Should the White Sox and Rockies talk trade?

[GreenSox]

Dye

Contreras

Loaiza

El Duque

 

There are plenty more heros that can be named, but you are welcome to focus on four that failed over 15 years. It is amusing that you use Davidson as a good thing

Who said I see him as a good thing? I included Davidson for full disclosure.

 

Not one on your list acquired by trading young players (although you could use Garcia for that). They were all acquired on the cheap. And you're going back a decade.

You could add AJ for a clever signing like Dye

I'm all for those.

 

 

But ravaging our farm for the security blanket of yet another low OBP "star" like Frazier or Cargo, no matter how park-inflated they are, is madness.

Edited November 15, 2015 by GreenSox

[GreenSox]

Davidson might not ever play MLB. You are the one Eaton isn't any good. Quentin was good but always hurt and would never play meaningful games if the White Sox did what you want them to do and always trade for prospects and always be in a perpetual rebuild.

I put data out there, not just the data that favors my position. It's called honest debate.

 

Quentin carried us to the division in 2008. He didn't play the last month, but we aren't even in the race but for him.

 

Where did I ever say Eaton wasn't any good? Do you think the people who come up with Q proposals believe Q isn't any good?

I want to trade him because a)I think he is good but I think we can get better value in return; and b)His weakness (or area of mediocrity if you prefer)- lack of OF coverage - really hurts this team in this current OF structure where he is surrounded by 2 defensive oafs.

 

Edited November 15, 2015 by GreenSox

[Dick Allen]

I put data out there, not just the data that favors my position. It's called honest debate.

 

Quentin carried us to the division in 2008. He didn't play the last month, but we aren't even in the race but for him.

 

Where did I ever say Eaton wasn't any good? Do you think the people who come up with Q proposals believe Q isn't any good?

I want to trade him because a)I think he is good but I think we can get better value in return; and b)His weakness (or area of mediocrity if you prefer)- lack of OF coverage - really hurts this team in this current OF structure where he is surrounded by 2 defensive oafs.

You have written time and time again that Eaton isn't as good as his numbers , needs to be traded immediately. Keeping him is hero worship, and the Sox should build around Trayce Thompson who, ironically, isn't as good as his numbers.

 

You really have a bad case of guys making the minimum worship.

Edited November 15, 2015 by Dick Allen

[Bigsoxhurt35]

You have written time and time again that Eatin isn't as good as his numbers and the Sox should build around Trayce Thomps, who, ironically, isn't as good as his numbers.

Giggity

[BlackSox13]

Rockies may hook up with Sox yet: http://blogs.denverpost.com/rockies/2015/1...-pitcher/21156/

 

Mentions specifically prospects, but I could see them parting with young MLB talent as well.

Could be interesting. If they aren't willing to sell much of their farm I think they could have interest in EJ since EJ appears to be MLB ready, comes with years of team control and won't cost them their farm. Not sure if they would be interested in EJ but its an interesting idea.

[OmarComing25]

Edwin Jackson was actually pretty good for us, not sure why he's an example of a veteran failure.

[Kyyle23]

Edwin Jackson was actually pretty good for us, not sure why he's an example of a veteran failure.

 

A hero failure. Not a veteran

[oldsox]

Again, why would the Rockies, or anyone, want LaRoche...

You might be right, it might just be wishful thinking here. But, first base is a hole for them, they think they need help there, he is good defensively. They know without a doubt that Rosario kills them defensively.

 

Why would any team want Jose Reyes at SS for two years?? Yet, there he is. They got him to facilitate getting 3 top pitching prospects from Toronto. La Roche would be more valuable to Rox than to Sox. Plus, they really want to move Cargo. They have some promising young outfielders and they covet Montas.

 

[GreenSox]

You have written time and time again that Eaton isn't as good as his numbers , needs to be traded immediately. Keeping him is hero worship, and the Sox should build around Trayce Thompson who, ironically, isn't as good as his numbers.

 

You really have a bad case of guys making the minimum worship.

Right - just because you aren't as good as the numbers doesn't mean he's bad.

Of course you don't build around Trayce. You build around the pitching and the players Eaton will return. Trayce can cover the position defensively, with his Offense TBD.

 

The Sox need to plug 6 holes with solid major league talent. C, SS, 3B, LF, RF, pen. And the younger the better.

Plug 4 of those and then go get your Cargo or whoever people want to woo over and convince themselves is elite. But don't trade the bullets to plug those holes until the holes are plugged. Build the foundation and then go get the big name.

The Sox farm is just starting to turn the corner. Leave it alone.

 

Or sign FAs.

Sign Upton and Freese; move Avi and Melky out of here. (Colorado should try Avi on a buy low). Shift Eaton to left. Heck of an OF defense that can hit.

Give Atlanta a bag of balls for 1 year of Aybar.

Use Montas in the pen, at least for this year. Pen is improved.

Make a few other small moves.

Edited November 15, 2015 by GreenSox

[SCCWS]

Right - just because you aren't as good as the numbers doesn't mean he's bad.

Of course you don't build around Trayce. You build around the pitching and the players Eaton will return. Trayce can cover the position defensively, with his Offense TBD.

 

The Sox need to plug 6 holes with solid major league talent. C, SS, 3B, LF, RF, pen. And the younger the better.

Plug 4 of those and then go get your Cargo or whoever people want to woo over and convince themselves is elite. But don't trade the bullets to plug those holes until the holes are plugged. Build the foundation and then go get the big name.

The Sox farm is just starting to turn the corner. Leave it alone.

 

Or sign FAs.

Sign Upton and Freese; move Avi and Melky out of here. (Colorado should try Avi on a buy low). Shift Eaton to left. Heck of an OF defense that can hit.

Give Atlanta a bag of balls for 1 year of Aybar.

Use Montas in the pen, at least for this year. Pen is improved.

Make a few other small moves.

 

What kind of return do you think Eaton brings??? I would think he would return 1 MLB ready player and a prospect. But you open up a major hole w CF and leadoff. Assuming Thompson can fill those roles is too much a gamble. Now trading Q or Rodon should bring 2 MLB ready players + prospects.

 

[Bigsoxhurt35]

What kind of return do you think Eaton brings??? I would think he would return 1 MLB ready player and a prospect. But you open up a major hole w CF and leadoff. Assuming Thompson can fill those roles is too much a gamble. Now trading Q or Rodon should bring 2 MLB ready players + prospects.

It's a silly and stupid idea. Eaton is our second best hitter and is a good left handed lead off hitter.

 

Trading him opens up another hole (2 really because now ya need a lead off hitter). We need to ADD hitters not subtract.

Edited November 15, 2015 by SouthSideSale

[GreenSox]

Trading Eaton certainly would create a hole at leadoff.

But it would improve CF.

Outfield D was a big problem with this team last year.

 

As for Eaton's value, you tell me. Let's compare him to his greatness:

Cargo = 2.4 WAR, 2 years of control at a bargain price of $18.5 million per annum

 

Eaton = 3.6 WAR, 6 years of control at around $7 mill per year.

 

 

Heck, if the CW on this board is correct that the the value of Cargo's 2.4 war (plus someone to root for in home run derby) is a multiplie player package of any decent prospect(s) we have except for Fulmer/Anderson, the Eaton return might plug 4 holes

Edited November 16, 2015 by GreenSox

[LDF]

It's a silly and stupid idea. Eaton is our second best hitter and is a good left handed lead off hitter.

 

Trading him opens up another hole (2 really because now ya need a lead off hitter). We need to ADD hitters not subtract.

 

i think there was a better way to have said this or to voice your disagreement.

[LDF]

 

the fascination of getting cargo is beyond me.

 

second, they, Col wants to do a fire sale for prospects, they don't want to trade their prospects.

[Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm]

Eaton seems like he is one of the "young core" guys... which is why they extended him. Trading him would seem to go against what the Sox have stated publically the plan is for building the team. But, stranger things have happened.

[Chicago White Sox]

Trading Eaton certainly would create a hole at leadoff.

But it would improve CF.

Outfield D was a big problem with this team last year.

 

As for Eaton's value, you tell me. Let's compare him to his greatness:

Cargo = 2.4 WAR, 2 years of control at a bargain price of $18.5 million per annum

 

Eaton = 3.6 WAR, 6 years of control at around $7 mill per year.

 

 

Heck, if the CW on this board is correct that the the value of Cargo's 2.4 war (plus someone to root for in home run derby) is a multiplie player package of any decent prospect(s) we have except for Fulmer/Anderson, the Eaton return might plug 4 holes

As usual, the problem with your logic is that prospects more often than not flop. Getting four prospects for Eaton (your hypothetical deal) doesn't mean we just plugged four holes. In fact, the odds are probably better you end up with a goose egg than even plugging two holes. I get why you hate "hero worshipping" so much, you seem to think all prospects are sure things.

Edited November 16, 2015 by Chicago White Sox

[knightni]

Dickerson is damaged goods right now anyway.

 

His plantar faciitis is far from gone. It could torment him for years.

[LDF]

As usual, the problem with your logic is that prospects more often than not flop. Getting four prospects for Eaton (your hypothetical deal) doesn't mean we just plugged four holes. In fact, the odds are probably better you end up with a goose egg than even plugging two holes. I get why you hate "hero worshipping" so much, you seem to think all prospects are sure things.

 

while you make a good point, i am very guilty of trading for prospects.

 

if one prospect pans out and his upside is equal to or greater that the player being traded, the team is ahead.

 

second the trade will be for upper level types of prospects.

 

but yes, you are correct on the failure rate. so here is the question, how to rebuild when the sox org will trading someone for prospects / players???

[harfman77]

the fascination of getting cargo is beyond me.

 

second, they, Col wants to do a fire sale for prospects, they don't want to trade their prospects.

 

Agree, I think that the Sox could get some of the the Rockies veterans that are owed money and perhaps dump a contract like LaRoche's back to offset some of the the money they would take on. The Rockies have a hole at 1B and could use a guy like LaRoche on a one year deal to platoon with Rosario.

 

A deal for Reyes and Blackmon would make sense to me, then you can either pick up a 3B in FA or stick with Saladino for a while to see if there is any value in upgrading the position and find someone to slide in their over the summer.

 

It would also give the team a lot of roster flexibility and increase the level of the defense, yes at the expense of some power.

 

 

SS Reyes

LF Eaton/Thompson

1B Abreu

DH Cabrera

RF Garcia/Thompson

3B Saladino

CF Blackmon/Thompson

2B Sanchez

C Flowers/Brantly

 

No, it is not going to be a team that wins 90 games, but it would be a much more athletic roster and probably a top ten defense in the league, which supports the strength of the current roster.

[knightni]

I don't think that Colorado would be willing to move Blackmon unless it was a huge trade.

[spiderman]

the fascination of getting cargo is beyond me.

 

second, they, Col wants to do a fire sale for prospects, they don't want to trade their prospects.

 

I'm not on this bandwagon, but I do get the point of adding a middle of the lineup hitter. They probably need 2 legitimate middle of the lineup hitters this off-season to go with Abreu. Melky Cabrera could be one of those guys, but he's not a big HR guy which this lineup needs.

[knightni]

I think that there is a huge caveat in trading for Colorado hitters.

 

#1 The Coors Effect is still highly noticeable.

 

#2 NL to AL hitters tend to struggle mightily in the transition.

 

 

[LDF]

I'm not on this bandwagon, but I do get the point of adding a middle of the lineup hitter. They probably need 2 legitimate middle of the lineup hitters this off-season to go with Abreu. Melky Cabrera could be one of those guys, but he's not a big HR guy which this lineup needs.

 

at least 2, you should have a 1b, dh, a 3b at least.

[LDF]

Agree, I think that the Sox could get some of the the Rockies veterans that are owed money and perhaps dump a contract like LaRoche's back to offset some of the the money they would take on. The Rockies have a hole at 1B and could use a guy like LaRoche on a one year deal to platoon with Rosario.

 

A deal for Reyes and Blackmon would make sense to me, then you can either pick up a 3B in FA or stick with Saladino for a while to see if there is any value in upgrading the position and find someone to slide in their over the summer.

 

It would also give the team a lot of roster flexibility and increase the level of the defense, yes at the expense of some power.

 

 

SS Reyes

LF Eaton/Thompson

1B Abreu

DH Cabrera

RF Garcia/Thompson

3B Saladino

CF Blackmon/Thompson

2B Sanchez

C Flowers/Brantly

 

No, it is not going to be a team that wins 90 games, but it would be a much more athletic roster and probably a top ten defense in the league, which supports the strength of the current roster.

 

the one thing about laroche is Col already stated that they also want to shed salary.

 

if posters still hoping to move laroche, then it is Pitts with Pedro Álvarez coming the other way.

 

[spiderman]

at least 2, you should have a 1b, dh, a 3b at least.

 

Problem is, they probably need to rely on bounce back seasons from La Roche / Garcia / Cabrera to address some of the middle of the order issues.