White Sox still deciding on what to do

[professa]

I'm of the opinion that the sox are going to relatively stay pat, not spend a ton of money, and not make any huge trades (NOT what I want them to do, but think what they'll do). Here are my ideas

 

Trade Avi Garcia for Brett Lawrie

Sign Steve Pearce 1 yr 6 M (Good versatility and power, can play the corners, 1st, and 2nd)

Sign Asdrubal Cabrera 2 yr 20 M

Sign Chris Young the pitcher 1 yr 3M (Good insurance for Danks/Johnson and can work outta pen)

 

VS. RHP

1. Eaton CF

2. Asdrubal SS

3. Melky LF

4. Abreu 1B

5. LaRoche DH

6. Lawrie 3B

7. Trayce RF

8. Avila C

9. Sanchez 2B

 

VS. LHP

1. Eaton CF

2. Asdrubal SS

3. Melky DH

4. Abreu 1B

5. Pearce LF

6. Lawrie 3B

7. Trayce RF

8. Flowers C

9. Sanchez 2B

 

Bench

1. Pearce

2. Shuck

3. Flowers

4. Saladino

 

Pitchers

1. Sale

2. Q

3. Rodon

4. Johnson

5. Danks

 

Pen

1. Robertson

2. Jones

3. Duke

4. Putnam

5. Petricka

6. Jennings

7. Young

[SCCWS]

I'm of the opinion that the sox are going to relatively stay pat, not spend a ton of money, and not make any huge trades (NOT what I want them to do, but think what they'll do). Here are my ideas

 

Trade Avi Garcia for Brett Lawrie

Sign Steve Pearce 1 yr 6 M (Good versatility and power, can play the corners, 1st, and 2nd)

Sign Asdrubal Cabrera 2 yr 20 M

Sign Chris Young the pitcher 1 yr 3M (Good insurance for Danks/Johnson and can work outta pen)

 

VS. RHP

1. Eaton CF

2. Asdrubal SS

3. Melky LF

4. Abreu 1B

5. LaRoche DH

6. Lawrie 3B

7. Trayce RF

8. Avila C

9. Sanchez 2B

 

VS. LHP

1. Eaton CF

2. Asdrubal SS

3. Melky DH

4. Abreu 1B

5. Pearce LF

6. Lawrie 3B

7. Trayce RF

8. Flowers C

9. Sanchez 2B

 

Bench

1. Pearce

2. Shuck

3. Flowers

4. Saladino

 

Pitchers

1. Sale

2. Q

3. Rodon

4. Johnson

5. Danks

 

Pen

1. Robertson

2. Jones

3. Duke

4. Putnam

5. Petricka

6. Jennings

7. Young

 

Asdrubal Cabrera is a strikeout machine( not good at the 2 spot) who drove in less runs than Alexei. You want to give him $10 mil a yea???. Steve Pierce hit below .220 and you want to double his salary. He hasn't made 6 Mil in his 9 yr career and you want to give him 6 for 1 year. Are you a relative of his??

[GGajewski18]

Asdrubal Cabrera is a strikeout machine( not good at the 2 spot) who drove in less runs than Alexei. You want to give him $10 mil a yea???. Steve Pierce hit below .220 and you want to double his salary. He hasn't made 6 Mil in his 9 yr career and you want to give him 6 for 1 year. Are you a relative of his??

 

19% K rate for Cabrera isn't bad.

[Hatchetman]

Fangraphs top 30 qualifiers at SS. Cabrera is 28th in defense. Why are you guys trying to kill me?

[Bigsoxhurt35]

I think I had us originally signing him but the more I've looked at him the less impressed I am with him and would just let Saldino play over him.

[BlackSox13]

Article on Justin Upton on ESPN.com today. 5 teams in the running starting with White Sox. Closing comment was something like Sox never punt, so they will do something. Words to that effect.

Here it is.

 

"The White Sox's offense was a disaster in 2015. Despite playing in a good home run park, they ranked last in the American League in runs and last in home runs. Their corner outfielders ranked 23rd in the majors in wOBA, and while they'll hope for a better season from Melky Cabrera, Upton would be a major upgrade over Avisail Garcia in right field. There should be room in the budget, especially when factoring in that John Danks ($15.75 million) and Adam LaRoche ($13 million) come off the payroll after 2016. The White Sox, however, also have holes in the infield that need addressing. The White Sox never punt on a season like other clubs, so we can count on them doing something."

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/i...-end-up-signing

 

I'm guessing Cleveland signs Upton.

Edited November 29, 2015 by BlackSox13

[Bigsoxhurt35]

I wouldn't crush us for signing Upton. We need an impact bat that can hit some bombs behind Abreu. He'd do that.

[Dam8610]

Sign 2B/SS Asdrubal Cabrera 2 years/20 million

 

Trade SP Chris Beck and SP Brandon Brennan to the A's for 3B Brett Lawrie

Trade 1B Adam LaRoche (Balances the money), SP Frankie Montas, SP Myles Jaye, and OF Adam Engel to the Rockies for OF Carlos Gonzalez and 1B Corelle Prime

Trade RF Avisail Garcia to the Phillies for SP Jesse Biddle

Trade RP Zach Putnam and SP Thad Lowry for UTIL Derek Dietrich

 

CF Adam Eaton (L)

2B Asdrubal Cabrera (S)

1B Jose Abreu

LF Carlos Gonzalez (L)

3B Brett Lawrie

DH Melky Cabrera (S)

RF Trayce Thompson

C Alex Avila (L)

SS Tyler Saladino

 

OF J.B Shuck, C Tyler Flowers, 1B/3B Mike Olt, UTIL Derek Dietrich

 

SP Chris Sale (L)

SP Jose Quintana (L)

SP Carlos Rodon (L)

SP Erik Johnson

SP John Danks (L)

 

RP Jacob Turner (long man)

RP Jake Petricka

RP Dan Jennings (L)

RP Tommy Kahnle

RP Zach Duke (L)

RP Nate Jones

CP David Robertson

 

Thoughts?

 

I like this better than anything I've seen this far, but that 7-9 has the potential to be a black hole offensively. Also, since you didn't trade Sanchez or Micah Johnson, I'm confused as to how neither makes the team over Mike Olt.

[Y2Jimmy0]

Here it is.

 

"The White Sox's offense was a disaster in 2015. Despite playing in a good home run park, they ranked last in the American League in runs and last in home runs. Their corner outfielders ranked 23rd in the majors in wOBA, and while they'll hope for a better season from Melky Cabrera, Upton would be a major upgrade over Avisail Garcia in right field. There should be room in the budget, especially when factoring in that John Danks ($15.75 million) and Adam LaRoche ($13 million) come off the payroll after 2016. The White Sox, however, also have holes in the infield that need addressing. The White Sox never punt on a season like other clubs, so we can count on them doing something."

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/i...-end-up-signing

 

I'm guessing Cleveland signs Upton.

 

 

They don't have $100 million.

[LDF]

They don't have $100 million.

 

if you look at this way, it will be a great PR move. great to gets those viewership to look at the team, a marquee player for that elusive 3 yr plan. enuf time for Danks and LaRoche contract to come of the books, at least have a player who can somewhat compete with the northside talent.

 

if you really look beyond my snarky comments, i am some what right. if and i mean if they are aggressive on the trade front and fix the holes. they will need that marquee name, face, personality to help the main core. plus then need some kind of shot in the arm to erase last yr abysmal season.

 

from a side note, any fa signings will go against 2015 profit and lost to off set the gains and helping on next yr profit. it is all paper maneuvering for corp business.

[BlackSox13]

They don't have $100 million.

They meaning the Sox or Tribe? The Tribe can afford 20M annually with less holes to fill than the Sox which is why I think the Tribe signs Upton.

 

if you look at this way, it will be a great PR move. great to gets those viewership to look at the team, a marquee player for that elusive 3 yr plan. enuf time for Danks and LaRoche contract to come of the books, at least have a player who can somewhat compete with the northside talent.

 

if you really look beyond my snarky comments, i am some what right. if and i mean if they are aggressive on the trade front and fix the holes. they will need that marquee name, face, personality to help the main core. plus then need some kind of shot in the arm to erase last yr abysmal season.

 

from a side note, any fa signings will go against 2015 profit and lost to off set the gains and helping on next yr profit. it is all paper maneuvering for corp business.

I'm having a difficult time determining the level of the Sox interest in Upton. The Sox have approximately 20M available to spend so would it be wise to spend it all on one outfielder with holes at 3B and SS yet to be filled? Upton could very well get a 5-6 year contract at 20M per year. The Sox don't strike me as a team to invest 100-120M in one player. I'm kind of leery of Upton's BA and high stike outs along with him costing the Sox a pick in the '16 draft. I kinda like that the Sox have 3 picks in the first two rounds next year.

 

I could be wrong but I'm not so sure Upton is the right move or that the Sox would actually make that kind of commitment.

[Bob Sacamano]

They meaning the Sox or Tribe? The Tribe can afford 20M annually with less holes to fill than the Sox which is why I think the Tribe signs Upton.

 

I really wouldn't mind if he signed with the Indians. Upton seems like the kind of guy who will never live up to a big contract due to his injury history, k-rate and defense. With our luck, he'll be Adam Dunn 3.0. Out of the big 3 outfield targets, he's the one I want the least.

[TheFutureIsNear]

'TheFutureIsNear'

Trade- Q to DBacks for Ender Inciarte, Jake Lamb, Peter O'Brien and Randall Delgado

 

that would be a haul from dbacks, i don't think Tony larussa would allow that to go thru.

 

Trade- Putnam, Lowry, and Beck to Oakland for Brett Lawrie

 

over pay... but i am ok with it.

 

Trade- Avi and Micah to Angels for Nick Tropeano

 

i am not sure of tropeano as a long term sp. i may be wrong on this.

 

 

Sale

Rodon

EJ

Tropeano

Danks

 

 

Obviously don't love weakening the rotation that much, but I think it's a much better team overall and we would still have Montas/Fullmer in the wings if/when Danks can't be productive.

 

overall i like the trade if it can be done. i still would think of adding maybe leake from the FA market for a 2 or 3 yr plan. to rebuild his value. but it is nice writeup.

 

It does seem like a lot from the DBacks, but I don't see those guys as being pieces they necessarilly need. Inciarte belongs in CF but they already have Pollack and have Peralta and Tomas for the corner spots. Brandon Drury is younger and arguably better than Lamb and ready to take over 3B now. O'Brien is slugger being bounced around between C, 1B, RF...aka he's a DH. And Delgado has a nice arm but he's being used in middle relief I think, and they have that kid Bracho up who is their future closer. Of course, LaRussa might laugh at that offer, but it makes sense in my mind lol...

 

And I agree that Trapeano probably doesn't make the most sense, but I had a hard time finding a team in need of young talent like Avi and Micah that had a reasonably priced middle rotation guy. Free agent probably would be smarter.

 

[LDF]

They meaning the Sox or Tribe? The Tribe can afford 20M annually with less holes to fill than the Sox which is why I think the Tribe signs Upton.

 

 

I'm having a difficult time determining the level of the Sox interest in Upton. The Sox have approximately 20M available to spend so would it be wise to spend it all on one outfielder with holes at 3B and SS yet to be filled? Upton could very well get a 5-6 year contract at 20M per year. The Sox don't strike me as a team to invest 100-120M in one player. I'm kind of leery of Upton's BA and high stike outs along with him costing the Sox a pick in the '16 draft. I kinda like that the Sox have 3 picks in the first two rounds next year.

 

I could be wrong but I'm not so sure Upton is the right move or that the Sox would actually make that kind of commitment.

 

you make an interesting counter. trust me on this.

 

now, if needed the sox will pony up when needed. Albert Belle when he was a fa and Jose A. comes to mind. now, they, the sox fo, determine or comes to mind, on competing with the northside on the media and slowly with the fans. now, the sox have 2 dead contracts on their hands, hopefully they will rebound, in danks and laroche. those contracts will come off the books at the end of next yr.

 

now for at least 2 positions, i really can see 2 trades will happen. the salary of the sox right now will be around 90 +/- mil add arb money 100 add 2 new players 110 mil and now add if the sox are lucky in the upton bidding, 20 mil... 130. it is still doable with what the sox have spent or spent close to.

 

now the hitting and or hitting career stats, that is another subject. mccutchen and marte, from pitt and would cost a way less than 1 of upton and the sox can help themselves.

 

 

[LDF]

It does seem like a lot from the DBacks, but I don't see those guys as being pieces they necessarilly need. Inciarte belongs in CF but they already have Pollack and have Peralta and Tomas for the corner spots. Brandon Drury is younger and arguably better than Lamb and ready to take over 3B now. O'Brien is slugger being bounced around between C, 1B, RF...aka he's a DH. And Delgado has a nice arm but he's being used in middle relief I think, and they have that kid Bracho up who is their future closer. Of course, LaRussa might laugh at that offer, but it makes sense in my mind lol...

 

And I agree that Trapeano probably doesn't make the most sense, but I had a hard time finding a team in need of young talent like Avi and Micah that had a reasonably priced middle rotation guy. Free agent probably would be smarter.

 

well i am not talking about the players you mention, i was talking about what the sox will give up. the dbacks can easily using those players in 2 or 3 trades instead of 1.

 

no for the 2nd paragraph, cincy , philly miami teams comes to mind. maybe i may be wrong .

[Whisox05]

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[GGajewski18]

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Interesting. Wonder what direction they're going in. I'm guessing adding payroll.

[Bigsoxhurt35]

They need to add and quite a bit. We're wasting Sale, Q and Abreu.

[Jose Abreu]

Fangraphs top 30 qualifiers at SS. Cabrera is 28th in defense. Why are you guys trying to kill me?

Same goes for Desmond

[daggins]

I think they'll add, but not premium FA. Asdrubal Cabrera, De Aza or Aoki for the OF, Trevor Cahill or Latos, etc. Although that isn't very intriguing, so maybe i'm way off.

[BlackSox13]

I really wouldn't mind if he signed with the Indians. Upton seems like the kind of guy who will never live up to a big contract due to his injury history, k-rate and defense. With our luck, he'll be Adam Dunn 3.0. Out of the big 3 outfield targets, he's the one I want the least.

That's kind of the feeling I'm getting too. I'm just not sold on Upton. I'd rather see the money spent on 3B and SS first and then look to upgrading the outfield, preferably through a trade. I really don't want much to do with the big free agent outfielders.

 

you make an interesting counter. trust me on this.

 

now, if needed the sox will pony up when needed. Albert Belle when he was a fa and Jose A. comes to mind. now, they, the sox fo, determine or comes to mind, on competing with the northside on the media and slowly with the fans. now, the sox have 2 dead contracts on their hands, hopefully they will rebound, in danks and laroche. those contracts will come off the books at the end of next yr.

 

now for at least 2 positions, i really can see 2 trades will happen. the salary of the sox right now will be around 90 +/- mil add arb money 100 add 2 new players 110 mil and now add if the sox are lucky in the upton bidding, 20 mil... 130. it is still doable with what the sox have spent or spent close to.

 

now the hitting and or hitting career stats, that is another subject. mccutchen and marte, from pitt and would cost a way less than 1 of upton and the sox can help themselves.

I agree the Sox can come up with the money for the right player. I just don't think Upton is the right player. I can't believe I'm going to say this but I would rather trade for two years of CarGo than sign Upton for the next 5-6 years and I'm not even a fan of the idea of acquiring CarGo.

[Whisox05]

I think they'll add, but not premium FA. Asdrubal Cabrera, De Aza or Aoki for the OF, Trevor Cahill or Latos, etc. Although that isn't very intriguing, so maybe i'm way off.

 

Cahill is considering the pirates

[Chicago White Sox]

Right or wrong, I still see us making a serious run at Cespedes. Our team desperately needs to add a power hitter to our lineup and he's perhaps the only option available that won't cost us a draft pick or prospects. Plus in a corner spot, he's a significant upgrade over Avi & Melky defensively.

[Bob Sacamano]

Right or wrong, I still see us making a serious run at Cespedes. Our team desperately needs to add a power hitter to our lineup and he's perhaps the only option available that won't cost us a draft pick or prospects. Plus in a corner spot, he's a significant upgrade over Avi & Melky defensively.

 

Agree. Having him hit behind Abreu would be a nice addition. I know people get on him for OBP, but if the guy is hitting 4th, swing the bat and drive in runs.

 

Not saying OBP doesn't matter, but I think it matters more or less depending on the spot in the order.

[Baron]

Interesting. Wonder what direction they're going in. I'm guessing adding payroll.

 

I think that's almost certainly the case. Out of all the options adding and continuing to build makes the most sense. Standing pat made the least sense.