shipps Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 10:40 AM) Great call Dick Allen. I, like fathom, was surprised he was only 28. Hopefully he has a one year show it year like A.J. In 05. Yeah he's younger than Flowers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 .216 average over the last 3 years, but he's been injured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Chuck Garfien @ChuckGarfien 10m10 minutes ago Look beyond Alex Avila's stats. He's more than that. It's a crafty David Ross-type signing. Hahn calls him a "well-respected leader." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Cross Derek Norris off my wish list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 A platoon of 2 pretty useless catchers. That's different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Honestly, after Wieters took the QO, your FA catching market was Chris Iannetta, Geovany Soto, Dioner Navarro, Bryan Pena and Alex Avila https://twitter.com/WriteSox/status/669557890898919426 I wonder with the 1 year deal if they will try for wieters next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Alex Avila fun fact: He was teammates with #WhiteSox David Robertson in college at Alabama in 2006. https://t.co/GTkDvhar07 https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/669558072055103488 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 He's a long way from 2011 when he had a really good year. That's more than Flowers ever did. He's a K machine but he also walks a lot . Pretty sad how you can have one great year then never be able to duplicate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Hard not to like this. He's been hurt, which has kept his price down, but if he can get healthy there's some real upside. Left-handedness hopefully relegates Flowers to Sale + vs. LHP duties, limiting his ABs nicely. A $2.5m gamble when there really wasn't much else available, and what was would cost a ton of talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 10:47 AM) A platoon of 2 pretty useless catchers. That's different. If platooned properly, I think the combo of Flowers and Avila has a shot of putting up a 2.5 to 3.0 fWAR. For a combined $6.5 or so that's not too bad. Flowers has .751 and .732 OPS against LHP the last two years and Avila had a .720 and .767 OPS against RHP in 2014 and 2013 (I'm discounting his 2015 due to injuries but for the record he was .666 in 2015). Avila is a good defensive catcher and Flowers is solid. I would definitely take solid defense and a low .700s OPS from our catchers. I am actually okay with our catching situation now and think it's time to move on to much more pressing needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I have no issue with this move. Think its more likely he outperforms Soto next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 It ultimately comes down to whether or not everyone thinks if Avila is an upgrade over Soto. I think that he is, so I like this move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckweaver Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 11:25 AM) Gross, but at $2.5M, no biggie. Just hate that this likely takes them out of bigger acquisition at C. Never say never! November 20, 1980...Jim Essian signed as a free agent. Four years, $1 million (significant for the day) February 12, 1981...Marc "Booter" Hill as a free agent. ($200,000 in '85...can't find '81 salary) March 18, 1981...Carlton Fisk signed as a free agent. Five years, $2.9 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Well his away splits are terrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 No trade assets and a very small amount of financial assets to create a catching platoon that should, at worst, be league average and should be slightly above it. Now use the bigger assets to fry the bigger fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I hope he's healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 08:56 AM) If platooned properly, I think the combo of Flowers and Avila has a shot of putting up a 2.5 to 3.0 fWAR. For a combined $6.5 or so that's not too bad. Flowers has .751 and .732 OPS against LHP the last two years and Avila had a .720 and .767 OPS against RHP in 2014 and 2013 (I'm discounting his 2015 due to injuries but for the record he was .666 in 2015). Avila is a good defensive catcher and Flowers is solid. I would definitely take solid defense and a low .700s OPS from our catchers. I am actually okay with our catching situation now and think it's time to move on to much more pressing needs. I just don't think tyler flowers is a solid defensive catcher. I think this "framing" stat is way overblown and falsely assumes some sort of presaging of an umpire's call. But that aside, he's not good at balls in the dirt. At all. His lateral movement is terrible and you can bet that if there's a runner on 3rd against the Sox the batter can pretty confidently be sitting fastball with Flowers behind the plate. But if we're just talking Avila vs Soto, then it's really just a wash. Alex hasn't been the same since he started battling concussion symptoms and I'll assume he's going to be banged up by the time he leaves Glendale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 In the current market, this was the best possible move at C. Good platoon partner for Flowers. Need to save money and tradeable resources to address the bigger problems - 3B, SS, RF, maybe 2B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 10:45 AM) Chuck Garfien @ChuckGarfien 10m10 minutes ago Look beyond Alex Avila's stats. He's more than that. It's a crafty David Ross-type signing. Hahn calls him a "well-respected leader." There was nothing crafty about signing David Ross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 10:40 AM) Can't wait for Hawk every game to talk about how beat up Avila gets behind the plate. Only 86 times you have to hear it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 11:18 AM) There was nothing crafty about signing David Ross. yea, that cost them a good young catcher in Wellington Castillo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Good signing if he's healthy--good leadership skills...he's a pro. And yes, if he wants to keep wearing 13, they should let him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Unfortunately I think they got worse at this position. Here's the thing. Who gives a s*** if he's a pro? He couldnt hit away from Detriot last year especially at the Cell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Baron @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 11:36 AM) Unfortunately I think they got worse at this position. Here's the thing. Who gives a s*** if he's a pro? He couldnt hit away from Detriot last year especially at the Cell. He's a part time catcher. It's not a bad signing or something to have a strong opinion on. This place is a f***ing joke anymore. Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Edited November 25, 2015 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 09:38 AM) He's a part time catcher. It's not a bad signing or something to have a strong opinion on. This place is a f***ing joke anymore. Happy Thanksgiving everyone. I think most everyone is on board to the Avila move. Hard not to be at the cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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