Y2Jimmy0 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-top-50...nt-predictions/ Cameron has the White Sox bringing back Alexei Ramirez on a 1 year deal for $6 million. He also has them signing Howie Kendrick, Chris Young (OF), Alex Avila, and Mat Latos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 His vision of our OF doesn't make sense. Cabrera/Eaton/Garcia... Thompson and Young? We don't need Chris Young, especially at his suggested price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:30 AM) http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-top-50...nt-predictions/ Cameron has the White Sox bringing back Alexei Ramirez on a 1 year deal for $6 million. He also has them signing Howie Kendrick, Chris Young (OF), Alex Avila, and Mat Latos. Here's the same thing basically from Baseball Prospectus: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....articleid=27844 The writer does his predictions and has a random computer generator as well. The computer has the White Sox signing Justin Upton, Chris Davis, and Howie Kendrick. Okay then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Kendrick would be a nice addition I think. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 05:54 PM) Kendrick would be a nice addition I think. Mark oh yeah ,..... but his result are of the nl i like the tor sp Estrada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I agree on Kendrick. I think it's long-term foolish, but if they truly want to go at it again, upgrading at 2b is easy pickings offensively. I really would like to have us experiment with instead of trying to improve our offense, doing everything possible to help our SP succeed and hope for the best on offense. It didn't work for the mariners, but it increase the value of our SP in a trade and I think would have a greater "lighting strikes" quality to it if some guys have random career years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:57 AM) oh yeah ,..... but his result are of the nl i like the tor sp Estrada But almost all of his numbers were put up playing for the Angels in the AL West... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:30 AM) http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-top-50...nt-predictions/ Cameron has the White Sox bringing back Alexei Ramirez on a 1 year deal for $6 million. He also has them signing Howie Kendrick, Chris Young (OF), Alex Avila, and Mat Latos. The only move I would do is the Alexei deal. Only way I sign Latos is if one of our starting pitchers is traded. The other 3 I have no interest in because of age, fit with the club, or injury prone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:54 AM) Kendrick would be a nice addition I think. Mark Not at $48 million for three years when we already have three young/cheap potential starters at that position. If he was a catcher, younger SS (Desmond), RF/LF or third baseman instead, then it would make a LOT more sense. If JR had the cojones, he would dump LaRoche and sign Chris Davis and pray. But the odds of that happening in the offseason are miniscule. Thus, no Davis. And certainly no $100 million contract for a very good but not great Upton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 11:01 AM) I agree on Kendrick. I think it's long-term foolish, but if they truly want to go at it again, upgrading at 2b is easy pickings offensively. I really would like to have us experiment with instead of trying to improve our offense, doing everything possible to help our SP succeed and hope for the best on offense. It didn't work for the mariners, but it increase the value of our SP in a trade and I think would have a greater "lighting strikes" quality to it if some guys have random career years. Right on with Kendrick. He's a good player but I'm not certain he makes sense for the Sox. That dovetails into the rest of your post too. I've been flip-flopping in my head about all the different directions the team can go this offseason, and at the moment I'm leaning towards keeping it as young as possible. There's no easy path to competitiveness for the Sox. They'll need surprise years out of a lot of people, which is absolutely possible and happens all the time. I think just that's almost as likely to happen if they play a bunch of guys currently in the org who can chase down a ball than if they jack up payroll on players in the mold of what Cameron suggests and trade Quintana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:36 AM) Here's the same thing basically from Baseball Prospectus: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....articleid=27844 The writer does his predictions and has a random computer generator as well. The computer has the White Sox signing Justin Upton, Chris Davis, and Howie Kendrick. Okay then. If the front office could make that dream come true, they could skip Kendrick. Upton and Davis would make the Sox offense formidable enough, that they could live with Sanchez at 2ND, in order to solidify the defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 11:20 AM) If the front office could make that dream come true, they could skip Kendrick. Upton and Davis would make the Sox offense formidable enough, that they could live with Sanchez at 2ND, in order to solidify the defense. Sure, for roughly $200 million...or the current going rate for one of Greinke, Heyward or David Price. And I'm still not sure with how inconsistent Davis has been....along with buying high again. 2014 should scare everyone to death when you talk about the potential biggest contract in Sox history by a decent margin. You get your LH hitter, but which version are we paying for, exactly? Edited November 6, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I kinda hate going after a 2nd basemen with Micah and Sanchez here, but if the Sox are indeed trying to go for it, Kendrick makes a lot of sense. Getting a guy who can get on base at a fairly good rate in the 2 spot could pay dividends to the lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:57 AM) oh yeah ,..... but his result are of the nl i like the tor sp Estrada 9 years in the AL, 1 in the NL. Can we please drop this whole "don't sign NL players because they fail in the AL" crap. It's really tired and not true. Just because it happened a couple teams doesn't mean it will happen to a completely different player who plays a completely different position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 How old is Howie Kendrick? It seems like he was with the Angels forever. This reeks of Orlando Hudson. I'll pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Man both BP and Fangraphs seem to think we have a lot of money to spend. Cameron predicted we would sign Rasmus and Morales last year instead of LaRoche and Melky. Damn, had we done that we might have won the 2nd wildcard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 11:55 AM) Man both BP and Fangraphs seem to think we have a lot of money to spend. Cameron predicted we would sign Rasmus and Morales last year instead of LaRoche and Melky. Damn, had we done that we might have won the 2nd wildcard. He had us getting OF Chris Young last year too, which would also have been a good move. Wonder if he has a source in the front office who likes Young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 ok i am talking about kyle kendricks according to baseball reference he has been a pitcher for phil and then a pitcher for col.... all in the NL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 05:55 PM) Man both BP and Fangraphs seem to think we have a lot of money to spend. Cameron predicted we would sign Rasmus and Morales last year instead of LaRoche and Melky. Damn, had we done that we might have won the 2nd wildcard. that has always been a point of contention on this board, esp with me. so there is this big mystery of how much the sox will spend and how they will address the holes. btw, nice post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 12:04 PM) He had us getting OF Chris Young last year too, which would also have been a good move. Wonder if he has a source in the front office who likes Young. Young was originally a White Sox prospect. He was traded for Javier Vazquez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 12:13 PM) Young was originally a White Sox prospect. He was traded for Javier Vazquez. Sure, but that was a long time ago and it doesn't seem like it'd factor into a guy like Cameron's predictions. It's not like he's picking us to sign Clayton Richard or Michael Morse multiple times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 It was due to all those Phil Rogers articles. Unfortunately it didnt help much with Granderson, Kipnis or Zobrist, three more local products. We did get Shark, though. That was cool until the regular season actually started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 If we were to spend $40 million this off season, we would target at least one higher end player. I still think our big move this winter will be via trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 11:32 AM) Can we please drop this whole "don't sign NL players because they fail in the AL" crap. It's really tired and not true. I've tried to fight this battle before and it was too exhausting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I think most of the free agent predictions are nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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