BlackSox13 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 21, 2015 -> 11:33 AM) I'd take that deal. I also came across an article about which players the Astros are likely to lose during Rule V draft. Maybe we could grab another one or two to go along with Lowrie (offsets a little cash/can plug in at third or short) in a deal (along with someone protected like Musgrove). http://climbingtalshill.com/2015/11/21/hou...n-rule-v-draft/ Great find! Doubt he will be there when the Sox pick but I'd be all over Applin with his high OBP, base stealing and LHB. I think Lawrie is the 3B Houston would likely want to trade for Robertson due to his salary and contract. He would still be a cheaper option for the Sox at 3B than Freese. Lawrie's contract is unusual in that it's a deflating contract which is rare. I'd take him. Heck, I'd offer Robertson + reliever or EJ for Lawrie/ Musgrove/Applin. Doesn't sound too far off. Edited November 21, 2015 by BlackSox13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coco1997 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 21, 2015 -> 12:14 PM) Great find! Doubt he will be there when the Sox pick but I'd be all over Applin with his high OBP, base stealing and LHB. I think Lawrie is the 3B Houston would likely want to trade for Robertson due to his salary and contract. He would still be a cheaper option for the Sox at 3B than Freese. Lawrie's contract is unusual in that it's a deflating contract which is rare. I'd take him. Heck, I'd offer Robertson + reliever or EJ for Lawrie/ Musgrove/Applin. Doesn't sound too far off. Are you thinking of Brett Lawrie or Jed Lowrie? Lawrie is with Oakland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 QUOTE (coco1997 @ Nov 21, 2015 -> 12:27 PM) Are you thinking of Brett Lawrie or Jed Lowrie? Lawrie is with Oakland. I think he means Lowrie but is typing Lawrie. He has his contract details right anyway haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 QUOTE (coco1997 @ Nov 21, 2015 -> 12:27 PM) Are you thinking of Brett Lawrie or Jed Lowrie? Lawrie is with Oakland. QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 21, 2015 -> 12:31 PM) I think he means Lowrie but is typing Lawrie. He has his contract details right anyway haha Oops. Yep, meant Lowrie lol. For some reason I always confuse the spelling of those two players. DOH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 21, 2015 -> 11:26 AM) Just guessing but I think the Astros would want to relieve some salary in return for taking on Robertson's contract. I suspect either Lawrie or Valbuena would be part of the return for Robertson, which I would be fine with. I'm probably off way base here but I'd shoot for Lawrie or Valbuena + Musgrove. Lowrie and Valbuena (another low OBP player) are filler players. They'll nudge the Sox to 78 wins, although the loss of Robertson would nudge us back down. Rather get a good prospect, preferably one that's close to majors. Edited November 22, 2015 by GreenSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 22, 2015 -> 10:51 AM) Lowrie and Valbuena (another low OBP player) are filler players. They'll nudge the Sox to 78 wins, although the loss of Robertson would nudge us back down. Rather get a good prospect, preferably one that's close to majors. I would rather get a close to MLB ready prospect too but we can't expect much given the amount of money Robertson makes and that there are some cheaper closer options available. I'm not getting my hopes up, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 22, 2015 -> 12:50 PM) I would rather get a close to MLB ready prospect too but we can't expect much given the amount of money Robertson makes and that there are some cheaper closer options available. I'm not getting my hopes up, that's for sure. If you're not going to get a long-term piece back for Robertson, there's no reason to move him. Moving him for a guy who can fill a hole right now makes no sense as it opens up another hole. May as well hold him and see if someone gets more desperate if you can't get something at the minor league or pre-arb level for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 22, 2015 -> 01:11 PM) If you're not going to get a long-term piece back for Robertson, there's no reason to move him. Moving him for a guy who can fill a hole right now makes no sense as it opens up another hole. May as well hold him and see if someone gets more desperate if you can't get something at the minor league or pre-arb level for him. In this particular case, Lowrie would fill the void at 3B and be an upgrade at that position for the Sox. Freeing up Robertson's salary allows the Sox to have more money to fill other positional needs. Houston is leaving a few interesting players unprotected for the rule five draft so they could be a part of the return as well. I'm just saying that I don't see Houston giving up a prospect such as Moran for a costly closer like Robertson. Other pieces besides Lowrie are certainly possible. Imo, I would rather explore a move like this than trading a SP. Sure, trading a SP like Q would net a bigger return but it would open up an even bigger hole and a pitcher of Q's caliper is not so easily replaced. I'm just trying to think of alternative ideas to trading a SP which thankfully the Sox seem reluctant to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Fine with trading him. Just not for mediocre hole-fillers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) No teams bid on Ah-Seop Son. You think the Sox will make a bid on Hwang when he's posted now that he can be. Edited November 24, 2015 by soxfan2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Jed Lowrie traded back to As. Astros and As love that guy. He was superfluous with Astros. Probably trying to free up salary to bring in good 1B. I recommend Adam Laroche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 10:44 AM) Jed Lowrie traded back to As. Astros and As love that guy. He was superfluous with Astros. Probably trying to free up salary to bring in good 1B. I recommend Adam Laroche. I read a fan on another message board say this may mean they dfa Valencia soon. I would scoop him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 The A'a designated AJ Griffin. Wouldn't mind the Sox adding him for some depth if he's healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 01:01 PM) The A'a designated AJ Griffin. Wouldn't mind the Sox adding him for some depth if he's healthy. They released him. He was a home run derby pitcher when he was healthy. I don't think even if he got close to healthy he would work with the White Sox. I also don't think he would be released if he could be close to healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Valencia is kind of a mess defensively but he sure did hit last year. Surprised Toronto just cut him like that. Edited November 25, 2015 by GreenSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 01:52 PM) He's kind of a mess defensively but he sure did hit last year. Surprised Toronto just cut him like that. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 01:54 PM) What? Quoted the wrong person. Meant Valencia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 01:26 PM) They released him. He was a home run derby pitcher when he was healthy. I don't think even if he got close to healthy he would work with the White Sox. I also don't think he would be released if he could be close to healthy. Good catch, I confused him with the Coulombe designation. Good points about Griffin though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whtsoxfan Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Bluejays sign J.A. Happ http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/blue...n-j-a-happ.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 QUOTE (whtsoxfan @ Nov 27, 2015 -> 08:00 PM) Bluejays sign J.A. Happ http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/blue...n-j-a-happ.html ew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 The Jays now have their very own John Danks, for less money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 If you want another piece of evidence that the FA market has become a completely impossible way to build a team, there you have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 27, 2015 -> 10:27 PM) The Jays now have their very own John Danks, for less money. I was thinking the exact same thing. If they blew $36 million on Happ, why didn't they try to save the money and then go after Price? Yes, I realize that $36 and $200+ million are very different contracts, but the Jays already have enough #4-#5 starter types. They need an ace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 28, 2015 -> 10:48 AM) I was thinking the exact same thing. If they blew $36 million on Happ, why didn't they try to save the money and then go after Price? Yes, I realize that $36 and $200+ million are very different contracts, but the Jays already have enough #4-#5 starter types. They need an ace. They really do need an ace and they could have gone after Jordan Zimmermann who should be cheaper than Price. Then again, I don't know much about the Jays finances either. I'm quite surprised they didn't go after Samardzija. Maybe Samardzija's asking price is too much? There's nothing impressive about that rotation when looking beyond Estrada and Stroman. The Jays offense will need to continue mashing to win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 28, 2015 -> 10:48 AM) I was thinking the exact same thing. If they blew $36 million on Happ, why didn't they try to save the money and then go after Price? Yes, I realize that $36 and $200+ million are very different contracts, but the Jays already have enough #4-#5 starter types. They need an ace. I hear that Marcus Stroman kid is pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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