Guest wsc425 Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 If JM didn't screw up in the 2000 playoffs with those two, and the wells and ritchie trade never happened, don't you think the rotation would have been interesting? Starting Rotation Colon Buerhle Parque Sirotka Loaiza BP-Garland, Koch, Wright, Wells, Fogg, Marte, Schoenweis, Sullivan, Wunsch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 we never would have had E-Lo and Colon in the 1st place then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Anybody have any idea how Sirotka did this year? Did he pitch at all? I have not heard ONE WORD about him this year. I liked him a lot and I really hope he can come back, EVEN if it's for the Lovable Losers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 If JM didn't screw up in the 2000 playoffs with those two, and the wells and ritchie trade never happened, don't you think the rotation would have been interesting? Starting Rotation Colon Buerhle Parque Sirotka Loaiza BP-Garland, Koch, Wright, Garland, Marte, Schoenweis, Sullivan, Wunsch... WHy would we want those two losers in our rotation?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssHatSoxFan Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 and i doubt we would have 2 garlands and maybe none of these other deals would have happened... i like it better without parque but i hope the best for sirotka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Heck, why not bring up Wilson Alvarez who has the best ERA in the majors in the 2nd half of the season. In all seriousness, Parque and Sirotka were gonna get injured. Siro was injured because he went to Japan and Parque got injured for whatever reason. Parque was never overworked or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Heck, why not bring up Wilson Alvarez who has the best ERA in the majors in the 2nd half of the season. In all seriousness, Parque and Sirotka were gonna get injured. Siro was injured because he went to Japan and Parque got injured for whatever reason. Parque was never overworked or anything. I feel bad for Sirotka cause he was my fav starter on the 2000 team. I wish him the best, wherever he ends up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 If JM didn't screw up in the 2000 playoffs with those two, and the wells and ritchie trade never happened Now how in hell can you remotely blame JM for anything with Parque and Sirotka? How in hell can you do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 i checked the baseball america website i don't think sirotka pitched for the third straight year always liked him -- a lot. hope he comes back somewhere. never wanted to see him leave, especially for Phat Man Wells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Um did you watch the 2000 playoffs?? Parque and Sirotka and Baldwin for that matter pitched their asses off. JM didn't screw anything up in the ALDS as far as I'm concerned. The offense just choked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Um did you watch the 2000 playoffs?? Parque and Sirotka and Baldwin for that matter pitched their asses off. JM didn't screw anything up in the ALDS as far as I'm concerned. The offense just choked. DK, I might just write you into my will for that post... and nuke, I met Parque, thought he was a great guy - in I were in a fight, he'd be the eone person I could count on to keep battling despite the odds - all the parque haters (which I don't understand) will come out now but I liked the guy's attitude. He was no quitter. And Sirotka - always liked him too - felt really bad we lost both of them but if the D Wells trade hadn't happened, what makes anyone think Siro would still be pitching, or parque for that matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Seems like evereyone really liked Sirotka.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Seems like evereyone really liked Sirotka.... yeah, I think everyone did/does like Siro - he was a hard working player who had success and as likable in a low key way player as we ever had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 I do miss Siro. He was a gutsy guy who didn't have the most talent in the world, but that didn't slow him down for a second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 I remember him pitching like a complete game where he gave up one run on two hits, and i don't think it was earned, against Pedro and lost. He gave his all every time he went out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 i was at that game Siro pitched it was in late August at Fenway on a Sunday afternoon. I believe the run was unearned because of a -- believe it or not -- Valentin error. Sox had a chance to score in the ninth, but couldn't get a big hit. Von Joshua got tossed because he laid a towel down in the dugout to show John Hirshbeck how wide his strike zone was. Siro literally gave his career to the Sox. Pitched lotso innings. Pitched hurt in the Division series against Seattle. The pitching was actually pretty good against Seattle, considering Parque, Baldwin, Sirotka and Eldred all were sore or shut down. Foulke gave it up in one game in Comiskey as I remember. And the offense was a total no-show. TOTAL. Three full years on the sidelines tells me Sirotka will need a miracle to come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurlyMan56 Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 Jose Rijo made it back last year.... so I still think Siro has a chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 i was at that game Siro pitched it was in late August at Fenway on a Sunday afternoon. I believe the run was unearned because of a -- believe it or not -- Valentin error. Sox had a chance to score in the ninth, but couldn't get a big hit. Von Joshua got tossed because he laid a towel down in the dugout to show John Hirshbeck how wide his strike zone was. Siro literally gave his career to the Sox. Pitched lotso innings. Pitched hurt in the Division series against Seattle. The pitching was actually pretty good against Seattle, considering Parque, Baldwin, Sirotka and Eldred all were sore or shut down. Foulke gave it up in one game in Comiskey as I remember. And the offense was a total no-show. TOTAL. Three full years on the sidelines tells me Sirotka will need a miracle to come back. CHI WHITE SOX (0) VS BOSTON (1) - FINAL CHI WHITE SOX ab r h rbi bb so lob avg Durham 2b 4 0 0 0 0 1 0 .286 Jose Valentin ss 4 0 1 0 0 2 0 .271 F Thomas dh 4 0 0 0 0 2 1 .336 M Ordonez rf 4 0 1 0 0 1 0 .330 Konerko 1b 3 0 1 0 0 2 1 .302 Singleton cf 4 0 2 0 0 0 2 .265 Ca Lee lf 4 0 1 0 0 2 3 .294 H Perry 3b 3 0 0 0 0 3 4 .304 Ml Johnson c 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 .221 a-B Fordyce ph-c 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 .245 Totals 33 0 6 0 0 15 11 a-struck out for Ml Johnson in the 8th. BATTING: 2B - M Ordonez (23, P Martinez). Runners left in scoring position, 2 out - H Perry 2, Ca Lee 1. Team LOB - 7. FIELDING: E - Jose Valentin (25, throw). DP: 1 (H Perry-Durham-Konerko). BOSTON ab r h rbi bb so lob avg D Lewis cf 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 .240 Daubach 1b 4 0 2 0 0 1 1 .278 N Garciaparra ss 3 0 0 0 1 1 0 .391 Sprague 3b 4 0 0 0 0 0 5 .190 Oleary lf 3 0 0 0 0 1 0 .264 Alcantara dh 3 1 1 0 0 0 0 .391 Varitek c 3 0 1 1 0 1 0 .270 Gilkey rf 3 0 0 0 0 0 2 .250 Alexander 2b 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 .205 Totals 28 1 5 1 2 4 8 BATTING: 2B - Daubach (22, Sirotka). S - D Lewis. RBI - Varitek (40). Runners left in scoring position, 2 out - Sprague 4, Gilkey 1. GIDP - Gilkey. Team LOB - 6. -------------------------------------------------- Chi White Sox - 000 000 000 -- 0 Boston - 000 100 00X -- 1 -------------------------------------------------- CHI WHITE SOX ip h r er bb so hr era Sirotka (L, 9-8) 8 5 1 0 2 4 0 3.72 BOSTON ip h r er bb so hr era P Martinez (W, 11-3) 9 6 0 0 0 15 0 1.38 IBB - N Garciaparra (by Sirotka). HBP - Konerko (by P Martinez). Pitches-strikes: P Martinez 131-95; Sirotka 125-78. Ground balls-fly balls: P Martinez 4-8; Sirotka 14-6. Batters faced: P Martinez 34; Sirotka 31. UMPIRES: HP--Brian Onora. 1B--Dan Iassogna. 2B--Mark Hirschbeck. 3B--Wally Bell. EJECTIONS: CHI WHITE SOX manager J Manuel by Onora (8th), CHI WHITE SOX coach Joshua by Bell (8th). T--2:28. Att--33,224. Weather: 78 degrees, clear. Wind: 12 mph, left to right. How They Scored CHI WHITE SOX (0) AT BOSTON (1) - HOW THEY SCORED BOSTON 4TH: Oleary flied out to center. Alcantara safe at second on shortstop Jose Valentin's throwing error. Varitek singled to center, Alcantara scored. Gilkey grounded into double play, third to second to first, Varitek out at second. CHI WHITE SOX 0, BOSTON 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 If JM didn't screw up in the 2000 playoffs with those two, and the wells and ritchie trade never happened, don't you think the rotation would have been interesting? Starting Rotation Colon Buerhle Parque Sirotka Loaiza BP-Garland, Koch, Wright, Wells, Fogg, Marte, Schoenweis, Sullivan, Wunsch... Wells is the Pen?? NOT!!! Sirotka and Parque were Hurt. I think Parque will probably get another chance as a situational Lefty. Or Maybe he'll go to Japan, Taiwan or the Mexican league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 If JM didn't screw up in the 2000 playoffs wsc....weren't you like 7 in 2000? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 If JM didn't screw up in the 2000 playoffs with those two, and the wells and ritchie trade never happened, don't you think the rotation would have been interesting? Starting Rotation Colon Buerhle Parque Sirotka Loaiza BP-Garland, Koch, Wright, Wells, Fogg, Marte, Schoenweis, Sullivan, Wunsch... Are you playing with monopoly money? LMAO.....10 starting pitchers on your staff is interesting though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 wsc....weren't you like 7 in 2000? No he is 7 NOW... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 Parque was never overworked or anything. That's because he was never able to get past the 5th or 6th inning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 wsc....weren't you like 7 in 2000? No he is 7 NOW... Cheap Shot, I love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 all the parque haters (which I don't understand) will come out now but I liked the guy's attitude. He was no quitter. The Parque-haters have been vocal for awhile now cw. Butter really turned off alot of fans when the Sun-Times printed that Butter-b****-Fest when he was in the White Sox minor league system. Butter's, "whoa is me..... I've done everything they wanted me to, but I'm still in the minor leagues when I should be in the Major Leagues, what else do I have to do?", while only being able to go 5-6 innings in the minor leagues with an astronomical ERA", pissed off alot of Sox fans. Then to come up here and get OWNED by Cameron when he's "ready"? Most Sox fans said, "f*** him" after that. I know I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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