us in our 60s remember the 1963 Championship, the days of Butkus, Gale Sayers, etc…

 

a roller coaster week in Chicago sports.. on the plus side, the North Side Halloween freak show is over, and the down side.. Reinsdorf wants to keep going with the Sox into his 90s, and he's confirmed he's involved in day to day operations….

 

I need a little dose of fake condescending delusional Rongey type optimism to snap me out of my Sox funk..NOT

He also stated he sees no reason why he should discontinue his involvement in the running of the team. I guess he doesn't come to Soxtalk, because I could swear, I may be wrong, but I could swear I've pointed out once or twice the record of achievement, or lack thereof, that his involvement has rendered during his 35 years as owner. We'd all be much better off if someone took his so-called day-to-day responsibilities running this team off his plate as well!

[Dick Allen]

He also stated he sees no reason why he should discontinue his involvement in the running of the team. I guess he doesn't come to Soxtalk, because I could swear, I may be wrong, but I could swear I've pointed out once or twice the record of achievement, or lack thereof, that his involvement has rendered during his 35 years as owner. We'd all be much better off if someone took his so-called day-to-day responsibilities running this team off his plate as well!

At least he has a batting average for exciting seasons. Look at Ricketts, he's like 0-6. The press was praising him yesterday. Don't they realize not ever having a lead in the NLCS makes your entire season dull. He should sell.

[Pants Rowland]

At least he has a batting average for exciting seasons. Look at Ricketts, he's like 0-6. The press was praising him yesterday. Don't they realize not ever having a lead in the NLCS makes your entire season dull. He should sell.

 

I am going to channel my inner Greg here and say that while the Chairman has weathered many a proclaimed death notice of his team and franchise, the Ricketts' ownership and competence is a real thing and will not likely go the way of Wood, Prior, Baker, Frey, Zimmer, etc. If they continue to build the strong scouting, drafting, development foundation, I do believe it really will take a toll on the Sox and their local relevance over the long term.

 

I feel the White Sox franchise needs a fresh mindset and would love to see Reinsdorf fade in his role of CEO. I know the fraternity of MLB owners would be tough to crack, but Mark Cuban or someone of his ilk would be a welcome owner to tackle such a task. I think the market size of Chicago could be enticing enough to get a name like that to come in, especially since he already swung and missed on buying the Cubs.

[Thad Bosley]

At least he has a batting average for exciting seasons. Look at Ricketts, he's like 0-6. The press was praising him yesterday. Don't they realize not ever having a lead in the NLCS makes your entire season dull. He should sell.

You must buy snarky comments in bulk because you sure do heap a whole lot of them around here. But at least you didn't accuse me of whining and complaining, so I guess I have that to be thankful for. Meanwhile, continue to indulge yourself in your feint praise of Reinsdorf's 1-for-35 record of anything remotely approaching postseason achievement with that of Mr. Rickett. I can't imagine the riveting conversation that will spring forward from this astute observation of yours.

Edited October 23, 2015 by Thad Bosley

[greg775]

I thought it was a good article. He's of the belief baseball is the real sport that spans generations so yes he's high on the significance of the Sox title. He's rich and he's a typical sports owner. His team is his baby, his hobby and excuse for not retiring and sitting in a rocking chair. That's all fine, but sadly his team has changed and become pretty lousy. If he's truly involved in day to day operations, it's not working. If he's only 78 and wants at least 12 more years, he could be in for a lot of seasons in which the Sox are out of it by June.

[captain54]

At least he has a batting average for exciting seasons. Look at Ricketts, he's like 0-6. The press was praising him yesterday. Don't they realize not ever having a lead in the NLCS makes your entire season dull. He should sell.

 

Damn. You're right. ... wait.

 

Holy Crap! Reiney just played a Jedi Mind Game on me in that interview..He subliminally reminded me that the Cubs suck cause they haven't won squat, and the Sox are cool cause of 05.

 

 

 

Edited October 23, 2015 by captain54

[Lip Man 1]

Unfortunate that he didn't address one single issue that Sox fans are concerned about today regarding the state of his franchise (of course he may have agreed to the interview only under certain conditions, he has done so in the past...)

 

Basically a fluff piece.

 

Mark

[caulfield12]

Classic moving of the goalposts and hoping fans only focus on 2005 rather than a lost decade since when the Cubs came roaring back to make the Sox largely irrelevant.

 

With the Cardinals, Tigers before this season, Twins trending back up, Royals, Indians with Lindor/Kipnis/Brantley/Gomes/Santana and that pitching staff...other than the Brewers sucking we're hemmed in right now regionally by better run organizations. And even the Brewers continue to wallop a lot of teams in attendance despite being terrible.

[captain54]

With the Cardinals, Tigers before this season, Twins trending back up, Royals, Indians with Lindor/Kipnis/Brantley/Gomes/Santana and that pitching staff...other than the Brewers sucking we're hemmed in right now regionally by better run organizations. And even the Brewers continue to wallop a lot of teams in attendance despite being terrible.

 

I think its probably hard for Reiney to state specifics as to how things are moving forward in a interview....because there probably is in fact, no real clear direction forward

 

Reiney does some great work with Sox Charities and is not a bad guy…I'd be happy with him remaining a figurehead in the organization.. sort of like the Queen of England.. formally in charge.. but not really in charge..

 

Yeah like thats gonna happen.

[caulfield12]

Basically all he can say is our pitching staff has the foundation in place for greatness, we have a great hitter in Abreu, a really exciting/dynamic player in Eaton, an experienced closer in Robertson and about fifteen question marks.

 

Well, other than the fact Cabrera, Danks and LaRoche will all return.

[Thad Bosley]

Unfortunate that he didn't address one single issue that Sox fans are concerned about today regarding the state of his franchise (of course he may have agreed to the interview only under certain conditions, he has done so in the past...)

 

Basically a fluff piece.

 

Mark

No he did not. Maybe "the Chairman" should read this masterfully written analysis by the very thoughtful Jim Margulus over at SSS and then address the several salient observations therein, everything from the playoff drought of the past decade to the organization's refusal to act like a big market team and go out and get a premium free agent at least once in a while. He notes that the Sox are one of six teams that have never doled out a contract greater than $70 mill. The other teams? The A's, Indians, Pirates, Royals, and Diamondbacks. Seem right to you?

 

But don't you fret, dear diehard fan. Mr. Reinsdorf understands how important the game of baseball is to you and society as a whole - that's what he says, anyway - and so he'll continue to strap on his working boots each and every day and head into the office to be an integral part of the "day-to-day operations" of the White Sox. The only teensie weensie problem with that arrangement is the likelihood of more of the same of we've gotten from said involvement in the last seven, ten, 20, 35 years - slice that pie any way you'd like, it all comes out the same. It can actually make you feel sorry for the likes of a KW and RH if they are constantly micromanaged and overridden by someone with such a long track record of failed ideas.

 

http://www.southsidesox.com/2015/10/24/960...x-missed-chance

 

[Dick Allen]

No he did not. Maybe "the Chairman" should read this masterfully written analysis by the very thoughtful Jim Margulus over at SSS and then address the several salient observations therein, everything from the playoff drought of the past decade to the organization's refusal to act like a big market team and go out and get a premium free agent at least once in a while. He notes that the Sox are one of six teams that have never doled out a contract greater than $70 mill. The other teams? The A's, Indians, Pirates, Royals, and Diamondbacks. Seem right to you?

 

But don't you fret, dear diehard fan. Mr. Reinsdorf understands how important the game of baseball is to you and society as a whole - that's what he says, anyway - and so he'll continue to strap on his working boots each and every day and head into the office to be an integral part of the "day-to-day operations" of the White Sox. The only teensie weensie problem with that arrangement is the likelihood of more of the same of we've gotten from said involvement in the last seven, ten, 20, 35 years - slice that pie any way you'd like, it all comes out the same. It can actually make you feel sorry for the likes of a KW and RH if they are constantly micromanaged and overridden by someone with such a long track record of failed ideas.

 

http://www.southsidesox.com/2015/10/24/960...x-missed-chance

Exactly. This year's World Series teams are loaded with big money free agents up and down their rosters. Morosi actually called the Mets a mid market team. They did spend big on Johan Santana. How did that work out?

 

 

Jerry Reinsdorf has ruined our lives.

 

Usually he writes really good stuff, but he praises the Royals and rips the White Sox for not spending $100 million on free agents, then lists the Royals as one of the teams that hasn't done it either. Then says the Royals playoff run may give them a ton of money.

 

The fact is, the White Sox aren't losing because of a lack of resources. Their payroll is plenty to win. If you don't believe it, just look at the standings and check payrolls. Spending on Panda and Ramirez last winter didn't do much for Boston. They need to figure out how to develop hitters, and need the free agents they sign to live up to their previous performance.

 

Here is the link to the biggest contracts in each teams' history. Most are regrettable. 4 teams have won the WS with this person on their roster ARod, Holliday, Posey, and Manny.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/mlb-...t-contract.html

Edited October 24, 2015 by Dick Allen

[caulfield12]

So basically the White Sox need to be more allocatively efficient.

 

Sign Morales instead of LaRoche, Volquez/C. Young/Medlen instead of Shark...develop their own hitters (Hosmer, Moustakas, Gordon, Perez), get the right assets back when you trade star quality players (Cain, Escobar and Odorizzi for Greinke, then Odorizzi/Myers for Shields and Wade Davis) and trade surplus minor league assets for guys like Cueto and Zobrist.

 

The Royals made bad decisions with Rios and Infante but were still able to cover for them. Some of their young starting pitchers didn't take the next step either (Ventura/Duffy), but they still were a better team than last year. Finally, Cueto wasn't as good as he was hyped to be in transitioning to the AL. Quite a few things went wrong but they still had depth at both the major and minor league level to keep the wheels on the bus turning.

Edited October 24, 2015 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-colum...le41341293.html

 

Maybe Thad Bosley can use his persistence to deliver this column to JR before it's too late...

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Unfortunate that he didn't address one single issue that Sox fans are concerned about today regarding the state of his franchise (of course he may have agreed to the interview only under certain conditions, he has done so in the past...)

 

Basically a fluff piece.

 

Mark

 

Yep the next time JR says anything remotely revealing concerning the state of the franchise will be the first time.

[Brian]

Yep the next time JR says anything remotely revealing concerning the state of the franchise will be the first time.

 

In the past, if a radio guy or writer challenged JR, he pretty much never granted them an interview or put them on his blacklist. I don't expect anything from JR as far as info in an article.

[Thad Bosley]

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-colum...le41341293.html

 

Maybe Thad Bosley can use his persistence to deliver this column to JR before it's too late...

How much nicer would it be to be reading about Mr. Reinsdorf talking about how it felt to be hugging the William Harridge trophy AGAIN cuz he won the pennant AGAIN, and how electrified the Sox fan base was as a result. TV ratings and attendance going through the roof down there in KC. Wouldn't you rather be hearing the Chairman waxing eloquent about that same phenomenon going on with the Sox rather than him sharing his uninteresting point of view on whether the '05 WS had more of an impact on the city than the '85 Bears Super Bowl championship. Who the heck cares about any of that!

 

LOL - win, darn you!! WIN! Start winning and talking about that already!!!!! Enough of the fluff!

 

Edited October 25, 2015 by Thad Bosley

[caulfield12]

How much nicer would it be to be reading about Mr. Reinsdorf talking about how it felt to be hugging the William Harridge trophy AGAIN cuz he won the pennant AGAIN, and how electrified the Sox fan base was as a result. TV ratings and attendance going through the roof down there in KC. Wouldn't you rather be hearing the Chairman waxing eloquent about that same phenomenon going on with the Sox rather than him sharing his uninteresting point of view on whether the '05 WS had more of an impact on the city than the '85 Bears Super Bowl championship. Who the heck cares about any of that!

 

LOL - win, darn you!! WIN! Start winning and talking about that already!!!!! Enough of the fluff!

 

 

And Glass was more hated/reviled/despised than Reinsdorf ever was in Chicago. At least JR had Michael, Scottie and Phil to fall back on. Glass was basically Darth Vader.

 

He was basically accused of bringing a Wal-Mart "cheap/maximizing profits" approach for at least a decade. He followed Ewing Kauffman, who was even more beloved in KC than Bill Veeck could ever be in Chicago because he gave KC all those great teams from 1976-85...but he was finally willing to admit they needed to bring in someone from an organization like the Braves who knew how to properly evaluate both talent and character. That he needed to hire experts to build things correctly from the ground up instead of extrapolating Wal-Mart systems methodologies to the operations of a professional baseball franchise without the advantage of economies of scale in the smallest media market in MLB.

Edited October 25, 2015 by caulfield12

[Dick Allen]

Dayton Moore is so awesome. He took over as GM in 2006.

 

2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 they wee horrible. Decent in 2013 , WC in 2014.

 

 

So it took him 8.5 seasons to reach the playoffs. KW gets ripped for not reaching them in 7. Their first division crown in his 9th season.

 

Amazing how that works.

[Thad Bosley]

So it took him 8.5 seasons to reach the World Series in consecutive years. KW gets ripped for his inability to produce sustained success like this during his 13 years at the helm.

That would be about right.

[caulfield12]

Dayton Moore is so awesome. He took over as GM in 2006.

 

2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 they wee horrible. Decent in 2013 , WC in 2014.

 

 

So it took him 8.5 seasons to reach the playoffs. KW gets ripped for not reaching them in 7. Their first division crown in his 9th season.

 

Amazing how that works.

 

6.5 seasons to be ten games over .500. Realistically, we could say six since it's impossible to turn around a season for a losing organization with no resources committed when you're hired in the middle of the year. Interesting math system there.

 

7.5 seasons for the WC and World Series.

 

8.5 seasons for the division and World Series.

 

Best record in the AL from 2013-2015 and two consecutive playoff and World Series appearances, something the White Sox have never done in franchise history.

 

All this coming from MLB's smallest media market and with a very limited payroll until Glass approved adding James Shields.

 

By the end of the World Series, more playoff/postseason games in two years than the White Sox have had in the past 55.

 

The White Sox had 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16...which is 8 years MAYBE getting back to .500 in Year Eight (and Year 2 of some plan or another) but right now even that's highly unlikely to most.

 

If the White Sox made it to the World Series in both 2017 and 2018 they'd still be behind schedule. I don't think anyone will take that bet, though.

 

Last year it was luck or a fluke in the WC game...this year it was the umpiring. What will it be next season as the excuse? If Ned Yost is worse than Ventura and Moore isn't that good either, why haven't the White Sox with exponentially more resources been able to pull off the same seemingly easy feat?

Edited October 25, 2015 by caulfield12