Bob Sacamano Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 10:21 AM) Right handed starters on FA market that would interest me: Kenta Maeda Henderson Alvarez Trevor Cahill Doug Fister Edwin Jackson Mat Latos Tim Lincecum Brandon Morrow A lot of those guys I'd only take on minor league deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 10:25 AM) A lot of those guys I'd only take on minor league deals. All of them will get major league deals except maybe Alvarez because of his injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 10:24 AM) Also Mike leake I see a Samardzija type season if Leake was in the AL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 If we had not decided to go for it this year and hadn't signed Robertson, LaRoche, and Melky, would we have been big players in this FA market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 10:41 AM) If we had not decided to go for it this year and hadn't signed Robertson, LaRoche, and Melky, would we have been big players in this FA market? I think they'd probably go after Heyward since they were interested in him before he was traded to Cardinals and have shown willingness to spend (Tanaka effort). Edited December 6, 2015 by soxfan2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 10:56 AM) I think they'd probably go after Heyward since they were interested in him before he was traded to Cardinals and have shown willingness to spend (Tanaka effort). I think it's possible that the Sox still go after Heyward anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 10:59 AM) I think it's possible that the Sox still go after Heyward anyway. Not sure if they are willing to give up the draft pick for him or any other with qualifying offers attached Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 09:51 AM) Really seems like they don't want to go with Erik Johnson. He's not a Cooper guy. That usually means you hit the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 I still think we could sign one of those OFers. They tried to sign Shark long term, so why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 10:59 AM) I think it's possible that the Sox still go after Heyward anyway. The problem with Heyward is that he's not a great hitter. That's a lot of money for excellent defense and solid, but not great, hitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 11:19 AM) The problem with Heyward is that he's not a great hitter. That's a lot of money for excellent defense and solid, but not great, hitting. It's not "great" but it's very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 I feel like Hayward is going to have a career like Adrian Beltre. Some great offensive years, some .700 -.720 ops years, but always elite defense. Unsure if that's worth 200 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) We'd have to out spend on him though compared to other teams. If it's close between us, Cards and potential other teams coming off good years, we won't even be considered. Edited December 6, 2015 by soxfan2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 11:38 AM) I feel like Hayward is going to have a career like Adrian Beltre. Some great offensive years, some .700 -.720 ops years, but always elite defense. Unsure if that's worth 200 million. I think if we were to get him on an 8/9 year deal with opt-outs after year 4 or 5, his older years won't even matter because he likely won't be our problem. Edited December 6, 2015 by soxfan2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 11:38 AM) I feel like Hayward is going to have a career like Adrian Beltre. Some great offensive years, some .700 -.720 ops years, but always elite defense. Unsure if that's worth 200 million. Agree and it's not. What would Upton cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 12:44 PM) I think if we were to get him on an 8/9 year deal with opt-outd after year 4 or 5, his older years won't even matter because he likely won't be our problem. Ya I agree. He's in a unique position being 26 years old. He'll double dip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 11:46 AM) Ya I agree. He's in a unique position being 26 years old. He'll double dip. Yep. He'll sign a big deal now and then opt out around 30/31 and get another 5/6 year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Yup. So really we'd be signing him to like a 5 year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 11:19 AM) The problem with Heyward is that he's not a great hitter. That's a lot of money for excellent defense and solid, but not great, hitting. A career .784 OPS with elite defense is worth a lot of money. He's consistently been a 3.5+ WAR player, of any free agents in the last couple years, he is definitely one of the most likely to fulfill the value of his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 11:49 AM) Yup. So really we'd be signing him to like a 5 year deal. Only reason why I'm ok with them signing him. I don't really want either Upton or Cespedes (depending on amount of years) personally. Upton just seems like the kind of guy that would come here and just suck. Injury prone, K's a lot, below average defense. Pass. Although if they signed one of those two I would probably be irrationally excited until we found out either were bad deals. Edited December 6, 2015 by soxfan2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 12:00 PM) Only reason why I'm ok with them signing him. I don't really want either Upton or Cespedes (depending on amount of years) personally. Upton just seems like the kind of guy that would come here and just suck. Injury prone, K's a lot, below average defense. Pass. Although if they signed one of those two I would probably be irrationally excited until we found out either were bad deals. I would prefer Cespedes cause he's played an in AL and doesnt have a pick attached Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 01:11 PM) I would prefer Cespedes cause he's played an in AL and doesnt have a pick attached Cespedes over Upton for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 12:00 PM) Only reason why I'm ok with them signing him. I don't really want either Upton or Cespedes (depending on amount of years) personally. Upton just seems like the kind of guy that would come here and just suck. Injury prone, K's a lot, below average defense. Pass. Although if they signed one of those two I would probably be irrationally excited until we found out either were bad deals. I feel the exact same way about Upton. He just seems like Alex Rios part two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Cespedes just had a career year, I'd rather not pay the price tag that comes along with it. Heyward will definitely be worth his contract, defense in general is still very underrated. Preventing a run is the same as generating one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 11:38 AM) I feel like Hayward is going to have a career like Adrian Beltre. Some great offensive years, some .700 -.720 ops years, but always elite defense. Unsure if that's worth 200 million. Since his career year in 2004 with the Dodgers, Beltre has been worth on average 4.5 WAR per season. If Heyward gets 8 years/200 million, $25 million/year for 4.5 WAR/year would be well more than worth the value of that contract, teams would be ecstatic if Heyward had Beltre's career. And again that's not even including his 2004 season where he had 9.7 WAR. Edited December 6, 2015 by OmarComing25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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