Two poll questions as we enter the offseason

[caulfield12]

This plan would push the White Sox payroll very close to $150 million.

 

Would it even be a competitive roster with clear issues still lingering at 3B, starting catcher, SS, RF, DH and LF defensively, not to mention another LHR?

 

.500ish? 83-85 wins? 85+?

 

 

You could add guys like Fowler/Parra/Austin Jackson but they would cost more than Young/Pearce, and you could add someone like Iwakuma, but that would bump the payroll into the $160-165 range unless they were able to dump LaRoche and/or Danks (obviously neither would be easy).

 

Likewise, Ian Desmond would push you up to that same range and it would probably be a minimum 3 year deal.

 

Essentially, other than a massive payroll hike coming off a lackluster season, the only solution left is trading Quintana, a package of minor leaguers and/or Avi Garcia (also as part of a package).

[Jose Abreu]

I don't get why anyone would want to sign Steve Pearce, Chris Young (OF), or Alex Avila for $5 million a year.

[daggins]

Give me Latos or Fister. Trade EJ for a 3B or SS.

 

I voted payroll at 120-129 and I tend to think lower.

[caulfield12]

As I noted in the offseason thread:

 

These moves would push out EJ, Montas (maybe pen or trade bait) and Webb, and Beck would probably join the trade collection as well.

 

Bringing in Kendrick and keeping Ramirez would push Carlos Sanchez to super-utility or trade bait, and force Micah Johnson into that category since it's his only viable position other than DH.

 

Saladino's status would be up in the air...waiting with Olt and Davidson for other moves to bump them.

 

Thompson's role would be reduced OR they would have to trade Avisail Garcia.

 

 

 

 

[Bigsoxhurt35]

I went $120-129 million and the Latos/Fister deal.

 

 

Hell no on the rest of the deals.

[BlackSox13]

Nice thread.

 

I went with Avila and Alexei as the most plausible options, IMHO. Avila's LHB at catcher makes some sense and for some reason I can see the Sox bringing Alexei back at a reduced salary.

 

As for the others, I just don't see it happening.

 

As for payroll I went with 120-129M.

Edited November 6, 2015 by BlackSox13

[Jose Abreu]

I went with Avila and Alexei as the most plausible options, IMHO. Avila's LHB at catcher makes some sense

He's a LHH who hit .203 vs RHP last year.

[BlackSox13]

He's a LHH who hit .203 vs RHP last year.

With a .355 OBP and 34% CS. I'd take a chance on a two year deal and hope he can hit better.

Edited November 6, 2015 by BlackSox13

[Chicago White Sox]

He's a LHH who hit .203 vs RHP last year.

He's got a career wRC+ against RHP, that's pretty f***ing good.

[caulfield12]

He's got a career wRC+ against RHP, that's pretty f***ing good.

 

How much of that is from his earlier outlier season/s as opposed to 2013-2015?

 

2012-2014, and that's not including his injury-riddled 2015, he's at a 726 OPS vs. righties.

 

So the next question is do you want for Alex Avila with his recent history (including numerous physical problems) to be the primary catcher?

 

He is only 28 now and would be 29 on Opening Day. I'd gamble with that over Flowers, honestly. Plus he has the added motivation of proving the Tigers and his father wrong in their head-to-head match-ups, so there's that.

[Chicago White Sox]

How much of that is from his earlier outlier season/s as opposed to 2013-2015?

 

2012-2014, and that's not including his injury-riddled 2015, he's at a 726 OPS vs. righties.

 

So the next question is do you want for Alex Avila with his recent history (including numerous physical problems) to be the primary catcher?

 

He is only 28 now and would be 29 on Opening Day. I'd gamble with that over Flowers, honestly. Plus he has the added motivation of proving the Tigers and his father wrong in their head-to-head match-ups, so there's that.

He had a wRC+ of 107 or better against RHP each year from 2012 to 2014. I'd call that a pretty solid track record. We all know he had a horrific 2015 and the health problems are a legit concern, but he could be an interesting buy low candidate to pair with Flowers. All depends on the cost and what else is out there at a somewhat reasonable price.

Edited November 6, 2015 by Chicago White Sox

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

As much as I really dislike Latos and his wife as personalities, I think he could be a really solid pick up for a 1-2 year deal. He was a real quality starter for 4 years. He is only 28 years old and Coop has a lot of video to dissect and figure out how to get him back to that form from a couple years ago. I totally think he's worth a flier.

 

Or maybe if not Latos, Ian Kennedy might not be a bad project similar to Latos. Sign him for a 1-year "comeback" type deal.

 

Or Hahn can just pull him dick out at the Winter Meetings again and go sign Jordan Zimmermann out from under everyone while teams are all fighting over Price, Grienke, and Cueto.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Or Rick Hahn can be extra Slick Rick and go throw a 1 yr/$7M deal at Rich Hill. The ghost of Rich Hill emerged for 4 starts at the end of 2015 w/ the Red Sox. He put up a 1.1 WAR with a K/9 over 11 and a BB/9 at 1.55. Dave Cameron said he has absolutely NO IDEA what kind of deal Rich Hill is going to get. Says he has certainly caught interest suddenly, but has no idea if he could get something like 1 yr/$4M or 1 yr/$12M. He says it will be probably get a 1 yr deal, as teams are unsure and Rich Hill wants to prove he's worth more.

[caulfield12]

Denard Span, Asdrubal Cabrera, Rasmus, Byung ho Park, Brett Anderson, Gallardo, Estrada, Freese, Uribe...more names. Austin Jackson, maybe.

 

 

Thought this was funny.

 

In his eight seasons, spanning more than 991 innings, Samardzija has been worth just a couple more WAR than John Lackey was in 2015 alone. He might be the most overrated pitcher in the game, a confounding enigma of superlative stuff, encouraging peripheral stats, and disappointing seasons.

 

On the bright side, it's unlikely that he'll get paid like a top-rotation pitcher, getting a deal more in line with his average career to date, and he still has the electric fastball to dream on. He would have been a disaster of a deal if he were a free agent last year, but he could be a hidden bargain if everyone forgets about him this year.

 

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/11/4/9665970/...-2016-offseason

 

 

[Dunt]

Where did Schoenfield say this?

[OmarComing25]

Where did Schoenfield say this?

Pretty sure it was Dave Cameron who said it.

[shysocks]

All those moves taken together - the way Cameron outlined it - aren't enough and would probably be the wrong way to go. I'd rather the Sox do nothing than pile up a bunch of bargain signings like these. Why sign Chris Young instead of just seeing what you have in Trayce, for example? Chris Young isn't gonna put us over the top. To be fair he was only addressing free agency; possible trades were outside the scope.

 

The one I like most is signing a starting pitcher from that tier, I can see that working out really well for the Sox as either deadline trade bait or a piece for a surprise playoff run.

[Whisox05]

Give me Latos or Fister. Trade EJ for a 3B or SS.

 

I voted payroll at 120-129 and I tend to think lower.

 

I don't think think EJ is going to get you a top 3rd baseman. Also don't know why you would trade him for a shortstop when you only need a stop gap for now.

[YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES!]

All those moves taken together - the way Cameron outlined it - aren't enough and would probably be the wrong way to go. I'd rather the Sox do nothing than pile up a bunch of bargain signings like these. Why sign Chris Young instead of just seeing what you have in Trayce, for example? Chris Young isn't gonna put us over the top. To be fair he was only addressing free agency; possible trades were outside the scope.

 

The one I like most is signing a starting pitcher from that tier, I can see that working out really well for the Sox as either deadline trade bait or a piece for a surprise playoff run.

I thought that he was referring to Chris Young the pitcher, but I could be wrong.

[caulfield12]

If nothing else, this shows there is a pretty high amount of uncertainty about EJ and Montas, combined with our knowledge of Cooper being able to work successfully with quite a few veteran starters (Shark and Paulino obviously went south).

 

Does that also mean we believe a Latos, Fister, Kennedy, Estrada, Gallardo type could much more easily have their value/s maximized by the coaching staff compared to EJ, Montas, Beck, Danish, etc.?

 

It doesn't speak too highly for our confidence level, unless there's an attendant belief Danks will also be gone well before season's end, opening up another spot at the back end OR the assumption of dealing Quintana for offensive help.

[shysocks]

I thought that he was referring to Chris Young the pitcher, but I could be wrong.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-top-50...nt-predictions/

 

...and then I’m also giving them Alex Avila and the outfielding Chris Young on 2/$10M deals to provide some depth that the team lacked a year ago...

 

It's possible they went back and edited to clarify but that's how it reads this morning. The pitching Chris Young would be a similarly confusing signing at that price.

[caulfield12]

Chris Young SHOULD get more than that, the pitcher, that is...

 

If you look at his overall results over the last two years, and in light of his recent versatility demonstrated in the playoffs, he should be worth $15-20 million the next two, if not a bit higher.

 

If I'm KC, you think long and hard about those numbers versus $10 million 2016 option for Kris Medlen and the very really possibility of his breaking down again after two TJ surgeries. Capuano's the only comparison there historically.

 

 

[Kyyle23]

Here caulfield, there is a place you can discuss Royals all day long and nobody will care

 

http://www.scout.com/mlb/royals/forums/205...sas-city-royals

[Dick Allen]

We have to look at the bright side, Dayton Moore is probably the greatest GM who has ever lived. The Royals are probably now the greatest team ever assembled really in any sport. We can cry incompetence with KW and RH, but they are obviously using the Royals blueprint:

 

69-93

75-87

65-97

67-95

71-91

72-90

86-76

 

The records of Dayton Moore generally managed teams before he made the playoffs. I won't count 2006 since he took over halfway through. Sure it was the worst record in the AL, even with the winning season. Sure the Sox will suck so bad for a few more years, but then, if a couple things break right, we will be able to call them one of the greatest franchises in sports, and every move they make will be the model that other teams will follow.

Edited November 6, 2015 by Dick Allen

[caulfield12]

Here caulfield, there is a place you can discuss Royals all day long and nobody will care

 

http://www.scout.com/mlb/royals/forums/205...sas-city-royals

 

 

So basically, if someone mentions Alex Gordon as an option for the White Sox and talks about the likelihood of his staying put, they should also have to go to that website as well?

 

It's not a fair question to wonder what he's worth to either the Royals or the White Sox from the perspective of a veteran stopgap in the rotation?