Terrorist attack in Paris

[StrangeSox]

In Religious Arbitration, Scripture Is the Rule of Law

 

also "Center for Security Policy" isn't exactly an unbiased/sane source.

Edited November 16, 2015 by StrangeSox

[chw42]

There are fundamentalists everywhere, but the problem with Islam is that a not insignificant number of moderate Muslims hold extreme views by our standards.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The sample size in that poll isn't very large at 600 and I'm not sure about the soundness of the methodology behind the poll, but even if the true percentages are half of what the poll says, those are troubling numbers.

 

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/201...-shariah-jihad/

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/1...terrorists.html

 

You should probably read up on that first source you referenced.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy

[bmags]

I'm surprised you even referenced your point and didn't include this weekends poll that only 83% of syrian refugees had a negative view of Daesh.

[StrangeSox]

Do state governors even have the power to do that?

 

No, apparently.

[LittleHurt05]

Interesting breakdown by Deadspin of the decision to NOT evacuate Stade de France, probably saving many lives.

[bmags]

Thank you for linking.

[Jenksismyhero]

Interesting breakdown by Deadspin of the decision to NOT evacuate Stade de France, probably saving many lives.

 

Just standing there, watching soccer, while his country is under attack? That's almost as bad as reading a book to children. #halfserious

[bmags]

What are you talking about? He was moved to the security booth, was on the phone, and as soon as then evacuated him when they were able to.

[Jenksismyhero]

What are you talking about? He was moved to the security booth, was on the phone, and as soon as then evacuated him when they were able to.

 

He's still looking at the game.

[StrangeSox]

But he's not "just standing there, watching soccer," he's in a secured area and in communication with other officials. I didn't even think about Bush and 9/11, but since you brought it up, the reactions are substantially different.

[Kyyle23]

He's still looking at the game.

 

There was no game. Once the stadium shook the players stopped playing. It isn't like he went up to a nicer secure room and they kept playing

[LittleHurt05]

There was no game. Once the stadium shook the players stopped playing. It isn't like he went up to a nicer secure room and they kept playing

 

No, I'm pretty sure they finished the entire match, France won 2-0

[Kyyle23]

No, I'm pretty sure they finished the entire match, France won 2-0

 

Huh, I thought they stopped right then because the next shots I saw were people on the field

[Big Hurtin]

Looks like Anonymous has declared war against ISIS (again.)

https://mobile.twitter.com/pattonoswalt/sta...0644736/photo/1

[pettie4sox]

<!--quoteo(post=3260408:date=Nov 16, 2015 -> 11:43 AM:name=knightni)-->

<!--quotec-->Looks like Anonymous has declared war against ISIS (again.)

https://mobile.twitter.com/pattonoswalt/sta...0644736/photo/1

 

LMAO well played.

[Swingandalongonetoleft]

Interesting breakdown by Deadspin of the decision to NOT evacuate Stade de France, probably saving many lives.

Certainly, it's no consolation to the families of the two stadium victims, but it's good to know that at the very least, things didn't go according to plan for the stadium bombers. I hope they were well aware of that as they departed.

[LittleHurt05]

Huh, I thought they stopped right then because the next shots I saw were people on the field

 

Those shots were people after the game after fully realizing what had happened and not being sure when/how to leave the stadium.

 

 

Meanwhile, the Germany/Netherlands match due to start in an hour was cancelled and the stadium is being evacuated.

[StrangeSox]

Which, sadly, makes sense, at least temporarily. Need to know how reliable the net can actually be.

 

It feels awful because most of these refugees are not only innocents, they are also trying to run from the very violence causing the action. But it seems pretty necessary at this point.

Gov. Jay Inslee: 'Washington welcomes those seeking refuge'

 

“Sadly, in the wake of these attacks, many people channel their fear and anger against ISIS into fear and anger against Muslims,” the governor said in a statement on Monday. “At a time when millions of Syrian families are attempting to flee ISIS and seek refuge in safer parts of the world, including the United States, there are some who say it’s time to close our doors to people whose lives are in peril. I stand firmly with President Obama who said this morning, ‘We do not close our hearts to these victims of such violence and somehow start equating the issue of refugees with the issue of terrorism.'”

 

 

Almost all of the attackers were European nationals who could easily have gone almost anywhere in the world, including the US, on a tourist visa. Actual refugees face much, much more intense screening and scrutiny to come here.

 

[LittleHurt05]

Whoa!

 

DW Sports ‏@dw_sports 14m14 minutes ago

BREAKING: Hanover's chief of police has confirmed to @SkySportNewsHD that there is a serious threat to the city. #GERNED

 

Hanover chief of police: "There were concrete plans to cause an explosion." #GERNED

 

BREAKING: Reports that German police have discovered a truck bomb disguised as an ambulance near football stadium in Hanover. #GERNED

[Jenksismyhero]

Gov. Jay Inslee: 'Washington welcomes those seeking refuge'

 

 

 

 

Almost all of the attackers were European nationals who could easily have gone almost anywhere in the world, including the US, on a tourist visa. Actual refugees face much, much more intense screening and scrutiny to come here.

 

Only takes one.

[StrangeSox]

Only takes one.

Ok but that doesn't really address the point at all! That one can much more easily come from any number of countries that the US routinely issues travel visas for. If ISIS wants to do something in the US, there are much, much easier ways of going about it than trying to get in as a refugee.

[RockRaines]

Ok but that doesn't really address the point at all! That one can much more easily come from any number of countries that the US routinely issues travel visas for. If ISIS wants to do something in the US, there are much, much easier ways of going about it than trying to get in as a refugee.

Much much easier than being allowed to send in a trained solider? Pray tell

[bmags]

If you all are going to be so isolationist about taking the refugee crises that are created by wars, you should all be equally as isolationist about being involved at all in military escalations that create them. You can't spend two decades of this and then say "sorry Germany, your move, we'll be over here across the ocean, make sure to sign on to any future foreign policy we perform, thanks".

[bmags]

Much much easier than being allowed to send in a trained solider? Pray tell

 

They could radicalize a former US or Canadian soldier, and then they could go down the street and buy 500 weapons legally.

[Soxbadger]

Much much easier than being allowed to send in a trained solider? Pray tell

 

Well if you want to get someone into the United States, the easiest way would be to recruit a US citizen and then have them return to the US. The second easiest way would be to recruit someone from a country friendly with the US (Turkey) and have them visit the US with a valid passport issued by Turkey.

 

A refugee would be one of the worst ways to send someone to the US as unlike the other ways they would actually have to apply to the US for that status and thus would be much easier to track/find.

 

Lets just all be thankful terrorists are for the most part not really bright or great at what they do. If they were they could inflict extreme amount of casualties with almost no way to prevent it.