Terrorist attack in Paris

[Swingandalongonetoleft]

I feel really bad for the vast majority of Muslims in America. The moment a terrorist group does something overseas, the right wingers come out and want all of you deported.

This. It's a pretty good indicator that someone subscribing to that mentality is an ugly, ugly person.

 

And on the flip side, it's embarrassing to know that because someone is a White American, they're inevitably being lumped in with the idiot bigots. In both instances, it's a classic case of a few bad apples spoiling it for the whole damn bush.

 

 

[Jerksticks]

We should stop bringing Christians into this country. I mean, with groups like the KKK and LRA out there, who knows what those Christians can do?

From that Christian part of the world where they are cutting off people's heads while simultaneously orchestrating mass terror plots and proclaiming "death to the west"? I agree with you.

[greg775]

I wish when these incidents happen we would all put ourselves in the shoes of the innocent victims to recognize the true horror and how something must be done to stop this s***.

 

You are enjoying a concert on a Friday in France and boom, the doors fling open and assholes with guns start shooting. It is pure terror.

You are at a soccer game on a Friday and you hear BOOM outside the arena. Suicide bomber kills himself. Luckily he didn't make it into the stadium with the bomb attached to him. He had a ticket. He'd have killed himself in the stands causing a sure panic as well as many deaths. This is HORROR.

And somebody in a restaurant in France killing people, as many as he can.

 

HORROR.

I just sense a lot of people don't even care about this stuff. It's an "oh well" attitude. I can pray for the victims and the victims families and I can only hope I'm never sitting somewhere when the maniacs invade with their weapons to kill me.

[StrangeSox]

Yeah, apparently racism is rampant in European soccer.

 

[cabiness42]

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Why does NO ONE say the obvious thing on TV?! It's insane. Don't want terrorism in US? Stop importing Muslims!

 

I'm not worried about something on this scale happening in the US. In a similar concert venue in the US, those terrorists kill at most ten people before concert-goers who are carrying take them out. In Europe, citizens aren't carrying so there's nobody to stop them from shooting the body count up to a hundred.

[Chicago White Sox]

I'm not worried about something on this scale happening in the US. In a similar concert venue in the US, those terrorists kill at most ten people before concert-goers who are carrying take them out. In Europe, citizens aren't carrying so there's nobody to stop them from shooting the body count up to a hundred.

I really hope this a joke.

[MexSoxFan#1]

I'm not worried about something on this scale happening in the US. In a similar concert venue in the US, those terrorists kill at most ten people before concert-goers who are carrying take them out. In Europe, citizens aren't carrying so there's nobody to stop them from shooting the body count up to a hundred.

NSIS

 

But let's take the post at face value.

 

Unless the terrorists are all wearing shirts that clearly identify them as the bad guys (prefrebaly shirts with the words "bad guys"), you most likely will have a scenario where the good guys would be shooting at not only the terrorists but other good guys. Just think about it, you see someone with a gun, how do you know he isn't a terrorist?

 

Cops mistakenly shoot unarmed people all the time, and these are highly trained individuals. Now let's put a dozen or so average armed citizens in a poorly lit concert hall when all hell breaks loose, chaos and confusion, not knowing who is a terrorist and who is just an armed citizen...

 

That's a recipe for a HUGE clusterf***.

 

I'm not anti gun, I've owned handguns before but I know that is a situation I don't ever want to be in, whether I'm carrying or not.

Edited November 15, 2015 by MexSoxFan#1

[cabiness42]

NSIS

 

But let's take the post at face value.

 

Unless the terrorists are all wearing shirts that clearly identify them as the bad guys (prefrebaly shirts with the words "bad guys"), you most likely will have a scenario where the good guys would be shooting at not only the terrorists but other good guys. Just think about it, you see someone with a gun, how do you know he isn't a terrorist?

 

Cops mistakenly shoot unarmed people all the time, and these are highly trained individuals. Now let's put a dozen or so average armed citizens in a poorly lit concert hall when all hell breaks loose, chaos and confusion, not knowing who is a terrorist and who is just an armed citizen...

 

That's a recipe for a HUGE clusterf***.

 

I'm not anti gun, I've owned handguns before but I know that is a situation I don't ever want to be in, whether I'm carrying or not.

 

Terrorists had AK-47s and dressed in all black. Very easy to differentiate between them and the people with the .45s.

 

Also, most gun owners are responsible enough not to shoot across a crowded theater. The ones at close range will take care of it.

[Jenksismyhero]

I'm sure these threats are made frequently and we just don't hear about it as much, but fwiw, ISIS is now threatening to attack DC:

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/16/...H3gbJmgwLlT6.97

Edited November 16, 2015 by Jenksismybitch

[NorthSideSox72]

ISIS wants an Islamaphobic reaction. They want people to create a war on Islam. And they're getting that, to an extent.

 

It is so important that civilized governments, in that region and worldwide, make this about extremism and violence, not a religion. Otherwise, the war is already lost.

[StrangeSox]

something to keep in mind re: Syrian refugees, these are the same ISIS assholes inflicting the same level of carnage as Paris saw and worse on a regular basis that the refugees are fleeing.

[RockRaines]

Terrorists had AK-47s and dressed in all black. Very easy to differentiate between them and the people with the .45s.

 

Also, most gun owners are responsible enough not to shoot across a crowded theater. The ones at close range will take care of it.

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No concert hall is going to let someone in with a firearm. Concealed carry is trumped by state laws allowing venues to ban guns, which is pretty much every single place ever. Concerts and sporting events are some of the most highly regulated. Even law enforcement employees arent allowed to carry into those places.

Edited November 16, 2015 by RockRaines

[knightni]

Looks like Anonymous has declared war against ISIS (again.)

[chw42]

I'm not worried about something on this scale happening in the US. In a similar concert venue in the US, those terrorists kill at most ten people before concert-goers who are carrying take them out. In Europe, citizens aren't carrying so there's nobody to stop them from shooting the body count up to a hundred.

 

Real life is nothing like Call of Duty.

[RockRaines]

Real life is nothing like Call of Duty.

Well unless they had time to leave the venue, go to their car, get their weapon, go back inside and use their one day training class to stalk and kill men armed with AK47's

[chw42]

From that Christian part of the world where they are cutting off people's heads while simultaneously orchestrating mass terror plots and proclaiming "death to the west"? I agree with you.

 

There's a lot of Christian terrorists in Africa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

 

Any religion, when looked at by dumbass fundamentalists, can turn bad.

[bmags]

Semi-related:

 

I find these criticisms of empathy toward paris vs. lack thereof for Kenya/Beirut as cynical as the cynicism they are claiming to be against.

 

What makes for an outpouring of support after Boko Haram kidnaps hundreds of girls in Nigeria, but not equal coverage for Kenya? What makes for this outpouring of support for landslides/tsunami's in haiti/SE asia but other recent landslides in pakistan not as large?

 

What caused the Mumbai massacre to connect so much more?

 

When you look at all of those examples, there is no real connection at all among outpouring of support for one due to geography or peoples. Yet some resonate more. And that really cannot be explained easily through irresponsibility of media (which, tbw, covered Kenya and these same people weren't exactly throwing it up on their time lines) or prejudice.

 

If you truly believed it was an issue, then I think there would be more inspection than just "hey let me compare x to x and that seems off, everyone else is the problem"

[Cknolls]

Did Obama say if this was ISIS' JV squad.......Or are they the ones contained?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 16, 2015 by Cknolls

[StrangeSox]

Looks like Anonymous has declared war against ISIS (again.)

Now ISIS is scared! They saw what Anonymous did to Scientology and the KKK!

[southsider2k5]

Governors in Indiana, Illinois, Michigan and other states are declaring they will not accept any Syrian refugees in the wake of the Paris attacks.

[NorthSideSox72]

Governors in Indiana, Illinois, Michigan and other states are declaring they will not accept any Syrian refugees in the wake of the Paris attacks.

Which, sadly, makes sense, at least temporarily. Need to know how reliable the net can actually be.

 

It feels awful because most of these refugees are not only innocents, they are also trying to run from the very violence causing the action. But it seems pretty necessary at this point.

 

[StrangeSox]

Do state governors even have the power to do that?

 

My understanding is that so far only one of the attackers potentially came in with the wave of Syrian refugees. The rest that have been identified were either French or Belgian nationals.

[BigHurt3515]

I'm sure these threats are made frequently and we just don't hear about it as much, but fwiw, ISIS is now threatening to attack DC:

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/16/...H3gbJmgwLlT6.97

 

Awesome. Will be there Jan 3rd and 4th.

[OmarComing25]

There's a lot of Christian terrorists in Africa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

 

Any religion, when looked at by dumbass fundamentalists, can turn bad.

There are fundamentalists everywhere, but the problem with Islam is that a not insignificant number of moderate Muslims hold extreme views by our standards.

 

Some 27 per cent of British Muslims said they have "some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks" on the Paris magazine, according to polling by ComRes for the BBC.

A further 32 per cent said they were not surprised by the attacks. Some 11 per cent said that magazines which publish images of the Prophet Mohammed "deserve to be attacked."

And only 68 per cent of British Muslims said that attacks on the publishers of images of the Prophet are "never" justified, while 24 disagreed.

 

a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.”

 

Even more troubling, is the fact that nearly a quarter of the Muslims polled believed that, “It is legitimate to use violence to punish those who give offense to Islam by, for example, portraying the prophet Mohammed.”

The sample size in that poll isn't very large at 600 and I'm not sure about the soundness of the methodology behind the poll, but even if the true percentages are half of what the poll says, those are troubling numbers.

 

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/201...-shariah-jihad/

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/1...terrorists.html

 

[bmags]

"a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.”"

 

Is this that different from Jewish populations? It's usually applied in family wealth and contract law, not criminal justice. That's a crucial difference.