BlackSox13 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 24, 2015 -> 07:07 PM) @scotgregor: This came up during NLCS-if #Cubs go with Schwarber at catcher, should #WhiteSox pursue Montero in trade? 2/$28 mil left on deal Seen this just now on Twitter. My initial thought was " f*** that!". However, a straight up trade of Melky for Montero could be doable with Montero owed 28M and Melky 29MM through '17. The Sox could shift Eaton to LF and put Thompson in CF with Avi/Shuck/FA in RF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Oct 24, 2015 -> 08:23 PM) My initial thought was " f*** that!". However, a straight up trade of Melky for Montero could be doable with Montero owed 28M and Melky 29MM through '17. The Sox could shift Eaton to LF and put Thompson in CF with Avi/Shuck/FA in RF. But does that trade really make the Sox any better? Thompson is far from a sure thing and his hot bat in September was polar opposite of what he's done in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 So is there any possibilities from the farm that we may see within 5 years? It's kinda sad when there were guys like Bench, Fisk, Munson and Simmons. They were household names. My how baseball has changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Oct 24, 2015 -> 08:49 PM) But does that trade really make the Sox any better? Thompson is far from a sure thing and his hot bat in September was polar opposite of what he's done in the minors. Offensively, not sure but definitely better defensively. I'd rather have Thompson over Eaton in CF and Eaton over Melky in LF. It's a risk I'd being willing to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Oct 24, 2015 -> 08:53 PM) So is there any possibilities from the farm that we may see within 5 years? It's kinda sad when there were guys like Bench, Fisk, Munson and Simmons. They were household names. My how baseball has changed. There's a couple options offensively. Anderson next season. He's as close to a sure thing as we've had. 3B Trey M is a good young prospect but is probably 2-3 years away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 24, 2015 -> 08:56 PM) There's a couple options offensively. Anderson next season. He's as close to a sure thing as we've had. 3B Trey M is a good young prospect but is probably 2-3 years away. That third sentence speaks volumes for how far our minor league rebuild still has left to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 24, 2015 -> 10:00 PM) That third sentence speaks volumes for how far our minor league rebuild still has left to go. We have better luck with pitching though. It's far deeper. I'm sure others on here that follow a lot more than I do can go into detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Sure, but having three consecutive Top Ten picks tends to help as well. The proof will be in what we eventually get out of Beck, Johnson, Danish, Montas, Adams, Fulmer and about 3-4 others. They pretty much lucked into Rodon because of Kolek and Aiken both going in front of him. Carson Fulmer has more risk attached to him in terms of his delivery. For Carlos, the biggest issues will always be control and the development of his change-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 24, 2015 -> 10:28 PM) Sure, but having three consecutive Top Ten picks tends to help as well. The proof will be in what we eventually get out of Beck, Johnson, Danish, Montas, Adams, Fulmer and about 3-4 others. They pretty much lucked into Rodon because of Kolek and Aiken both going in front of him. Carson Fulmer has more risk attached to him in terms of his delivery. For Carlos, the biggest issues will always be control and the development of his change-up. Sure it does. But that's how teams get really good talents for the most part. Astros wouldn't have gotten Coreia at like 10. They were 3? Happens. Sucking so bad will get ya top talent. No matter the sport. I was really happy with Rodon. Very lucky Edited October 25, 2015 by SouthSideSale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 24, 2015 -> 09:31 PM) Sure it does. But that's how teams get really good talents for the most part. Astros wouldn't have gotten Coreia at like 10. They were 3? Happens. Sucking so bad will get ya top talent. No matter the sport. I was really happy with Rodon. Very lucky The main point is you're expected to hit more often than not on Top Ten picks. When they can consistently get yearly positive results from lower rounds (Buehrle, Reed, Nate Jones, Petricka, Santiago, etc.) like the Cardinals do, that's the hallmark of great scouting and development. A high standard, but no choice since they can't spend their way out and aren't developing any position players that we can project to be above replacement level starters with a few exceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 24, 2015 -> 10:56 PM) The main point is you're expected to hit more often than not on Top Ten picks. When they can consistently get yearly positive results from lower rounds (Buehrle, Reed, Nate Jones, Petricka, Santiago, etc.) like the Cardinals do, that's the hallmark of great scouting and development. A high standard, but no choice since they can't spend their way out and aren't developing any position players that we can project to be above replacement level starters with a few exceptions. Absolutely. That's why I'm paying attention to the Trey M, Adams, Danish, guys along with trades like Rondon, JBW. That makes a team core at times. I want a guy from the Cardinals scouting department. They seem to always be doing things right and it shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Unfortunately the best are loyal to Mozeliak, with Luhnow in Houston or no longer viable due to their connection to the hacking/FBI scandal with Houston. They did bring in Hostetler from the Braves' organization to basically replace Laumann at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Oct 25, 2015 -> 11:20 AM) That's good stuff there. It's hard hitting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 24, 2015 -> 11:19 PM) Unfortunately the best are loyal to Mozeliak, with Luhnow in Houston or no longer viable due to their connection to the hacking/FBI scandal with Houston. They did bring in Hostetler from the Braves' organization to basically replace Laumann at least. Hostetler managed this year's draft after the first pick, and I've been a fan so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 24, 2015 -> 01:26 PM) Neither would Theo. Lol. Get the f*** out of here with that troll s***. Baez hasn't proven s*** at the major league level no matter what Theo thinks of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Oct 24, 2015 -> 05:30 PM) Just to entertain the Sox/cubs trade idea. I wonder if something like Erik Johnson for Villanueva/Castro would be close? Sox could decline Alexei's option and go after a FA pitcher like Latos or preferably Iwakuma. I'm not really a fan of Castro but his contract is relatively cheap and he is only 25 so there's still hope for his bat and him developing into a decent SS or 2BB. Not sure the cubs would be interested in EJ though. Castro sported an OPS of .667 this year and is basically owed $40 million over the next 4 years. Sox already have several middle infield guys who struggle with the bat. We want to trade a promising young pitcher for that? Honestly.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 24, 2015 -> 01:54 PM) Based on the fact he is 22 and they think he is going to be a stud. When he was 21 he was considered one of the top 5 prospects in the game. If the Sox want Cubs prospects who played this year, Castro is the guy they would dump, maybe Soler. It is just fantasy to think the Sox could get Schwarber or Baez. Maybe if they traded Sale. You can tell me I am wrong, but when you see the Cubs 2016 roster you will see I was right. What Cubs prospect is named Castro? Starlin? He's no prospect. Soler is terrible on D - he'd fit right in here. YOu may be right, based on what they say. But I also know that both Theo and Maddon are in PR mode 24/7, and they hype their players incessantly. (one would have thought that Castro had an excellent year, listening to those 2). There is a further purpose for hype beyond PR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whtsoxfan Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Any of these make sense? http://chicagostylesports.com/2015/10/25/c...series-in-2016/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 QUOTE (whtsoxfan @ Oct 25, 2015 -> 01:20 PM) Any of these make sense? http://chicagostylesports.com/2015/10/25/c...series-in-2016/ That article had to be written by a Cubs fan. Almost all those deals greatly favor the Cubs. I know Hahn would hang up immediately if Theo offered that package for Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Oct 25, 2015 -> 01:11 PM) What Cubs prospect is named Castro? Starlin? He's no prospect. Soler is terrible on D - he'd fit right in here. YOu may be right, based on what they say. But I also know that both Theo and Maddon are in PR mode 24/7, and they hype their players incessantly. (one would have thought that Castro had an excellent year, listening to those 2). There is a further purpose for hype beyond PR. You aren't getting Russell, Baez, Schwarber, or Bryant if you offer Q. their guys still in the minors, Soler, and Castro are their trade pieces.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 25, 2015 -> 02:01 PM) You aren't getting Russell, Baez, Schwarber, or Bryant if you offer Q. their guys still in the minors, Soler, and Castro are their trade pieces.. Then they won't get much in trade. Castro has very little trade value. Teams aren't exactly lining up for .667 OPS at a bargain price of $40 million. I think they'd trade Schwarber...all that talk about him playing C is just that...to up his value. He has no position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 QUOTE (whtsoxfan @ Oct 25, 2015 -> 01:20 PM) Any of these make sense? http://chicagostylesports.com/2015/10/25/c...series-in-2016/ Some might, but not the one for the White Sox. Not a single elite prospect in the bunch. And of course, Starlin Castro, who has about zero trade value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 QUOTE (whtsoxfan @ Oct 25, 2015 -> 01:20 PM) Any of these make sense? http://chicagostylesports.com/2015/10/25/c...series-in-2016/ Haha no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 That is one of the worst trade ideas for Chris Sale I've ever seen. That says alot because there's been a multitude of trade ideas on the Chris Sale front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 25, 2015 -> 02:01 PM) You aren't getting Russell, Baez, Schwarber, or Bryant if you offer Q. their guys still in the minors, Soler, and Castro are their trade pieces.. Russell & Bryant are untouchable, but you're completely over-valuing Baez if you include him they group. You do realize that GMs will occasionally exagerate their opinion or even lie to help give them leverage in negotiations? Castro is clearly the guy they want to move, everybody knows this, but he has almost no value to due to his contact and lack of performance. Theo can and will continue hype him as a significant piece, but there's a reason other GMs aren't biting. Baez is the guy he'll end up moving in a package for a front-line starter (along with Soler and/or prospects). And guess what, Theo will be ecstatic because he'll have greatly improved rotation and still have an offensive core of Rizzo, Bryant, Schwarber, & Russell (amongst others) to build around. I'm not sure if you're simply under-valuing Quintana or doing your best Jed Hoyer impersonation, but you are way off base on this subject and have officially bought into the Theo hype machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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