Bob Sacamano Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 28, 2015 -> 11:17 AM) They really do need an ace and they could have gone after Jordan Zimmermann who should be cheaper than Price. Then again, I don't know much about the Jays finances either. I'm quite surprised they didn't go after Samardzija. Maybe Samardzija's asking price is too much? There's nothing impressive about that rotation when looking beyond Estrada and Stroman. The Jays offense will need to continue mashing to win games. I've always read that the ownership up there has a ton of money but seem unwilling to spend the big bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 28, 2015 -> 11:17 AM) I hear that Marcus Stroman kid is pretty good. I don't think it's fair for him to have to be the ace of that staff quite yet. He's still super young and coming off of an injury plagued season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 2m2 minutes ago #Tigers in discussions with Jordan Zimmermann, sources tell @ken_rosenthal and me, with multiple people saying talks have become serious. Bring it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 28, 2015 -> 10:21 PM) Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 2m2 minutes ago #Tigers in discussions with Jordan Zimmermann, sources tell @ken_rosenthal and me, with multiple people saying talks have become serious. Bring it. Well that's a little unexpected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Nov 28, 2015 -> 10:33 PM) Well that's a little unexpected I'm not really surprised. I expect them to sign 2 guys not in the top tier (guys like Zimmermann, Samardzija, Iwakuma, Leake, Cueto, etc.). Some combination of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Nothing would make me happier then to see the Tigers spend $100+ million on a guy like Zimmermann when they're clearly not good enough to win the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 As a Sox fan, I feel this would be a wise move for Detroit. Go right ahead and tie up 100M+ in another contract that could become another albatross like Verlander's in a few years. Assuming Zimmermann gets the speculated 6 years. I think Zimmermann could hold his value for another 3 or 4 years but not 6. Go for it Tigers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 29, 2015 -> 01:25 PM) As a Sox fan, I feel this would be a wise move for Detroit. Go right ahead and tie up 100M+ in another contract that could become another albatross like Verlander's in a few years. Assuming Zimmermann gets the speculated 6 years. I think Zimmermann could hold his value for another 3 or 4 years but not 6. Go for it Tigers! ahhh i like the machiavellian idea of that. .... real nice way to look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 At least Detroit tries. Can't fault them for that. We keep talking about well they'll regret it later, meanwhile they'll continue to own us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 29, 2015 -> 12:07 AM) Nothing would make me happier then to see the Tigers spend $100+ million on a guy like Zimmermann when they're clearly not good enough to win the division. QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 29, 2015 -> 06:25 AM) As a Sox fan, I feel this would be a wise move for Detroit. Go right ahead and tie up 100M+ in another contract that could become another albatross like Verlander's in a few years. Assuming Zimmermann gets the speculated 6 years. I think Zimmermann could hold his value for another 3 or 4 years but not 6. Go for it Tigers! Great minds think alike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 @jonmorosi: Sources: Jordan Zimmermann's deal with #Tigers expected to be 5 years and around $110 million. @JonHeymanCBS first reported agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Only 15 free agents left with QOs. Hope they all sign on different teams without protected protected first round picks (or the Padres with 2 comp picks before us). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowand's rowdies Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) This is a move I love seeing as a White Sox fan. Let Detoliet sign an older overpriced overrated NL SP from a team that stole theirs, a real AL SP Stud in Scherzer. If they had this $$$ to throw at a guy who to me is an AL #3 or #4 SP at his best, why not splurge and keep Max? Enjoy this deal Tigers fans. You're paying Verlander, Sanchez & Zimmerman a combined $66 million to pitch in 2016. Their 2 best SPs may end up being Norris and Boyd, 2 guys that don't combine for $2 million in 2016! If the Tigers want to add that 2nd #2 Tier Free Agent SP like Cueto, be my guest. Maybe they can spend $90 million a year on 4 overrated starting pitchers that best fit in the National League? Edited November 29, 2015 by rowand's rowdies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 29, 2015 -> 10:57 AM) At least Detroit tries. Can't fault them for that. We keep talking about well they'll regret it later, meanwhile they'll continue to own us. The last two years Detroit has gone 20-18 against us, that's not "owning us". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 QUOTE (rowand's rowdies @ Nov 29, 2015 -> 05:37 PM) This is a move I love seeing as a White Sox fan. Let Detoliet sign an older overpriced overrated NL SP from a team that stole theirs, a real AL SP Stud in Scherzer. If they had this $$$ to throw at a guy who to me is an AL #3 or #4 SP at his best, why not splurge and keep Max? Enjoy this deal Tigers fans. You're paying Verlander, Sanchez & Zimmerman a combined $66 million to pitch in 2016. Their 2 best SPs may end up being Norris and Boyd, 2 guys that don't combine for $2 million in 2016! If the Tigers want to add that 2nd #2 Tier Free Agent SP like Cueto, be my guest. Maybe they can spend $90 million a year on 4 overrated starting pitchers that best fit in the National League? I agree. However, with this new explosion in $$$ going to free agents, makes you wonder if the Sox are hoarding $$$s. How can some teams afford to pay these outlandish contracts? Just makes you wonder if the Sox and all teams still would make money with 200 to 300 million dollar payrolls. I mean before too long somebody's gonna have a billion dollar payroll. This salary escalation is showing no signs of stopping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Honestly that's not a bad deal for a guy like Zimmerman. It's just Detroit has too much junk on their payroll that really dampens this signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Honestly I thought Zimmerman would get a lot more (closer to $150 million than $100 million), so not a bad deal for the Tigers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Nov 29, 2015 -> 02:53 PM) Honestly that's not a bad deal for a guy like Zimmerman. It's just Detroit has too much junk on their payroll that really dampens this signing. I agree with this. He had a down year last season but up until that point he was a front of the line starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpd9189 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Yeah Zimmerman's a really good SP and that deal is not all that bad. I had him pegged in the $140-$150mil range. Very good signing for Detroit IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Signing Zimmerman to a 5 year deal, instead of the expected 7 years is pretty big. The Tigers should probably stop throwing large contracts around, but it's not really a bad deal on paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 sp - Johnny Cueto and the amount he rejected. there are 2 different amounts that was offered, a contract in the 15-18 mil range and another in the 6yrs/120 range. either way, before last yr, i would have sworn that he was in the 25 per range or more. but after last yr performance, i thought the 6/120 is a fair price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 30, 2015 -> 05:26 AM) sp - Johnny Cueto and the amount he rejected. there are 2 different amounts that was offered, a contract in the 15-18 mil range and another in the 6yrs/120 range. either way, before last yr, i would have sworn that he was in the 25 per range or more. but after last yr performance, i thought the 6/120 is a fair price. Nah. He'll get more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 30, 2015 -> 01:34 PM) Nah. He'll get more than that. yeah you are right, its just that i am not impress with him to justify what it would cost to sign him. Edited November 30, 2015 by LDF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Any AL team that gives Cueto a 6 year/$120 million or more deal is crazy. He's way past his prime, especially if he stays in the AL. Maybe he'd be worth that contract to an NL team, but he was basically like Samardzija in the AL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 30, 2015 -> 02:50 PM) Any AL team that gives Cueto a 6 year/$120 million or more deal is crazy. He's way past his prime, especially if he stays in the AL. Maybe he'd be worth that contract to an NL team, but he was basically like Samardzija in the AL. more like on the sox a good example. Edited November 30, 2015 by LDF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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