White Sox still deciding on what to do

[spiderman]

Sluggers Chris Carter, Pedro Alvarez could help #WhiteSox but not with Adam LaRoche on books for $13 million -- unless Alvarez can play 3B.

 

How does Alvarez grade out defensively at 3B?

[Dick Allen]

How does Alvarez grade out defensively at 3B?

Take Conor Gillaspie and go 2 or 3 levels below.

[BlackSox13]

How does Alvarez grade out defensively at 3B?

Horrible, deplorable, s***ty and over all skid-mark tainted underwear. He's pretty bad.

 

His dWAR last season was -2.3. See for yourself.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/alvarpe01.shtml

 

Alvarez would have Sox fans missing Gillaspie in no time.

[GGajewski18]

Sign C Alex Avila 1 year/2.25 million

Sign C Dioner Navarro 1 year/TBA (3-4 million?)

Sign SP Kenta Maeda 5 years/80 million (includes 20 million posting fee)

 

Resign SP Jacob Turner to a minor league deal

 

Trade 1B Adam LaRoche, SP Frankie Montas, SP Myles Jaye and RF Avisail Garcia to the Rockies for LF Carlos Gonzalez

Trade SP Tyler Danish, SP Erik Johnson, and 3B Trey Michalczewski to the Reds for 3B Todd Frazier

 

Lineup:

CF Adam Eaton (L)

3B Todd Frazier

1B Jose Abreu

LF Carlos Gonzalez (L)

DH Melky Cabrera (S)

RF Trayce Thompson

C Dioner Navarro (S)

SS Tyler Saladino

2B Micah Johnson (L)

 

C Alex Avila (L), 1B/3B Mike Olt, OF J.B Shuck (L), 2B/SS Carlos Sanchez (S)

 

Rotation:

SP Chris Sale (L)

SP Jose Quintana (L)

SP Carlos Rodon (L)

SP Kenta Maeda

SP John Danks (L)

 

RP Jacob Turner (long man)

RP Zach Putnam

RP Jake Petricka

RP Dan Jennings (L)

RP Zach Duke (L)

RP Nate Jones

CP David Robertson

 

Thoughts?

Edited December 3, 2015 by SoxPride18

[Y2Jimmy0]

Nats are trying to trade Yunel Escobar. Is anyone interested? Had a 2 WAR season highlighted by a wRc+ of 120

[LDF]

Horrible, deplorable, s***ty and over all skid-mark tainted underwear. He's pretty bad.

 

His dWAR last season was -2.3. See for yourself.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/alvarpe01.shtml

 

Alvarez would have Sox fans missing Gillaspie in no time.

 

today you are on a roll

 

what you and others have said is true. that was the reason to move him to 1b.

[harfman77]

Sign C Alex Avila 1 year/2.25 million

Sign C Dioner Navarro 1 year/TBA (3-4 million?)

Sign SP Kenta Maeda 5 years/80 million (includes 20 million posting fee)

 

Resign SP Jacob Turner to a minor league deal

 

Trade 1B Adam LaRoche, SP Frankie Montas, SP Myles Jaye and RF Avisail Garcia to the Rockies for LF Carlos Gonzalez

Trade SP Tyler Danish, SP Erik Johnson, and 3B Trey Michalczewski to the Reds for 3B Todd Frazier

 

Lineup:

CF Adam Eaton (L)

3B Todd Frazier

1B Jose Abreu

LF Carlos Gonzalez (L)

DH Melky Cabrera (S)

RF Trayce Thompson

C Dioner Navarro (S)

SS Tyler Saladino

2B Micah Johnson (L)

 

C Alex Avila (L), 1B/3B Mike Olt, OF J.B Shuck (L), 2B/SS Carlos Sanchez (S)

 

Rotation:

SP Chris Sale (L)

SP Jose Quintana (L)

SP Carlos Rodon (L)

SP Kenta Maeda

SP John Danks (L)

 

RP Jacob Turner (long man)

RP Zach Putnam

RP Jake Petricka

RP Dan Jennings (L)

RP Zach Duke (L)

RP Nate Jones

CP David Robertson

 

Thoughts?

 

That would be terrible. Give up too many future pieces to put together a team that will finish at best third in the division and take on way too much salary to be able to spend money to improve the roster or the farm.

 

If you are planning on rolling with a platoon of Avila and Navarro next season you are not planning on building a contender.

 

[TheFutureIsNear]

Sign C Alex Avila 1 year/2.25 million

Sign C Dioner Navarro 1 year/TBA (3-4 million?)

Sign SP Kenta Maeda 5 years/80 million (includes 20 million posting fee)

 

Resign SP Jacob Turner to a minor league deal

 

Trade 1B Adam LaRoche, SP Frankie Montas, SP Myles Jaye and RF Avisail Garcia to the Rockies for LF Carlos Gonzalez

Trade SP Tyler Danish, SP Erik Johnson, and 3B Trey Michalczewski to the Reds for 3B Todd Frazier

 

Lineup:

CF Adam Eaton (L)

3B Todd Frazier

1B Jose Abreu

LF Carlos Gonzalez (L)

DH Melky Cabrera (S)

RF Trayce Thompson

C Dioner Navarro (S)

SS Tyler Saladino

2B Micah Johnson (L)

 

C Alex Avila (L), 1B/3B Mike Olt, OF J.B Shuck (L), 2B/SS Carlos Sanchez (S)

 

Rotation:

SP Chris Sale (L)

SP Jose Quintana (L)

SP Carlos Rodon (L)

SP Kenta Maeda

SP John Danks (L)

 

RP Jacob Turner (long man)

RP Zach Putnam

RP Jake Petricka

RP Dan Jennings (L)

RP Zach Duke (L)

RP Nate Jones

CP David Robertson

 

Thoughts?

 

 

Doubt that package even sniffs Frazier. Reds have no real reason to trade him this offseason in the 1st place, but if they do there will plenty of competition because of the lack of other 3B available.

 

And I still can't understand why people want to give up assets for a guy who isn't very good away from Cors and is owed $20M in '17. No thanks on Cargo unless they are chipping in a good chunk of change for '17 and aren't looking for much in return.

[rowand's rowdies]

Am I crazy to think about buying low on Big Game James Shields? Word is Padres are looking to move him. 3 years $63 Million left.

 

Even crazier, what if instead of lower level prospects or eating $ we just send the Padres back a NL calibur starting pitcher in Johnny Danks and his 1/$13, a 1B rental who can be flipped if he has a decent year in Laroache and his 1/$13.

 

What prospects would it take to make that work?

 

Would cost the Padres an extra $5 million in 2016 but saves them $42 Million between 2017 and 2018.

 

Meanwhile the White Sox can afford that contract for an AL caliber (excluding 2015, I know) pitcher, albeit an aging and declining one.

 

Would give the White Sox time to move Fulmer slowly, not have to depend on Erik Johnson to be more than a #5, and some real SP balance and depth for the next 3 years.

 

Then you can work on the offense, I'm still not for trading Q in that scenario.

 

This is just a fun suggestion, it's the off-season. Have fun with it or ignore it, not meant to be taken too seriously.

Edited December 3, 2015 by rowand's rowdies

[Dunt]

Pre-Winter Meetings mock lineup:

 

-Trade Nate Jones and a low level arm for Yunel Escobar

-Trade Tyler Danish & Avi Garcia for Martin Prado

-Sign Shawn Kelley to a 2 yr, $5 MM deal

 

CF Eaton - 2.2 WAR

3B Prado - 2.0 WAR

1B Abreu - 3.4 WAR

DH LaRoche - -0.1 WAR

LF Cabrera - 1.1 WAR

RF Thompson - 0.7 WAR

C Navarro - 1.1 WAR

SS Escobar - 1.3 WAR

2B Sanchez - 0.3 WAR

 

BE Avila - 1.8 WAR

BE Saladino - 0.6 WAR

BE Shuck - -0.1 WAR

BE M. Johnson - 0.7 WAR

 

SP Sale - 5.9 WAR

SP Quintana - 3.6 WAR

SP Rodon - 2.7 WAR

SP Johnson - 0.5 WAR

SP Danks - 0.8 WAR

 

CL Robertson - 1.1 WAR

SU Kelley - 0.1 WAR

SU Montas - 0.7 WAR

RP Duke - 0.5 WAR

RP Putnam - 0.4 WAR

RP Jennings - 0.2 WAR

RP Kahnle - 0.1 WAR

 

Total WAR would be 31.6. Playoff teams have right around 40 WAR as a team.

Edited December 3, 2015 by Dunt

[OmarComing25]

If you are planning on rolling with a platoon of Avila and Navarro next season you are not planning on building a contender.

Why? Steamer has the Avila/Navarro duo projected for a combined 2.5 WAR next year, which would have been the 9th best WAR from the catching spot in the MLB this season. The vast majority of catchers suck.

[Bigsoxhurt35]

No offense but that lineup still sucks. We need an impact bat and we'll get one hell or high water. My gut says Frazier but my head says CarGo

[Bob Sacamano]

No offense but that lineup still sucks. We need an impact bat and we'll get one hell or high water. My gut says Frazier but my head says CarGo

 

Yeah our middle of the order looks bad.

[Dunt]

No offense but that lineup still sucks. We need an impact bat and we'll get one hell or high water. My gut says Frazier but my head says CarGo

 

I'm not enamored with it by any means, but I don't see the Sox springing for a middle of the order bat if Frazier isn't a target

[Bigsoxhurt35]

I just can't get behind that lineup because it depends on big bounce back years from LaRoche and Melky. Then ya need Trayce to produce or its all gone to s*** again if they all don't produce. I do think LaRoche should bounce back. How well? Not expecting 40 bombs but 25 would be good.

 

 

I really like CarGo because he shouldn't break our system like Frazier would. Montas + would be fine with me.

Edited December 3, 2015 by SouthSideSale

[TheFutureIsNear]

Can Yunel Escobar even play SS anymore? I know he was decent early in his career, but he was the worst defensive SS in the league in '14 and didn't play the positional at all this past year. Not sure he could be penciled in at SS next year unless there was a reason for his really bad D in '14 that I'm not aware of

[LDF]

 

i believe this was mention on a shopping list of some kind for the sox to do or need to address.

 

i like the idea of a closer / rp .... esp with my fiasco this morning on Holland. well in the FA market i have been reading about closer - Steve Cishek. if the cost isn't too much, why not, he is right handed and has had success as a closer... ok last yr was a bad yr... but still.

[Chisoxfn]

i believe this was mention on a shopping list of some kind for the sox to do or need to address.

 

i like the idea of a closer / rp .... esp with my fiasco this morning on Holland. well in the FA market i have been reading about closer - Steve Cishek. if the cost isn't too much, why not, he is right handed and has had success as a closer... ok last yr was a bad yr... but still.

Why do the White Sox need to spend money on a closer?

[LDF]

Why do the White Sox need to spend money on a closer?

 

well somewhere i read mention a pen kind of pitcher. well that can be him, he had a lousy yr the cost factor is the only thing. he has a track record of success, so it is not a player who was plugged off the heap.

[BlackSox13]

I just can't get behind that lineup because it depends on big bounce back years from LaRoche and Melky. Then ya need Trayce to produce or its all gone to s*** again if they all don't produce. I do think LaRoche should bounce back. How well? Not expecting 40 bombs but 25 would be good.

 

 

I really like CarGo because he shouldn't break our system like Frazier would. Montas + would be fine with me.

I was kinda wondering about something along the lines of CarGo for LaRoche/ Montas/ low level ML player.

 

Melky goes to DH, CarGo to LF and Thompson/Avi/Shuck in RF.

[Balta1701]

How does Alvarez grade out defensively at 3B?

 

 

Take Conor Gillaspie and go 2 or 3 levels below.

 

 

Horrible, deplorable, s***ty and over all skid-mark tainted underwear. He's pretty bad.

 

His dWAR last season was -2.3. See for yourself.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/alvarpe01.shtml

 

Alvarez would have Sox fans missing Gillaspie in no time.

it's actually worse than that. During his last season at 3b in 2014, Alvarez developed a case of the "yips". Every time he got an easy ground ball where he had time to think about the throw, he airmailed the throw 20 feet to the right of 1b. A fast play where he didn't have time to think he could still handle, but every easy play went into the stands for about a month before they gave up and stopped playing him there. It's not even a matter of him being bad any more, it's Chuck Knoblauch/Steve Sax syndrome. You literally cannot put him at 3b any more. He will not just be bad, he will lose you every game where there is a ground ball right to him.

[Bigsoxhurt35]

I was kinda wondering about something along the lines of CarGo for LaRoche/ Montas/ low level ML player.

 

Melky goes to DH, CarGo to LF and Thompson/Avi/Shuck in RF.

 

I think we can move LaRoche if we eat some money or all. I want him gone so we can move Melky to DH. Trayce Eaton CarGo. Or any rotation of OFs you want to do. Eaton Trayce CarGo.

[YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES!]

I was kinda wondering about something along the lines of CarGo for LaRoche/ Montas/ low level ML player.

 

Melky goes to DH, CarGo to LF and Thompson/Avi/Shuck in RF.

I like this idea.

 

*slow clap*

[LDF]

I think we can move LaRoche if we eat some money or all. I want him gone so we can move Melky to DH. Trayce Eaton CarGo. Or any rotation of OFs you want to do. Eaton Trayce CarGo.

 

the chance of laroche going to another team is like the chances of RV managing the sox .....

 

seriously i am not being a smartass.

[beautox]

Pre-Winter Meetings mock lineup:

 

-Trade Nate Jones and a low level arm for Yunel Escobar

-Trade Tyler Danish & Avi Garcia for Martin Prado

-Sign Shawn Kelley to a 2 yr, $5 MM deal

 

CF Eaton - 2.2 WAR

3B Prado - 2.0 WAR

1B Abreu - 3.4 WAR

DH LaRoche - -0.1 WAR

LF Cabrera - 1.1 WAR

RF Thompson - 0.7 WAR

C Navarro - 1.1 WAR

SS Escobar - 1.3 WAR

2B Sanchez - 0.3 WAR

 

BE Avila - 1.8 WAR

BE Saladino - 0.6 WAR

BE Shuck - -0.1 WAR

BE M. Johnson - 0.7 WAR

 

SP Sale - 5.9 WAR

SP Quintana - 3.6 WAR

SP Rodon - 2.7 WAR

SP Johnson - 0.5 WAR

SP Danks - 0.8 WAR

 

CL Robertson - 1.1 WAR

SU Kelley - 0.1 WAR

SU Montas - 0.7 WAR

RP Duke - 0.5 WAR

RP Putnam - 0.4 WAR

RP Jennings - 0.2 WAR

RP Kahnle - 0.1 WAR

 

Total WAR would be 31.6. Playoff teams have right around 40 WAR as a team.

 

Not a bad plan, I would like to see Prado and Hwang in that order and I can't imagine it'll cost too much for Prado.

 

I know we're a long shot but the sox can afford Jason Heyward. Sox payroll last year was nearly 119M. Even with the dead money of Bonifacio and Alexei's buy out in addition to LaRoche 16M in total [who i think you could move in a bad contract swap; like Papelbon or move for 8-9M on his contract] if you added in Heyward at 20M a year the payroll increase is only about 3M for this year (still needing to fill 3B & SS) and then it drops back down to 104 going into '17. Looking at the next two free agent classes when it comes to hitters and leaving out Harper, if there were ever a free agent to spend money on its Heyward.